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HomeMy WebLinkAbout06-14-2000 - Minutes TC . � CITY QF ORANGE `������� CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION .���r��� Minutes of a Regular Meeting: lune 14, 2000 I. OPENING A. Flag Pledge B, Roll Call: � Present- Commissioners: D.Yarger,J.Fortier, F.Petronella, W.Poutsma, F.Sciarra Present-Staff: - H.Bahadori, W.Winthers, Sgt. B.Green, C.Gfass, D.Allenbach, P.Then C. Approval of Minutes: . May 10, 2000 —Approve as published by Recording Secretary. MOTION: F: Sciarra SECON D: W. Petronel la AYES: Unanimous Ila CONSENT CALENDAR Ae Request for the installation of an additional 60 ft. of red curb markings on the north side of the driveway at 620 S. Glassell St: Elmer Tayfor � 928 N. Cleveland St. . Orange CA 92867 _ Oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. There was no discussion of this item. � ACTION: Approve the request for the installation of an additional 60 ft. of red curb markings on the north side of the driveway at 620 S. Glassell St. MOTION: D. Yarger SECON D: F. Sciarra � AYES: U nan i mous Tape#CTC-20.05 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. � Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. _ �y �1�Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission—June 14,2000 Page 2 B. Request for the installation of red curb markings on the southeast corner of Denise Ave. and Santiago Blvd., in front of 2401 N. Santiago Blvd. Albert Wong 2402 E. Orangeview Ln. Orange CA 92867-1824 Oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. Chairman Yarger opened the pubic hearing for the following discussion: Albert Won�, 2402 E. Oran�eview Ln — I'm proposing that the City install this red curb on Denise and Santiago because I feel that turn is unsafe when the car come down from Denise they could not see me coming because Denise is not a straight street, there are turns, when cars are coming down the street they are going fast and � they drive in the middle of the road and they said they could not see me when i made the turn onto Denise. Chairrnan Yarger c/osed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion: Chairrnan Yarger— How wide is the street here? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — The street is a standard 36 ft. wide residential street. The area we are examining here is 81 ft. long from the back of the curb return at Santiago and Denise east to the alley that runs in back of the first residence at 2401 No Santiago Blvd. There is room for 4-5 vehicles to legally park on the street at the present ti meo � Commissioner Fortier — As I look at this I don't see a problem with cars being parked here and obstructing the motorist vision from Denise onto Santiago Blvd. to make fihis turno In staff's opinion is there a sight distance problem here? Dave Allenbach — This is a typical residential intersection it isn't any different from any other residenfiial street in the City, fihere is adequate sight distance. I think at issue here is that there was a large vehicle parked here for a short period of time thafi is now gone. We have been out at this location several times since receiving the request we did observe the motorhome parked there for a shorfi period of time, it has been removed for a few weeks, there has been a small vehicle parked there but not right at the curb return and in our opinion as long as this is in effect someone could make a right turn from Santiago Blvd. onfio Denise Ave. safely and avoid having a side-swipe type accident with a vehicle parked on the side of the Tape#CTC-20.05 of this Cify Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. � Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. — �y �I�Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission—)une 14,2000 . Page 3 � street and possibfy avoid a head-on. accident coming in the opposite direction on Denise Ave. Commissioner Sciarra — It appears that with the elimination of that one large vehicle . that there really isn't a sight distance problem here. Chairman Yarger — I don't think so either and resident who (ives at that property since there is no sight distance problem I feel that he has the right to request that there be no red curb in front of his residence. ACTION: Deny the request for the installation of red curb markings on the southeast corner of Denise Ave. and Santiago Blvd. MOTION: D. Yarger SECOND: J. Fortier AYES: U nan i mous . I11. CONSIDERATION ITEMS � Ao Request to remove the yellow curb markings on Parker St. south of Chapman Ave. . adjacent to 642 W. Chapman Ave. Jesse Martinez 1350-M W. Collins Ave. � Orange CA 92867 . Oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. Chairman Yarger opened the pubic hearing for the following discussion:. Lee Roberts, 642 W. Chapman Ave. — This building is. located on the .corner of Chapman Ave. and Parker St. I oppose the removal of the yellow curb markings . because that is the only area of no parking in that section of Parker St. The opposing east side of Parker already allows free parking. The Texaco Gas Station parking area and their driveway dumps onto Parker and allows ingress/egress which � means that if we allow parking on both sides of Parker St. a large vehicle would try to get .in or out that Texaco Station driveway it's going to pose a problem (shows photographs of parking along Parker St. in the study area). At the end of the yellow � zone the east-west alleyway that runs behind fihe 642 building dumps onto Parker meaning everyone who uses that alley would turn onto Parker would be faced with vehicles on both sides of the roadway that they would have to contend with from a , visibility problem as well as a turning maneuver. Tape#CTC-20.05 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. � Please contact the Recorcling Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. — �s �■h�Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission—)une 14,2000 Page 4 I came up and checked the complainant being concerned fihat there is always plenty of parking here, I'm there 7 days a week, day and night, and that street is wide open as you can see from my photographs that I took at several different times during the dayo What I found was that the person making the complaint has a single=family one story residence that has four-(4) single-car garages behind it and about a 50 ft. driveway. I couldn't understand why anyone living there would have a parking problem. I'm also concerned that this would impact deliveries to our building in that the only place to park and make a delivery if the yellow zone were removed would be from the parking lot, and even USP with their big truck if there is a number of cars in the parking lot has a hard time turning around. If we get a larger truck to make an office supply delivery or delivery to the antique store, they would have to park on Parker St. or stop on Chapman Ave. to unload. . Commissioner Fortier — Yellow curb is installed for a purpose, it's usually adjacent to a cargo loading bay or something and at one time there was a bay door in fihat building. � � Lee Roberts — I have never seen any evidence of a bay door. As there are 3 businesses in this building the only way to make a delivery would be to pull into the parki ng lot and if you have customers i n the lot the del ivery trucks would have trouble turning around. As we front Chapman which doesn't allow parking and there is no parking on the other side of our building you have to go up another block to find another parking space and most people won't do thate Chai rman Yar�er — How many del iveries you have a day? Lee Roberts — From none to three. Hamid Bahadori, Mana�er Transportation Services — If I may bring to your attention from page two of last month's report the paragraph that contains the staff's recommendation indicates our approval for the removal of the yellow curb is cond.itioned to no opposition by the business at 642 W. Chapman Ave. There are no compelling safety issues it's only a matter of parking allocation and it's been your Commission's policy to consider the most affected parties input and our recommendation was based on the support of the business owner. Chairman Yarg.er—This is only 30 ft. (ong is fihat correct? Tape#CTC-20.05 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. ,'� Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. � ey '�■I�Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission—June 14,2000 � Page 5 Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — There is a section of red curb adjacent to the STOP sign at Chapman which is 30 ft. long, the existing yellow curb in question is actually 63 ft. long. Lee Roberts — We use 40 ft. for our trash cans, which we put out in the yellow zone because we can't put them out in the alley behincl the building. Steve Kochen, 642 W. Chapman Ave. — I own Whimsical Collections in the front of the building for approximately 3 years and we support the removal of the yellow curbo When we moved in there wasn't red curb here. There was indeed a loading � bay door and Mr. Roberts himself took it out approx. one year ago when h.e built- out his entire building. There was a reason for the yellow curb prior to the removal of the door. In any event that space is needed by our customers whenever there is a over-flow of parking inside 642 W.. Chapman without it there is very little space for them to park as the Texaco Station across the street takes up a lot of that space � so with the removal of the parking area the customers have little place to go. Chairman Yar�er — You're saying that due to the yellow curb you can't park on the street? Steve Kochen — It limits our parking. We try to have our employee's park on the street fio keep the parking lot available for customers. , Chairman Yar�er — There appears to be adequate parking on the street if your emplo.yees are willing fio park 2-3 houses away from the store. I don't think we need to remove yellow curb so your employees can park right next to your door. � Chairrnan Yarger closed the public hearing and returned the ►tem to the Commission for further discussion and a motion: Chairman Yar�er — If a large truck comes up to drop items off, looking at these . pictures, if the other gentlemen needs areas for employees to park there is plenty of parking on S. Parker Sfi. I'm going to make the recommendation �hat we deny the o request of removing the yellow curb. . /�CTION: Deny the request for removing the yellow curb. . Motion fails for lack of second. � Tape#CTC-20.05 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. � Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. . — �y T■h�Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission—)une 14,2000 Page 6 Commissioner Sciarra — I make the motion to remove the yellow curb only because yellow curb is specifically designed for loading and unloading, it's on a side of the � street where there is no immediate access to the business for that purpose and for that reason I would recommend we remove this yellow curb. ACTION: Approve the request for the removal of the yellow curb markings on Parker St. south of Chapman Ave. adjacent to 642 W. Chapman Ave. MOTION: F. Sciarra SECOND: W. Poutsma AYES: D. Yarger B. Request for removing and reassigning school crossing guards for Handy, Chapman Hills and Esplanade Elementary Schools. Barbara VanOtterloo, Superintendent Orange Unified School . 1401 N. Handy St. Orange CA 92867 Ora! presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. There was no discussion of this request. ACTION: Deny the request for a crossing guard in front of Esplanade Elementary School on Esplanade St. between Spring St. and Walnut Ave. MOTION: J. Fortier SECOND: F. Petronella AYES: Unanirnous ACTION: Remove the existing crossing guard at the intersection of Newport Blvd. and Canyon View Ave. MOTION: J. Fortier SECOND: F. Sciarra � � � AYES: Unanimous ACTION: Approve the reassignment of the crossing guard from the intersection of � Newport Blvd. and Canyon View Ave. to Handy Elementary School at the intersection of Handy St. and Oakmont Ave. MOTION: ). Fortier � SECOND: W. Poutsma � AYES: Unanimous Tape#CTC-20.05 of.this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. � Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. ��� �s �■1►Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission—)une 14,2000 Page 7 C. Request for the installation of an "All-Way" STOP control device at the intersection of Rose Ave. and Milford St. R.on Felkner 741 (ol. Milford St. Orange CA 928�7 Oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. Th.ere was no discussion of this request. � ACTION: Deny the request for the installation of an "All-Way" STOP control � device at the intersection of Rose Ave. and Milford St. MOTION: J. Fortier SECOND: F. Petronella AYES: Unanimous Do Request for the installation of an "All-Way" STOP control device at the intersection of Marywood Dr. and Meadow G rove Rd. Jeffrey Elder 3211 E. Marywood Dr. Orange CA 92867 � Oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. There was no discussion of this request. ACT14N: Deny the request for the installation of an "All-Way" STOP control device at the intersection of Marywood Dr. and Meadow Grove Rd. MOTION: D. Yarger SECO�ID: J. Fortier AYESo Unanimous �1'ape#CTC-20.05 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. � Pl�ase contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. � � . �I�Printed on Recycled Paper � Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission—June 14,2000 Page 8 E. Final report and recommendations for the temporary "All-Way" STOP signs at the intersecfiions of Handy St. at Monroe Ave. and Handy St. at Quincy Ave. Traffic Engineering Division CITY OF ORANGE ora! presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. Chairman Yarger opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Leo Kueny, 2506 E. Ouincy Ave. — Opposed to STOP signs. (Plays an audio tape of traffic noise associated with vehicles accelerating and decelerating for the STOP sign at the intersection of Handy St. and Quincy Ave.) My bedroom window is facing the street at this location and I have to lisfien to this all the time, the noise level is incredible. Since they've closed Collins and Meats the traffic and pollution is intolerable. An�elo Santi I lo, 2401 E. Jackson Ave. — Opposed to the STOP signs. The problem is that on the west side of Handy St. when you're trying to access Handy from the side streets, the view when you're trying to see oncoming traffic is very difficult because the homes are up too close and you can't see the oncoming cars. William Bauer 1r., 2507 E. Ouincy Ave. — ln Favor of the STOP signs. I'm at the corner of Handy/Quincy. There is a problem with people violating these STOP signs, there is a difference between "rolling a STOP sign" which is a pain and it's different from blowing the STOP signs or removing the signs altogether. This problem is expedited with the removal of the Collins Bridge and fihe fact that westbound Kafiella has been reduced to 2 lanes, thafi makes Handy a medium thoroughfare, but to my knowledge, if you go one street east to Wanda that would be a better choice for allo We need additional Police enforcement in the area. Tom Dembroskyf 2524 E. Jackson Ave. — My daughter I ives at the corer of Handy and Monroe; we are in favor of keeping the STOP signs at least unti.l the Katella and Collins Bridge over the SR-55 Fwy. have been completed and are re-opened. Ifi's safer to have someone roll through a STOP sign at 4 MPH than driving down the street at 40 MPH. Tape#CTC-20.05 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. � - Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. � �� �1?Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission—June 14,2000 Page 9 Kay Perkins, 2543 E. Locust Ave. — Opposed to the STOP signs. I do see that people see these STOP signs as a "nuisance" and are responding as though it's a nuisance. I don't.see any information concerning southbound traffic in any of your staff reports. That's where we have the problem, when we're trying to access Handy people are blowing out of that STOP sign so fast from Monroe we can't get out onto Handy St. Coming from the cross streets we feel these signs are counterproductive to traffic flow. Bill Lanning, 2632 E. Adams Ave. — In.favor of the STOP signs. I think these signs are the best solution available since we're not going to put in speed humps. I think people will become used to these signs over time and with nominal Police enforcement I think that situation can be handled but it's a much safer situation than it was before. Chairman .Yarger closed the pu,blic hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion: Commissioner Sciarra — It appears to me tha# keeping these signs "temporary" until the SR-55 Fwy. construction work is completed may be the way to go here. Commissioner Fortier — We had this problem even before the freeway construction began so I disagree with this as a solution to this problem. I empathize with the residents concerns. We would have no speeding problem in the City of Orange if we put in a STOP sign every three streets, we may have people runn�ng STOP signs, but we would have no speeding problems. One of our main objectives is to keep it safe but expedite traffic as best we can across the City. I'm irritated myself when I � � drive down Handy St. and have to stop for all those signs, but I do it. Therefore I cannot in clear conscience say to you that fihis is something I can approve. I know this will be going to the City Counci�l and let them approve it, that's fine with me if that's what they want to do.. ACTION: Receive and file this report and send it to the City Council with no recommendation. MOTION: Yarger SECONDo Sciarra . � AYESe � Unanimous � � � Hamid Bahadori, Mgr. Transportation Services — )ust for clarification purposes this item wi I I be agend ized before the City Counci I at thei r meeti ng of)u ly 11 th, 2000 at the 7:00 PM session, and we will re-notify everyone in the area of that meeting. Tape#CTC-20.05 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. � � P9ease contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. -� ��r � �I�Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission—June 14,2000 Page 10 IV.ADMINlSTRATIVE REPORTS Status report on White Oak RidgeCTrails End. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — In December 1999, we had a request before you to consider the installation of an "All-Way" STOP at the intersection of White Oak Ridge and Trails End Ln. At that time the Commission elected to continue the request for 120 days and have us perform a turn count when the elementary school was NOT in session. Unfortunately, due to staffing constraints and inclement weather, we were unable to perform the additional traffic count in the. 120 days. School will be out the end of next week and we will re-do these traffic counts for you and make a final presentation to you at the August 9th, 2000 CTC meeting. V. ORAL PRESENTATIONS Tom Dembrosky, 2524 E. )ackson Ave. — I've been living in the presidential tract for about 38-40 years. When I bought my property I thought it was zones R for residential but it's turning into a big R.V. park with trailers, boats and peopfe living in RV's out there and when I call the City they tell me that we can't do a thing about it unless you give us your name, address and your complaint. If I do that I'm going to find my tires slashed. Why can't you do something about RV's and firailers and boats that are parked out here this is a residential area not an R.V. storage lot, it that's what you want it to be then let's have it reflected in our taxes. V1.AD)OURNMENT After discussion of today's Agenda items of the City Traffic Commission was concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral Presentations, the Chairman adjourned this session of the City Traffic Commission at 4:40 p.m. The next regularly scheduled meeting of the City Traffic Commission will be 1Nednesday—August 9, 2000. � Respectfully submitted, CITY OF ORANGE � � Phyllis Then � Recording Secretary Traffic Engineering Division CITY OF ORANGE � DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS TRAFFIC ENGINEERINC DIVISION 300 E. CHAPMAN AVE. ORANGE CA 92866 PH: (714) 744-5536 FAX: �714� 744-G9C�� . � -MINUTES JUNE [DISK#20/THENP] � . Tape#CTC-20.05 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is avaifable for your review. � Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. �� �� �I�Printed on Recycled Paper