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HomeMy WebLinkAbout01-15-1990 PC MinutesPLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES City of Orange January 15, 1990 Orange, California Monday - 7:00 p.m. PRESENT: Commissioners Bosch, Greek, Hart, Master, Scott ABSENT: None STAFF PRESENT: Joan Wolff, Sr. Planner and Commission Secretary; John Godlewski, Administrator of Current Planning; Jack McGee, Director of Community Development; Bob Herrick, Assistant City Attorney; Gary Johnson, City Engineer; and Sue Devlin, Recording Secretary PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN RE: MINUTES OF DECEMBER 27, 1989 AND JANUARY 3, 1990 Moved by Commissioner Scott, seconded by Commissioner Bosch, that the Minutes of December 27, 1989 be approved as recorded, and that the Minutes of January 3, 1990 be approved as corrected: Page 2, last paragraph, 2nd sentence to read: "One of the problems is trying to get a plan." Page 7, last paragraph, 1st and 3rd sentences - change James to William. Page 10, 3rd paragraph, 2nd sentence to read: They agreed that the last condition could include some form...." AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Greek, Hart, Master, Scott NOES: None MOTION CARRIED IN RE: NEW HEARINGS TENTATIVE TRACT MAP 13661 AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1701-88 - IRVINE COMPANY: A proposed revision to conditions of project approval concerning the water supply system. The 386 unit condominium development received approval from the Orange City Council on February 28, 1989. No additional changes to the basic development plan are proposed. Subject property is a parcel of land containing 19.6 acres, located within Santiago Hills southeast of Chapman Avenue and Newport Boulevard, on Lots 16 and 17 of Tract 12417. NOTE: Negative Declaration 1242 was original project. The current conditions is categorically provisions of the California E Act pursuant to Section 15301 Guidelines. prepared for the revision to project exempt from the nvironme ntal Quality of the State Planning Commission Minutes January 15, 1990 - Page 2 Commissioner Bosch was excused from the meeting due to a potential conflict of interest. A staff report was not presented. The public hearing was opened and then closed as the applicant was not present. Moved by Commissioner Scott, seconded by Commissioner Master, that the Planning Commission recommend the City Council to amend Condition #6 of Planning Commission Resolution 70-88 and Condition #9 of Planning Commission Resolution 71-88 as follows: "The water supply system shall be installed as designed by City of Orange Water Department and each building be metered separately unless otherwise approved by the Water Superintendent." AYES:Commissioners NOES:None ABSTAINED:Commissioner ABSENT:Commissioner Hart, Master, Scott Greek Bosch Commissioner Bosch returned to the meeting. IN RE: NEW HEARINGS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1807-89 - JOHN BOLAND: MOTION CARRIED A proposed Conditional Use Permit to allow the construction of an accessory second unit behind an existing single family residence. Subject property is 6,650 square feet in size, and located on the west side of Grand Street, 100 feet south of Collins, addressed 870 North Grand Street. NOTE: This project is categorically exempt from the provisions of the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) per CEQA Guidelines Section 15303. The staff report was presented by Ms. Wolff and the public hearing was opened. Applicant Mr. Boland's architect questioned the findings in the staff report. The property contains several shrubs but not small trees. Several two story homes and apartment structures are located in the neighborhood. He has tried to keep the paving to a minimum and is providing the required parking spaces. The size of the structure is 1,500 square feet because he had to provide a two car garage. His rear yard access is not any different from other residences in the neighborhood. He did not understand the criteria for review of a Conditional Use Permit and if their proposed use is an issue, he would like an explanation. Planning Commission Minutes January 15, 1990 - Page 3 Chairman Hart explained the staff report gives direction to the Planning Commission; it does not affect the applicant. If approved by the Planning Commission and City Council and prior to issuance of building permits, by City Ordinance, the Design Review Board shall review and approve the project's building materials and landscaping plan. Commissioner Greek wanted to know why Mr. Boland wanted to move into the unit? The applicant responded it was a matter of economics. And because he was moving from a larger home to a smaller home, the storage unit was necessary. The public hearing was closed. Commissioner Bosch stated this was the third application they have seen for secondary units. He wanted to be sure of a careful review so as not to negatively affect the surrounding neighborhood. The storage room was a concern as was the paved driveway (too much paving on site). He wanted to be careful not to set a precedent to cause undue traffic. Chairman Hart shared the same concerns and did not want to turn R-1 neighborhoods into R-2 neighborhoods. He felt this project was a drastic change from the existing. There was too much bulk. Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Master, that the Planning Commission recommend the City Council deny Conditional Use Permit 1807-89. Commissioner Greek stated the following reasons for his motion: (1) The second story and building mass proposed would be detrimental to the surrounding area. (2) The parking arrangement creates an inability to turn around and exit the property in a forward direction. (3) The amount of paving and the location of parking imposes on the neighbor to the south. (4) The inclusion of the storage building contributes to the over building of the site. AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Greek, Master, Scott NOES: Commissioner Hart MOTION CARRIED Commissioner Bosch pointed out an alternate site plan would allow for an accessory unit if paving and parking were addressed. The storage building is the main culprit with this project. Ms. Wolff stated an appeal would not be necessary. This item will automatically be heard by the City Council. Planning Commission Minutes January 15, 1990 - Page 4 IN RE: NEW HEARINGS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1809-89 - MEL SHAPIRO: A proposed Conditional Use Permit to allow the operation of a hand wash car wash in the C-1 district. Subject property is located on the northeast corner of Lincoln Avenue and Glassell Street, addressed 105 East Lincoln Avenue. NOTE: Negative Declaration 1327-89 has been prepared for this project. A staff report was not presented and the public hearing was opened. Applicant Craig Richie, 1348 Littleton Circle, Costa Mesa, felt the project me t the requirements and conditions of the surrounding land use. They worked with staff on the design and layou t of the car wash. They did not have a problem with the conditions of approval. Commissioner Bosch asked the applicant to explain the driveway pattern and where the stacking would occur, to which he responded. Commissioner Bosch also noted in the staff report there was a concern abou t the potential noise impacts to surrounding properties and asked about it's mitigation. Mr. Richie said they had a noise representative present to answer questions. Their car wash was different from ordinary car washes and the noise impacts are easy to mitigate. Guy Bailey, 395 Loretta Drive, explained how they were going to mitigate the noise impacts. There was a storage area where equipment would be stored. Blowers would be closest to Lincoln. Sound tests were conducted and he shared those findings with the Commission. Dr. Henry Schmitz, 30240 Rancho Viejo #B, San Juan Capistrano, submitted a report to the Commission consisting of the noise level created by the equipment and the impact it would cause to the surrounding neighborhood. There would be an acoustic impact to the neighboring pre-school; however, it could be mitigated by raising the wall to six feet. The noise level of traffic will exceed the equipment's noise level. A study was conducted at the Planning Commission Minutes January 15, 1990 - Page 5 Beacon Car Wash in Mission Viejo and it was determined no impacts were made to the apartments or businesses adjacent to that use. Commissioner Greek asked where the blower was going to be located as it was not shown on the plot plan. Dr. Schmitz said it was shown on Page 3 of his report, and he outlined it for the Commissioners. Commissioner Greek was concerned about the accumulative effect of the noise impact. Dr. Schmitz said the data he presented was very clear. It is not going to be audible nor reach buildings 40 feet away. The noise will not exceed the existing traffic levels nor be any more disturbing than that of traffic. Commissioner Master asked about the blower's elevation? He wanted to know if a six foot wall would be high enough to block out sound? Dr. Schmitz responded the blower is suspended and comes down and hugs the car like a large tent. He talked about the necessary acoustics and sound walls. Those speaking in opposition The Director of June Bug Preschool, 2829 North Glassell, was concerned about the workers and the type of people working at a car wash as she was responsible for the children attending the preschool. It was suggested she talk with the developer and express her concerns to him so that they could work out a solution. The public hearing was closed. Commissioner Greek had problems with the circulation on site. It was an awkward layout and does not flow well. The area is too congested. He wanted to see a sketch or picture of the dryer facility. A different traffic pattern was needed. Commissioner Bosch shared the concern about circulation and felt the blower's impact would cause additional problems. He had a problem with the potential traffic crossover on site, where cars entering and cars exiting would cross paths. This could create an unsafe situation with relationship to cars blocking traffic on the public street, while waiting to enter the site. The driveways are very Planning Commission Minutes January 15, 1990 - Page 6 close to the intersection, which could also create a hazardous situation. Chairman Hart asked if a continuance would be in order. Mr. Richie studies several ways for a site layout; Traffic also did different layout proposals for them and this is the only way it would work; a reverse plan would not work. Mel Shapiro, 1929 Woodward Lane, Huntington Beach, leases the property. He knows from experience traffic flow will work under the current layout. Commissioner Bosch stated there could be terrible problems and suggested this was not an appropriate site. Traffic congestion will be a hazard. It was determined that the plans before the Commission were not the plans being discussed. Mr. Bailey demonstrated the traffic circulation on the exhibit map to clarify the confusion. Different alternatives were discussed. The applicant was willing to accept a continuance. Ms. Wolff said new plans needed to be submitted no later than January 26, 1990 for a continued hearing on February 21. Moved by Commissioner Master, seconded by Commissioner Scott, that the Planning Commission continue Conditional Use Permit 1809-99 to February 21, 1990. AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Greek, Hart, Master, Scott NOES: None MOTION CARRIED IN RE: ADJOURNMENT Moved by Commissioner Master, seconded by Commissioner Bosch, that the Planning Commission adjourn to a joint City Council/Planning Commission Meeting to discuss high rise development on Wednesday, January 17, 1990, at 4:00 p.m. in the Weimer Room; then to adjourn to the next regular meeting of February 5, 1990. AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Greek, Hart, Master, Scott NOES: None MOTION CARRIED The meeting adjourned at 8:30 p.m. sl d