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HomeMy WebLinkAbout04-11-2001 - Minutes TC - '�• `� 'a CITY OF ORANGE CITY TRAFFIC GOMMISSION Minutes of a Regutar Meeting: April 11, 2001 I. OPENtNG A. Fiag Pledge B. Roll Catl: Present—Commissioners: D.Yarger,J.Fortier, F.Sciarra, F.Petronella.W.Poutsma Present—Staff: R.Hohnbaum,C.Glass, Sgt.J.Gomez-Whiteley, D.Allenbach, P.Then Absent—Staff: W.Winthers C. Approval of Minutes: . March 14, 2001 — Approve as published by the Recording Secretary, with the correction that Commissioner Poutsma was absent from that meeting. MOTION: J. Fortier SECOND: F. Sciarra AYES: Unanimous . 11. CONSENT CALENDAR There were no Consent Items this month. ����������������� End of Consent Calendar ���#�������������� � Tape#CTG21.03 of thi.s City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. � Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714)744-5536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. �Printed on Recvcled Pauer Minutes of a Regular Meetir.�—City Traffic Commission—Aprii 11,2001 p9,2 � III.CONSIDERATION ITEMS � 1. Request for the installation of an "Ali Way" STOP control device at the intersection of Maple Ave. and Center St. Kathy Mattos 164 N. Center St. Orange CA 92866 Oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to yor�r copy. Chairman Yarger opened the public hearing for fhe fol%wing discussion: � Kellv Meluqin, 171 N. Center St. — I agree that putting in a sign for"2-Way" STOP or�CROSS TRAFFIC DOES NOT STOP�will help. Commissioner Fortier— If we said right now that we could install that sign would that satisfy everybody? Kellv Meluqin, 171 N. Center St. — It would satisfy me but I can't say anything for the rest of the neighborhood. There was a huge accident on St. Patrick's Day, it was a hit-and-run, drag racing type of accident and the STQP sign probably wouldn't have helpedo Kathv Mattos, 164 N. Center St. — I am in favor of having a "4-Way� STOP here. There was a major accident on St. Patrick's Day, there are a lot of near misses. - We are a main thoroughfare for Chapman University for all their delivery trucks, frre trucks use our street. A lot of children use Center St. for the Library: We would like the security of knowing.there is an A{I-Way STOP at this intersection. � A !ot of people use that street and they go very fast, they don't adhere to the posted 25 MPH speed limit. Commissioner Fortier — It sounds like there are finro issues, there is a speeding prob{em and the people using Center St. don't realize the cars on Maple Ave. don't have to stop. Kathy Mattos — Maybe someone new wouldn't know but most people know th�t's a 2-Way STOP. Chairman YarQer—What is the distance from Chapman Ave. to Maple Ave.? � Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analvst— 660 feef. I might add that with respect to the accident that occurred on St. Patrick's Day, we have not yet received a � copy of the Police accident report it is probably still going through Police. channels. The warrants we look at for placement of an "All-Way" STOP based on accident history is 3 reported accidents within a one-year period that would be suscepfiible to correction had there been an "Alf-Way" STOP installed. This most recent accident would still not make the intersect�on meet the warrants for this STOF' sign installation based on accident history. � Tape#CTC-21.03 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is aw�7able for qour review. � Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714)744-5536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. �Printed on Rewcled Paoer Minutes of a Regular Meeti�.;, -City Traffic Commission—Aprit 11,2001 � p9,3 Wendv Sabine. 176 N. Center St. — We here a lot of screeching tires at this location and its from all directions. The problem is the speed. I would like to see . a study showing how fast traffic is going in the evening and on the weekends on our street. The speed starts around 5:00 pm. Maybe we could use a speed hump here. The majority of speeders are coming down Center St. Commissioner Poutsma — That area looks like a micro geographical area, there are only 4 ways to get to that particular intersection and 3 of the 4 ways come from a 4-Way S T O P, so I t hin k a lot of people have that set in their mind that I've just come from one and I'm going to see another one there. I would think that historically that the accidents that happen here are east and westbound and people assuming they are going to STOP and they don't. Chairman Yarger — That's why I like the idea about the "2-Way" plate under the STOP sign. Chairman Yarger closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. � Vice-Chairman Fortier — Based on the input we have received there are 2 problems, there are speeding cars and people believe the Maple traffic is going to stop. In my opinion we might be able to alleviate this with adding this location to the Police Dept. special enforcement list, and installing a sign below the STOP indicating that "CR4SS TRAFFIC DOES NOT STOP". 1've seen those sign plates and I think they really help. ACTION: Deny the request for the installation of an "All-Way" STOP; however, add this intersection to the special enforcement list by the Police Dept., and install a "CROSS TRAFFIC DOES NOT STOP" plate to the existing STOP signs. M�TI�N: J. Fortier SECOND: F. Sciarra � AYES: Unanimous . ACTION: Approve the installation of 30 ft. of red curb on the south side of Maple Ave. westerly of Center St. MOTION: J. Fortier SECOND: F. Sciarra � � AYES: Unanimous . . , Tape#CTG21.03 of this City Tr,sf6c Commission meetiag is awa�able for your review Please contact the Recoid'u�g Secretary at(714)744-5536 in this regazd,advance notice is appreciated. . �Printed on RecvcIed Paner Minutes of a Regular Meetir,;, -City Traffic Commission—April 11,2004 p9.4 2. Request for the instaltation of an "All-Way" STOP control device at the intersection of Palmyra Ave. and Wayfield St. Edreen Sato 1926 E. Palmyra Ave. � Orange CA 92866 Oral presentation is based on the written staff report;please refer to your copy. There was no discussion of this request. - ACTION: Deny the installation of an "Ail-Way" STOP, but we put in a 30 ft. red curb marking at afl four approaches, and install a "2 Way" STOP indicator under the STOP signs. MOTION: D. Yarger SECOND: W. Poutsma AYES: Unanimous 3. Request to evaluate pedestrian access on Via Escota in proximity to Belmont Park. Traffic Engineering Division CITY QF ORANGE � � Oral presentation is based on the written staff report; p/ease refer to your copy. Chairman Yarger opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Jackie MauQhan, 4513 E. Wickham Ave. — I am in favor of a crosswalk and a light. I strongly oppose the park, I realize that is another issue but they are all related and I'd like to have some questions answered. I'm not clear on where you will install the light. It would be Via Escola and which cross-street? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analvst — The cross-street is Springfield and Bentley, its Bentley on the south side of the intersection. Jackie Mau han — Several times when traveling on Via Escola I've had to stop for a gentlemen in a wheelchair. This is a neighborhood park and there are always people walking along this green belt, it's a beautiful area. There are constantly kids running across so I feet we need a pedestrian crosswalk, my only concern is if you put a crosswalk and a light and they are talking about putting � 14 parking spaces on Via Escola and 8 spaces on Sommerset. We've had an accident at SpringfieldNia Escota and SommersetNia Escola, and Sunday night there was a serious accident, the driver had been drinking and he had to be air lifted out for medical attention. I'm concemed for safety if you install a crosswalk without a light. Tape#CT C-21.03 of this City TrAffic Commission meeting is available for your review, � Please contact the Recording Secret�y at(714)744-5536 in this regard,advauce notice is appreciated. �Printed on Recvcled Paver Minutes of a Regular Meetiny -City Traffic Commission—April 11,2001 pg,5 Chairman Yarger — You suggested there might be a problem with the layout of the basketball court in proximity to the street. Jackie Maughan — There has to be a way to slow the traffic down if this park goes through. RoQer Hohnbaum, Asst. City Engineer—There is a sketch that is being circulated for you depicting the layout of the park. To the left of the sketch is Via Escola and you will notice that the site of basketball court is oriented parallel to Via Escola and they would be shooting away from the street. The distance between the edge of the curb and the basketball court is approximately 25 ft. Gradv Hanshaw, 4438 E. Wickham Ave. — I support some kind of control for pedestrian crossing here. Why don't the cars park on-site and not on the street? What will that dt� for the line of sight for people exiting my street? Its difficult to see motorists at Westmont and at Wickham. I don't know if there is a code that you may need to deal with in respect#o development of a park without proper on- � site parking, I wonder if the code hasn't been violated here. I wonder how we deal with the issue of bringing more facilities, traffic and usage to this park which backs up to a row of homes. From my understanding and visual inspection of this site plan there will be no on-site parking, it will be imposed on the neighborhood, and I think it will create a parking hardship on the neighborhood. Commissioner Petronella — I want you to realize we don't know about the parking situation we're just dealing with the intersection. Stacev Robuck. 4419 E. Wickham —The crosswalk would be affected if on-street parking is allowed on Via Escola because then there is a problem with sight. You can't make your decision until you find out if there is going to be parking on the street because it would affect the crossing activity. You would definitely need a light if parking is atlowed on Via Escola to help with the crossing; I don't know if you have anything to do with the parking but we don't want parking on Via Escola, the parking should be on-site. Beverlv Byers, 2704 N. Bentley,St. —When t come out on Bentley it is difficult to see when you're turning left. Now that the trees have grown a little bit your vision � isn't all that good and there have been some accidents at this location. I think there will be some problems and some terrible accidents because of vision and they will probably involve children. Chairman Yarger closed the public hearing and retumed the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. Tape#CTG21 A3 of this City Traffic Comrnission meeting is available for yoeir review. e Please contact the Recording Secretazy at(71�7445536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. �Printed on Recvcled Paner Minutes of a Regular Meetir,� -City Traffic Commission—April 11,2001 p9,g Chairman YarQer — I don't think I can make a decision right now until we realiy find out what is going to happen with the park, otherwise it would be a guessing game. I think we have evaluated the situation and should probably receive and file the report until we get more information. Vice-Chairman Fortier— I was also wondering about the on-street parking. Gabe Garcia, Community Services Manager — We have hired Willdan Assoc. to prepare a striping plan and part of that plan recommendation will be to evaluate if on-street parking can be provided on Via Escola, the preliminary results indicate that yes we can accommodate on-street parking. Chairman Yarger — Would that request have to come through the CTC and the City Council for approva!? � Dave Allenbach — Right now both sides of Via Escola are posted for "tvo STOPPING AT ANY TIME� and any changes to that or addition of on-street parking would have to come to the CTC. This would be at a later date and it would have to be a separate issue from what we are discussing today. Commissioner Petronella — In looking at the map it appears that tuming left from Bentley would be difficult. I don't have enough information to take any action at this time. Vice-Chairman Fortier — I think a lot if it depends on if on-street parking is allowed or not and we don't know that yet. ACTION: We have evaluated the situation at the present time, have listened � to the comments of area residents and that we receive and file this report until there is more information on what is exactly going to happen with the park, the possibility of on-street parking, etc. IVIOTt�N: D. Yarger SECOND: F. Sciarra - AYES: Unanimous I\/.ADNIItVISTRATIVE REPORTS �lone this month. Tape#CTG21.03 of this City Traffic Commission meedng is available for pour review. � Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714)749-5536 in this regard,advance notice is apprcciated. �Pm►ted on Recvcled Paver Minutes of a Regular Meetir. ,City Traffic Commission—April 11,2001 p9.7 V. ORAL PRESENTATIDNS _ None this month. VI.ADJOURNMENT After discussion of today's Agenda items of the City Traffic Commission was concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral Presentations, the Chairman adjoumed this session of the City Traffic Commission at 4:33 p.m. .. � The next regular meeting of the City Traffic Commission will be held Wednesday — May 9, 2001. � Respectfully submitted, � CITY OF ORANGE Phyllis Then Recording Secretary � Traffic Engineering Division . CITY OF ORANGE � DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS TRAFFIC ENGINEERING DIVISION 300 E.CHAPMAN AVE. ORANGE CA 92866 � �H: (714)744-5536 F�vc: (714)744-5573 �April-Minutes[CTC DisklThenp] Tape#CTG21.03 of this City Ti�ffic Cammission meeting is available for your review. � Please contact the Reco:ding Secretary at(714}744-5536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. �Printed on Recvcled Paner