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Home My WebLink About09-13-2000 - Minutes TC � � C 1 TY O F O RA N G E �;�;;� �::�� :.::�:;��.:...:�:,:::�::::� CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION �� Minutes of a Regular Meeting: September 13, 2000 I. OPENIIVG Ae �lag Pledge B. Roil Call: Present�Commissioners: J. Fortier, F.Petronella,W. Poutsma F.Sciarra Present-Staff: - H.Bahadori, C.Glass, Sgt. B. Green, D.Allenbach, P.Then Absent—Commissioners: J. Fortier Absent—Staff: W.Winthers � C. Approval of Minutes: August 9, 2000�Approved as published by the Recording Secretary. MOTION: F. Sciarra SECONDo F. Petronella AYES: Unanimous II. CONSENT CALENDAR 1 o Request for the removal of "BUS PARKING ONLY" signs on the north side of Palm Ave. wester{y of Main St. and the instaltation of red curb markings on the inside�portion of the turn at Palm Ave. westerly of Nlain Sto ° Malinda Ortiz, Principal Sycamore Elementary School 340 N. Main St. Orange CA 92868 Ora!presentation is based on the wr°rtten sfaff report;please refer to your copy. There was no discussion on fhis item. ACTION: A. Approve the removal of the"BUS PARKING ONLY"signs; Be Approve the installation of 52 ft. of red curb markings on the inside portion of the Palm Ave.turn. IVIOTION: W. Poutsma SECONDo F. Sciarra AYES: Unanimous Tape#CTC-20.07 of this City Traf�c Commission meeting is available for your review. ,�, Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regdrd,advance notice is appreciated. , �e � �Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Tra�c Commission—September 13,2000 Pg.2 2. Request for the installation of red curb markings on Marmon Ave. for the driveway servicing the ° residential property at 260 S. Earlham St. Trinidad Sepulveda 260�. Earlham St. � Orange CA 92869 Oral presentation is based on fhe written staff report;please refer to your copy. There was no discussion of this requesf: ACTION: Approve the installation of 74 ft. of red curb on Marmon Ave.westerly of Earlham St MOTION: W. Poutsma SECOND: F. Sciarra AYES: Unanimous . � End of Consent Calendar � III. CONSIDERATION ITEMS A, Request for the installation of a temporary "All-Way" STOP control device at the intersection of Walnut Ave. and Grand St. John Biggs, Project Manager � Arnel Development c%Chapman University . 1 University Dr. Orange CA 92866 Oral presentation is based on the wriften staff report;please refer to your copy. Chairman Fortier opened fhe public hearing for the following discussions: John Biqqs, Chapman Universitv - 1 University Dr. — We are prepared to reimburse the City for all installation/removal costs associated with the STOP sign. Chairman Fortier—You stated that this location doesn't meet the warrants based on traffic volumes, does the construction at this location make this situation so dangerous we should disregard the warrants? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst— In this particular case there are a lot of students who use the Center St. intersection to cross from the dorms to the campus. If this is closed to them it is logical to assume that they are going to proceed west over to Grand St., this would provide a control point. It's � always better for the motorists to have pedestrians crossing at a singular point, particularly to have them cross at an intersection, which is where motorists expect pedestrian crossing activity to occur. In that respect this STOP would provide.better pedestrian crossing than if we feave it as a 1-Way STOP. We . have approximately 5,000 vehicfes per day on Walnut. There is a 4-Way STOP at Shaffer St. and Center �t., and a traffic signal at Glassell St. By putting in a 4-Way STOP at this location would have 4 STOP's within a quarter mile, so traffic would have a lot of stops. Previously we had a STOP sign at this location during a consfruction project in the area which worked reasonably well. Tape#CTC-20.07 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. � Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714)744-5536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. — �Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission—September 13,2000 Pg.3 Chairman Fortier— I have a concern with temporary STOP signs. Isn't it a fact that if we remove a STOP sign pedestrians seem to forget it has been removed and walk out into traffic? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst—Yes, it has been our policy over the last several years that we don't paint crosswalks unless we have some kind of control because the pedestrian tends to think they are safe when really all they are doing is entering the street between finro stripes of paint. Crosswalks are designed to provide a logical extension of sidewalk to get a pedestrian from one side of the street to the other, they are not considered a safety device. What makes them safer is to have some kind of positive traffic control such as a traffic signal or a STOP sign. Pedestrians do become accustomed to them being there and our concern has been that when we remove the STOP sign motorists exiting Grand St. at Walnut Ave. are used to cross-traffic stopping for them, once we have removed the STOP sign they won't. We can notify motorists as best we can by placing signs in the parkway area advising of the removal of the STOP sign. We intend to remove any striping with sandblasting instead of just blacking them out with � paint so it will be obvious the STOP sign has been removed. Chairman Fortier—Within this quarter mile area are there several pedestrian crossing locations? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — Yes, although there is not a painted crosswalk at the subject intersection a crosswalk is implied. A pedestrian is allowed to cross the street whether there is a painted crosswalk or not. Pedestrians may also cross at Orange St. Chairman Fortier— I, myself have a problem with this request, temporary STOP's cause problems. These� are adults, not elementary school age children, I would look at that a little differently. John Biqgs,Arnel Development— I understand the circumstances surrounding temporary STOP's and the long term problem, but the fact that there is an intersection and if there isn't a painted crosswalk, cars proceed on. ft's unsafe for the students to cross and whether they are adults or not they aren't getting across the street in a safe manner,we feel that in this interim period as we have to move traffic along from the construction deliveries that safety will be issue if we don't have this temporary STOP. Commissioner Petronetla—How long to you anticipate this temporary crossing will exist? John Biqqs—We should be complete and ready for occupancy by July 2001. Joe Kertes, Chapman University— I'm the Vice-President and Dean of Students at Chapman. If it was compelling enough in 1991 when we had 600 students living in our dorms to instafl the STOP sign and crosswalk at the same location, and we now have 1,200 students living in housing, 1 think this makes the situation much more compeHing. We are concerned about the liability that the situation presents to our students and we want to be sure they have as safe a passage as we can provide during this construction. ACTIOIV: Approve the installation of a temporary"All-Way"STOP control device at the intersection of Walnut Ave. and Grand St. MOTION: W. Poutsma SECOND: F. Petronella AYES: W. Poutsma, F. Petronella NOES: J. Fortier ABSTAIN: F. Sciarra Chairman Fortier—We would like a check from Chapman University for$2,700.00 before we can proceed vvith the installation of these devices. � � End of Consideration Items � Tape#CTC-20.07 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review: � Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714)744-5536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. �Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission—September 13,2000' pg 4 IV. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS Nothing to report. �/. ORAL PRESENTATIONS PUBLIC PARTICIPATION —At the conclusion of the meeting of items listed on this Agenda, members of the public may address the City Traffic Commission on matters not on the Agenda, that are within the subject jurisdiction of the City Traffic Commission. � �%�,��%�%��,�,.�,.��.�,�,�,�,�%�,.�/�,.�,,��%��,�,��,��,�,.��.�,�%�%��.�%�,��.�,��,��,��.�,�,,�,.��.�,�,.�,�,.�,.�,.�/.�,��,�,.��%�,�,,�,.�,��,��.��.�,.��.�,�,.��.��,��,,�,,��,��,.�,�,��;.�%��.��.�,,�,,�� . � Open discussion of items not previously discussed on the Agenda. Time limit is three(3)minutes er s eaker. � P P t �. � ��.�/�%��.��.��.��.��,��.��.��,��,��.��,��.��.��,��.��,��,��.��.��.��.��.��,��.��,��.��.��,�..��,��%��.��.��.��.��.��%��.��.��%�%��,�%��.��/.��.��,��.��.��.��,��.��.�..��.��.� None this month. VI. ADJOURNMENT o After discussion of today's Agenda items of the City Traffic Commission was concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral Presentations, the Chairman adjourned this session of the City TrafFic . Commission at 3:55 p.m. � The next scheduled meeting of the City Traffic Commission will be Wednesday—November 8, 2000. Respectfully submitted, GITY OF ORANGE Phyllis Then Recording Secretary Traffic Engineering Division � CITY OF ORANGE . DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS - TRAFFIC ENGINEERING DIVISION 300�E.CHAPMAN AVE. ORANGE CA 92866 PH: (714)744-5536 . �F�vc: (714)744-6�61 � � -MINUTES-SEPTEMBER [DISK#20/THENP] • Tape#CTC-20.07 of this City Tra�c Commission meeting is available for your review. � Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714)744-5536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. �� Printed on Recycled Paper