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Home My WebLink About03-13-2002 - Minutes TC CITY OF ORANGE CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION Minutes of a Regular IVleeting: March '13, 2002 I. OPENING �A. Flag Pledge B. Roll Call: Present—Commissioners: D. Yarger, J. Fortier, F. Sciarra, F. Petronella, M. Burkhardt M Present—Staff: R. Hohnbaum, C. Glass, Sgt. J. Burton, D. Allenbach, G. Sheatz, P. Then C. Approval of Minutes: � ♦ February 13, 2002—Approve as published by the Recording Secretary. MOTION: F. Sciarra SECOND: J. Fortier AYES: Unanimous 11. CONSENT CALENDAR A. Request for a vision zone at the intersection of Larkstone Ave. and Prospect St. JoAnn Phiflips 12652 N. Prospect Ave. Santa Ana CA Oral presentation is based on the written staff report; p/ease refer to your copy. Chairman Yarger opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Euqene Jalbert, 12692 Prospect Ave., Santa Ana — Opposed to request. Wants a copy of staff report. The centerline has been relocated about one year ago; why was this done to favor a few City residents? Removing parking from 30 ft. of my frontage means I won't have that available for my guests. I can see that to some extent that we need a vision clearance but l don't think 30 ft. is necessary. Roqer Hohnbaum, Asst. City Engineer—There was a request from residents of both the City and the unincorporated areas on the west side of Prospect St. that we provide them with a better area to pull in and out of their driveways. Previously the travel lane was right at the edge of the pavement, and there is no curb and gutter on that side of the street. There were 2 Ianes north and 1 lane south; we eliminated one of the northbound lanes and moved the stripe over to provide the people on the west side a buffer zone for pulling in and out of their properties. The City did this because the roadway is under our jurisdiction. ,�:w,�, Tape#CTC-22.02 of this City Traffic Corrunission meeting is available for your review. ��'� Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714)7445536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. >::�, � �Printed on Recvcled Paper h:�:� ;,�r^;,r�� ,`.�,?t �,; _ m;�::;.;Y� '.�..•._::,.:r:�:.:�;�:� ,�:^;'�;"�;:- , .� ��e.�`�'„t'��'�{_s;�r K."F'�a,�.:. Minutes of a Regular Meeting—City Tra�c Commission—March 13,2002 Pg.2 Our standard for red curb is 30 ft.; we are painting both to the north and south of Larkstone Ave. As you had mentioned 50 ft. is being provided to the south (looking left when approaching the intersection) and 30 ft. is the minimum standard when looking to the north for sight distance. The question is, "Could this be reduced?" It could be, but then we're not providing for our standard sight distance and it may defeat the purpose of its installation. Chairman Yarqer— Motorists pulling out of Larkstone to make a left turn onto Prospect will need that 30 ft. of red curb so they can see oncoming traffic; they won't always be making a right turn. Mr. Jalbert, how much frontage do you have on Prospect? Euqene Jalbert, 12692 Prospect Ave. —About 40 ft. Chairman Yarqer— And what about further north? Wouldn't there be plenty of parking available on Prospect north of your property? Roqer Hohnbaum, Asst. Citv En�iq neer — Could we have a discussion of not having the 30 ft. of sight distance for the north side? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analvst— The reason for 30 ft., which is one car length, on this side of the street is because the line of sight is not as acute. The reason we have 50 ft. of clearance on the south side of the street is because traffic is closer to the curb and the line of sight is more acute, so therefore you're going to need more of a clearance. The residences on the north side of Larkstone running along Prospect have alley access to the rear of their properties, this means the frontage along Prospect from Larkstone up to LaVeta has no driveways with continuous curb frontage for parking. While there wouldn't be parking available directly in front of this residence, we are talking about 1 car length, and the rest of the street is open and is typical public curbside parking. - Chairman Yarger closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. Commissioner Burkhardt— On this side of Prospect, at LaVeta, there are 2 homes with driveway access; the rest of the homes on this block take access from the altey. Traditionally if people are having guests they park on the west side of Prospect across from their homes. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analvst — Parking on the west side of Prospect is available; however, we strongly encourage residents of the east side of the street to have their guests park on the same side because we do not want to encourage people to cross an arterial roadway mid-block. There are no other controls in the area and it's unlikely they would walk all the way up to LaVeta to cross at a 4-Way STOP. In this case the residents adjacent to LaVeta is about % mile away from the subject intersection so that leave us with quite a bit of available curbside area for parking. ��. Tape#CTC-22A2 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. '"��' Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714)744-5536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. � ' ��Printed on Recvcled Paner Minutes of a Regular Meeting—City Traffic Commission—March 13,2Q02 Pg.3 ACTION: Approve the installation of a vision zone 50 ft. on the south side and 30 ft. to the north at the intersection of Larkstone Ave. and Prospect St. MOTION: D. Yarger SECOND: F. Petronella AYES: Unanimous B. Request for the installation of red curb markings on both sides of the driveway servicing 2176 N. Pacific St. Jon Ellis 2176 IV. Pacific St. Orange CA 92865 Oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Ch�irman Yarger opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Mike Dart, 2176 N. Pacific St. — In favor of the request. We have been at this location 3 �/2 years �and have numerous tractor-trailers coming in and out all day, and they have a difficult time getting around cars parked at the driveway. We addressed this issue for our empfoyees by renting a facility behind us with a parking lot keeping the congestion off the street. There is a definite vision problem. Vice-Chairman Fortier— Based on what I've heard this red curb would improve safety at this location. � � Chairman Yarger closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. ACTION: Approve the instaflation of 10 ft. of red curb markings on both sides of the driveway at 2176 N. Pacific St. MOTION: J. Fortier SECOND: F. Sciarra AYES: Unanimous �� End of Consent Calendar �� c �;��,. � Tape#CTC-22.02 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. g�;�=: � Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714)744-5536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. ��Printed on Recvcled Paner Minutes of a Regular Meeting—City Traffic Commission—March 13,2002 Pg.4 III. CONSIDERATION ITEMS 1. Request to establish a policy outlining the installation of informationaf road signs reading "PROTECT OUR CHILDREN — DRIVE SAFELY." Joe Fortier, Vice Chairman Traffic Engineering Division City Traffic Commission CITY OF (JRANGE Oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Yarger opened the item for discussion. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analvst — These particular signs have no enforcement value, they are informational signs only. We will maintain control over where they will be installed. Initially, they will be placed around school zones on walking routes; however, inevitably they will probably be installed adjacent to residential communities and the policy we have outlined should accommodate their installation. We added a section about guide signs for service organizations, churches, shopping malls, etc. Basicalfy each organization would be allowed 2 signs and the city will perForm the installation. The applicant must supply everything, the sign, pole, and hardware. We will advise ahead of time what type of hardware will be needed and whether the sign will be installed on a streetlight or as a stand-alone sign. We'If install them in the public right-of-way; howe�ver, we do not maintain them. We also reserve the right to refuse the installation of any type of sign we feel inappropriate to be placed in the public right-of-way. Vice-Chairman Fortier — Do you have a list of vendors that could be made available to the applicant on where to have the signs made? Or can they use an outside vendor so long as their signs meet your specifications? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst —The signs should be made with high-grade reflective sheeting and they should be 18" x 24" dimension, which is the same size as a speed limit sign. We can provide an applicant with the name of a couple of local vendors but they rnay go to any vendor they choose. C.ommissioner Sciarra — The pole that's used to erect these signs what material are those to be? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analvst — The signs would go on a metal unistrut pole, this is a square pole with a metal sleeve that goes into the ground. Our crews put these in because they are very wind resistant and are a standard for just about all our signing in the City these days. Chairman Yarqer— Do the sign companies carry poles and mounting hardware or would the applicant have to go to separate vendors? Dave Allenbach — Some sign companies carry poles, but not all of them. We can talk to our Operations Division and put together a list of vendors for each item. I don't know for sure but possibly the applicant could pay us for the cost of the pole and then we could use one out of our stock. r...�,, Tape#CTG22.02 of this City Traffic Comiriission meeting is available for your review. ,�.�'" Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714)7445536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. �'! �1�Printed on Recvcled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting—City Tra�c Commission—March 13,2002 Pg.5 Commissioner Burkhardt —Would it be the staff's�position that we don't want to make a recommendation as far as vendors are concerned so we don't have a problem on the quality of the sign? Roqer Hohnbaum —To make sure that we don't shown any impropriety we can provide a list of vendors without a recommendation of any specific one. As Dave mentioned, any vendor that is not on the list that cou{d make a sign of the quality that we're looking for would also be acceptable. We will prepare a standard specification denoting sign materials, dimensions, etc. and make that available to the applicants. ACTION: Approve a policy outlining the installation of informational road signs reading "PROTECT OUR CHILDREN — DRIVE SAFELY." MOTION: F. Sciarra SECOND: F. Petronella � AYES: Unanimous IV.ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS None this month. V. ORAL PRESENTATIONS None this month. VI. ADJ�URNMENT After discussion of today's Agenda items of the City Traffic Commission was concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral Presentations, the Chairman adjourned this session of the City Traffic Commission at 3:55 p.m. The next regular meeting of the City Traffic Commission is scheduled for Wednesday — April 17, 2002. Respectfully submitted, CITY OF ORANGE Phyllis Then Recording Secretary Traffic Engineering Division CITY OF ORANGE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS TRAFFIC ENGINEERING DIVISION 300 E. CHAPMAN AVE. ORANGE CA 92866 PH: (714) 744-5536 F�vc: (714) 744-5573 �March-Minutes[CTC Disk/Thenp] .,� Tape#CTC-22.02 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. ��' Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714)744-5536 in this regard,advance notice is appreciated. � ��Printed on Recvcled Pat�er