HomeMy WebLinkAbout02-20-1991 PC MinutesPLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
City of Orange February 20, 1991
Orange, California Wednesday - 7:00 p.m.
PRESENT: Commissioners Bosch, Cathcart, Master, Murphy, Scott
ABSENT: None
STAFF
PRESENT: Joan Wolff, Sr. Planner and Commission Secretary;
John Godlewski, Administrator of Current Planning;
Bob Herrick, Assistant City Attorney;
Gary Johnson, City Engineer; and
Sue Devlin, Recording Secretary
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
IN RE: MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 4, 1991
Moved by Commissioner Master, seconded by Commissioner
Murphy to approve the Minutes of February 4, 1991 as
recorded.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Cathcart, Master, Murphy
NOES: None
ABSTAINED: Commissioner Scott MOTION CARRIED
Commissioner Scott abstained because he was not present at
said meeting.
IN RE: ITEMS TO BE CONTINUED
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1894-91 AND NEGATIVE DECLARATION
1371-91 - FIRST KOREAN UNITED METHODIST CHURCH OF ORANGE
COUNTY:
Staff received a letter from the applicant noting they
wished to change their plans, but those plans have not been
received. Staff recommends a continuation to March 18,
1991.
Applicant
John Bonilla, Incon Building Systems, 15941 Redhill Avenue
210, Tustin, requested a continuance to March 18 for this
proposal.
The Commission noted the audience's concurrence to continue
this item.
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February 20, 1991 - Page 2
Moved by Commissioner Scott, seconded by Commissioner
Master, to continue Conditional Use Permit 1894-91 and
Negative Declaration 1371-91 to the regularly scheduled
meeting of March 18, 1991.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Cathcart, Master, Murphy, Scott
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
IN RE: CONTINUED HEARING
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1889-91 AND NEGATIVE DECLARATION
1364-91 - STEWART BERKSHIRE:
A request for a density bonus to allow a greater number of
units on site than are permitted under the current General
Plan designation of Low/Medium Density Residential (6-15
units/acre). The site is now occupied by twelve apartments,
and a total of 15 units are proposed. Subject property is
located approximately 400 feet north of Washington Avenue at
the end of Park Lane, addressed 180 South Park Lane.
NOTE: Negative Declaration 1364-91 has been prepared to
assess the environmental impacts of this project.
Ms. Wolff said a letter was received by the Planning
Commission; it had four signatures.
Chris Carnes, Associate Planner, presented additional
information on this item as it was continued from the
January 21 meeting to allow time for staff to review a
revised site plan. Furthermore, it was to allow time for
the City Attorney's office to respond to questions raised
about criteria to approve a conditional use permit to allow
a density bonus. The staff report included a report from
the City Attorney's office clarifying, in his opinion, what
future direction the Commission could take on reviewing the
conditional use permit with a density bonus.
In regards to the revised site plan, the applicant made five
revisions to resolve several concerns raised at the previous
meeting. One was to reduce the size of one of the units
from a 2-bedroom apartment to a 1-bedroom; thereby, reducing
the parking required for the development as a whole by one
space. By doing that, he eliminated one space between the
two proposed buildings. He was able to add additional
landscaping area and create space between the parking spaces
and buildings. He relocated one parking space that was
proposed in the existing lawn area in front of the existing
12-unit building and moved it behind the trash enclosure.
He changed the entry way to the laundry room to open onto
the driveway access so that it could be seen into by persons
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February 20, 1991 - Page 3
using the garages and not be screened off. The revised plan
conforms to the R-3 development standards for unit size,
parking and building setbacks.
The revised plan, in staff's opinion, resolves some of the
minor concerns with access to the parking spaces between the
buildings and improving the security for the laundry room,
but it did not resolve several of the major concerns such as
lack of a continuous and usable open space for the entire
site and the pedestrian access from the end of Park Lane to
the proposed three units.
Applicant
Todd Schooler, Architect, 500 North Newport Boulevard,
Newport Beach, stated they have increased the open space as
best they could. The increase was 455 square feet from the
original proposal. They believe because of the affordable
housing issue that this is a viable solution. One of the
major concerns deals with open space. The original 12-unit
project could not meet the open space requirements and
consequently, they cannot either. They tried to mitigate
the issue by coming up with a different idea by giving the
new units their own private yards. One of the concerns of
the Planning Commission was the sound wall. Their sound
engineer believes it is warranted. The units are staggered
towards the freeway side for proper orientation. It will
help create a sound buffer for an outside space. Also, the
Fire Department's requirement of a fire hydrant was a
concern. They talked with the Fire Department and they've
given them several options for a viable solution.
Between the public hearings, the City Attorney's office has
taken the time to look at low income housing and how the
state law reads in relationship to their proposal. He has
talked with Mr. Herrick and to Linda Wheaton who is directly
responsible for density bonuses within the State Housing
Authority. There is not only an opportunity, but also room
within the guideline to approve this type of project. If
they adhere to the conditions of approval, which are to
allow them to build the project as long as the new units
become affordable housing, it meets the intent of the
guideline.
Because of the parking problems, they chose to meet the
parking requirements and to ask for a concession in terms of
the open space problem. The entire project now conforms to
the parking requirements.
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February 20, 1991 - Page 4
Those speaking in opposition
Bob Peringer, 231 South Park Lane, read a petition which was
submitted to the Commission earlier. He and his neighbors
appreciate the development of the parcel and looks favorably
on the provision of a laundry room for the residents.
However, they expected a total of two additional apartments
with garages and parking stalls. The parking provided is
inadequate for the present tenants and their cars overflow
onto Park Lane. They feel three or more new apartments will
overcrowd that parcel and overburden the small street. One
new apartment should be permitted beyond the one additional
apartment allowed by the lot size for a total of two new
apartments. They also feel 26 garages and parking spaces be
required for the apartments.
Peggy Roberts, 215 South Park Lane, has lived in her triplex
for 30 years and is aware of all the problems in her
neighborhood. The issue of concern is parking and the
safety hazard it creates, especially for children. She is
in f avor of improving the area, bu t not with three
additional units. The apartments will not be desirable
because they are too close to the freeway on ramp. She
asked how high the sound barrier wall would be? (Staff
responded 6 feet.)
Rebuttal
Mr. Schooler realizes the neighbors have problems with
parking and that is why they worked to get the maximum
number of parking spaces. With the parking layout, they now
have turn around so the cars do not need to back out. He
felt the project would help the neighborhood in terms of the
congestion problem of cars and traffic. They intend to
clean up the existing building so that it will look like one
project when completed.
Commissioner Murphy asked if the applicant is now proposing
additional affordable units?
Mr. Schooler responded one of the conditions for approval
was that they make three new units affordable and they
agree.
Chairman Bosch wanted clarification: Even though the
proposed condition indicates that the three new apartments
are to be for lower income tenants per State Health & Safety
Code, currently the existing units are affordable. (All but
one.) How many of the other units will remain affordable?
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February 20, 1991 - Page 5
Mr. Schooler does not anticipate the rent to increase
substantially on any of them.
Chairman Bosch asked if the applicant would be willing to
enter into a recorded condition that would include most of
the units to remain affordable to assure that lower income
housing be maintained?
Mr. Schooler believed this was acceptable in order to get
the project approved.
Commissioner Scott requested information about Linda
Wheaton.
Mr. Schooler stated she works for the Division of Housing
Policy Development, State of California and he provided her
phone number.
The public hearing was closed.
Mr. Herrick addressed the issue of Ms. Wheaton's input. Her
division is not a regulatory agency empowered to enact
regulations under this particular density bonus statute.
The density bonus statute anticipates that the cities will
adopt their own ordinances. Their opinion would be of
informational value, but would not have greater or lesser
legal precedential value than the opinion of any other
attorney.
Commissioner Murphy asked if the Commission had the ability
to put in such a condition as far as some percentage of the
existing housing to remain at affordable rates such that the
intent of the statute is to encourage additional affordable
housing in the area?
Mr. Herrick responded a condition of a conditional use
permit that is agreed to is going to be fairly untouchable.
The City has not adopted ordinances and regulations dealing
with density bonuses. The State statute requires you to
grant density bonuses under certain circumstances. To date,
the City of Orange has not adopted a policy position of its
own with respect to density bonuses over and above that
which is required by State law.
Commissioner Cathcart said he was concerned about the legal
precedent regarding the quality of life for the people in
the neighborhood. There is a parking and traffic problem.
Perhaps three units in that area are too many.
Commissioner Scott said the question is the density bonus --
is the Commission granting a density bonus to clean up an
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February 20, 1991 - Page 6
area? Or can the area be cleaned up in other ways?
Policing of the affordable units would be a burden upon the
City (i.e., submission of accountability of rents on a
monthly basis).
Commissioner Master said this was not a good trade off.
It's a benefit to a couple of citizens who might end up with
affordable units, but the impact would be overpowering.
Chairman Bosch had a couple of technical comments regarding
the conditions. Condition 3 should be amended to include
that 11 of the 12 existing units be included in the
agreement to be rented to lower income hou seholds. The
intent is to increase the stock of affordable housing.
There is affordable housing there now; it appears the only
way to guarantee that the City will have more is if the
existing units be included in the overall agreement.
Condition 7, he presumes the R-11 insulation for exterior
walls is required for sound, but the condition should be
amended to say, "or greater, if required, for conformance
with residential energy conservation standards." Condition
12 worried him as it called for a manually operable damper
between the FAU and the outside or sound attenuating duct.
Maintenance problems or the lack of care of residents could
be a re-circulating air system without designed filtering
air cleansing devices to take care of that. He recommends
the manually operable damper be eliminated. The Fire
Department is requesting that all curbing outlining fire
lane accesses be painted red. It needs to be amended to
indicate that the curbing or the edge of pavement of fire
access lane be painted red and white lettering be placed on
the curbing or edge of fire access lanes. There was an
added condition for consideration at the last hearing
relative to the water easements that would interfere with
the new improvements. He did not see any evidence that the
easements have been abandoned. Therefore, condition 26
should be added: "Prior to granting of a building permit,
applicant must provide City with evidence of recording with
the County Recorder of the abandonment of existing water
easements which would interfere with proposed new
improvements. "
He also shares an
environment of this
bad property values
circulation system.
public health that
satisfactory level on
overwhelming sense of concern about the
site for housing for anybody. It's too
are negatively impacted by the regional
There are specific adverse impacts on
cannot be feasibly mitigated to a
this project.
Planning Commission Minutes
February 20, 1991 - Page 7
Moved by Commissioner Scott, seconded by Commissioner Master
to deny Conditional Use Permit 1894-91 and find that
Negative Declaration 1371-91 to be inadequate for the
reasons stated by the Commission, and the specific
conclusions and recommendations of the Assistant City
Attorney were addressed in his memorandum of February 6,
1991.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Cathcart, Master, Murphy, Scott
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
Ms. Wolff explained the rights of appeal to the applicant.
IN RE: NEW HEARING
ORDINANCE AMENDMENT 2-91 AND NEGATIVE DECLARATION 1372-91 -
CITY OF ORANGE:
An amendment to the zoning ordinance to add provisions
regarding increased fence height in front yard setback areas
in the residential districts.
NOTE: Negative Declaration 1372-91 has been prepared to
assess the environmental impacts of this project.
Ms. Wolff presented the staff report. Staff is introducing
this proposed ordinance amendment primarily because of an
existing code enforcement situation. There have been
several existing fences within the City that have been cited
recently. Staff is proposing in a future zoning ordinance
update to allow non-view obscuring fences in excess of 42
inches within front yard setbacks in the residential
districts. Because this is staff's recommendation on the
upcoming zoning ordinance and because of the timing
involved, they are advancing that portion to the Commission
and Council for their consideration at this time. The
current regulations regarding fences are 42 inch maximum
fence height in any front yard setback area in all the
zoning districts within the City. The proposal is to allow
fences up to six feet in height in residential front yard
setback areas only. This would not include any of the
commercial or industrial districts. The restrictions staff
is proposing to impose is that the fences be non-view
obscuring; that they be decorative or ornamental in design;
and that an administrative adjustment permit be required, to
be approved by the Zoning Administrator, in allowing these
types of fences. The purpose is to allow homeowners a
little bit more flexibility in using their lot area in the
residential zone, but to retain the 42 inch height
limitation in the commercial/industrial districts.
Planning Commission Minutes
February 20, 1991 - Page 8
The public hearing was opened.
Audience Input
Robert Boice, 143 North Pine, suggested this was a bad
proposal to present. They have lived for many years with
the 42 inch limit and he didn't understand the logic behind
making an adjustment to the height merely because of some
reports to Code Enforcement about fences that exceed that
limit. What is an open fence or a non-view obscured fence?
What is the definition for an open fence? What is going to
be the mechanism for enforcement of what is considered to be
an open fence? He felt front yards were a very important
part of one's comfort and life. What about plant material?
Bushes will obscure the open view of the fence. He talked
with the Crime Prevention Bureau and they were not aware of
the public hearing; they were taken back abou t the
possibility of six foot fences in front yard setbacks.
Added crime will result from the six foot fence height; a
concern of the Police Department. By adding to the height,
the City would be creating a major enforcement issue for
Code Enforcement. They only respond on a complaint basis
now. The City is in control of minimum lot sizes and how
buildings are placed on properties. He felt this ordinance
is a mitigation measure for mistakes that have been made in
the past or maybe smaller lot sizes in the future. He
thought the City should be fostering the development of
neighborhood congeniality. Any obstruction that is
encouraged or granted by the City that separates neighbor
from neighbor is not beneficial to the community.
Dan Slater, 278 North Pine, had a problem with the amended
front yard fence ordinance and a problem with the current
ordinance at 3 1/2 feet because there is no review process
or chance for neighbors to give any input into these fences.
The problem is that people don't build fences that match
their homes. Fencing destroys the effect of the street.
What creates value and aesthetic desirability in a
residential neighborhood is conformity and consistency. He
shared some pictures with the Commission -- one showing a
home with a fence over 3 1/2 feet and a car parked on the
front lawn, which is against code. He doesn't want to see
the neighborhoods cluttered by a bunch of fences that don't
belong.
Dave Lucero, 890 North Orange, has a fence over 42". It's
block wall and open with rod iron inbetween. Would he have
to rebuild his fence? The fence has been on the property
for 10 years and he has owned the house for 5 years.
Marcello Vasquez, 196 South James, bought his property a
year ago. The fences were pretty bad so he decided to build
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February 20, 1991 - Page 9
a block fence all the way
arches about six feet across
Some of his neighbors do
fence. He is looking for a
he's right in between the p
of the amended ordinance.
around the house. He has large
towards the front of his house.
not like the way he built his
way to get results out of this;
eople opposed and those in favor
The public hearing was closed.
Ms. Wolff said the reason for the timing of this amendment
is now is because of the Code Enforcement cases. The reason
for the proposal is unrelated to that. Over a year when
staff first drafted the proposed zoning ordinance, it was
part of staff's proposal to allow the 6 foot high non-view
obscuring fences. Simply because Code Enforcement has
brought that issue up now, staff thought it would be helpful
to bring it before the Commission and Council for their
consideration separately from the code update. To answer
the questions, what is non-view obscuring and what is the
mechanism for enforcement of that -- the Zoning
Administrator is empowered to make a decision of what is
non-view obscuring. The verbiage in the code section
relating to the Zoning Administrator specifically states
that safety is a prime concern and visibility between the
property, driveway and public right-of-way is the main
concern. It would have to be a discretionary decision based
on the design and on the visibility that is maintained.
It's very hard to put a precise definition on non-view
obscuring, but there would be review of each and every case.
The mechanism for enforcement is whether or not someone has
a permit for the fence. If there is a permit, it is legal;
if no permit, it is not legal. Without a permit, Code
Enforcement could respond and either require that a permit
be filed or the fence must be taken down. In staff's
opinion, this is a fairly routine type of issue that can be
handled by the Zoning Administrator and it doesn't
necessarily require the same amount of time and
consideration of other public hearing type items. Regarding
the question about hedges -- it would be subject to the same
rules and regulations. A hedge, by definition, is
view-obscuring. Anything in excess of 42 inches would not
be permitted. The Crime Prevention Bureau called Ms. Wolff
after talking with Mr. Boice. After discussing the proposal
in more detail, they seemed to be more satisfied with the
non-view obscuring aspect of the consideration and
permitting process. It is difficult to quantify the
aesthetic issues. Staff feels the decorative requirement
and the discretionary nature of the process does help to
address that issue. Mr. Lucero asked about whether he would
have to rebuild his fence. The proposal is that up to 42
inches be allowed as a solid fence. Anything between 42
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February 20, 1991 - Page 10
inches and six feet could be open. So a combination fence
of open decorative on a base of solid materials would be
permitted provided it complied with the requirements of a
maximum 42 inch height for the solid portion.
Commissioner Cathcart asked when the 42 inch height zoning
requirement become an ordinance? (No one knew.)
Commissioner Scott did not believe the policing action had
been addressed. Some homes do not have setbacks or minimal
setbacks. He is concerned about the safety issue. The
California court yard concept permitted the front yard to
become the patio, as seen in Corona Del Mar, Laguna Beach,
Costa Mesa, etc. There are many questions still needing to
be answered before a decision is made. What are the other
cities in the County permitting?
Commissioner Master can understand on an individual basis
where someone may wish to have a security fence, but in
general he has difficulties with anything over two feet.
Many more conditions must be met before allowing a fence of
six feet (i.e, setback and security).
Commissioner Cathcart said you stifle creativity when you
make blanket statements. He didn't care for the amendment
either. There are situations where a six foot fence is the
best solution. In some cases, no fence is the best
solution. He would hate to see everybody's yard look alike.
He didn't like the ordinance because it makes a blanket
statement.
Commissioner Murphy concurs with what has been said as far
as problems with the ordinance -- stifling creativity or
visual appeal by someone's perspective vs. the betterment of
the City and public safety concerns. He would like to hear
from other local cities of what has transpired and what the
current issues are there.
Commissioner Scott said in many cases the 42 inch wall is
put up defensibly to keep somebody's yard from encroaching
on theirs. Each case has to be looked at individually.
Chairman Bosch said this isn't Newport Beach; it is Orange.
To blanket or even an individual application of this with
extraordinary exceptions to Old Towne or to any existing
residential environment that was planned on development
standards and approvals of Planning Commission and Council,
and put such a radical change potential into effect, is seen
as categorically and absolutely destructive of peoples
lifestyles. The 42 inch high fence has proven to be a good
one. There may be exceptions and those should be brought
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February 20, 1991 - Page 11
forward as variances and see if they stand the test of a
variance. Creativity can work properly within whatever
rules are set. To go over the 42 inches would set a
precedent that would open up free-for-all development in
Orange. From an environmental point of view, the effect of
a six foot fence has not been studied; it would be an impact
creating a whole different sense of the City. It would be
foreign to Orange's way of life.
Moved by Commissioner Master, seconded by Commissioner
Bosch, the Commission determines Negative Declaration
1372-91 to be inadequate. The Commission feels there will
be substantial new construction as a result of the change,
which would have a potential negative impact on surrounding
properties due to a change in the level of safety for
pedestrians and vehicles, a significant change to the
architecturally approved styles of development through
Master Plan or Specific Plan approval and the architectural
Review Board, and through substantial alteration of the
massing and volume of construction to the existing street
scapes.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Cathcart, Master, Murphy, Scott
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
Moved by Commissioner Master, seconded by Commissioner
Murphy, to recommend the City Council to not adopt Ordinance
Amendment 2- 91.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Cathcart, Master, Murphy, Scott
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
For the benefit of the people who are trapped into having a
non-conforming use, they ought to made aware of the variance
procedure available to them.
IN RE: ADJOURNMENT
Moved by Commissioner Scott, seconded by Commissioner
Murphy, to adjourn to a study session to discuss the
revision of the zoning ordinance, Tuesday, February 21,
1991, 8:30 a.m. in the Weimer Room with City Council.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Cathcart, Master, Murphy, Scott
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
The meeting adjourned at 8:30 p.m.
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