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HomeMy WebLinkAbout11-10-2004 - Minutes TCCITY OF ORANGE CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION Minutes of a Regular Meeting: November 10, 2004 Tape #CTC-24.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. I. OPENING A. Flag Pledge B. Roll Call Present – Commissioners: F. Sciarra, F. Petronella, J. Beil, N. Lall Absent - Commissioner: J. Fortier Present – Staff: T. Mahood, D. Allenbach, P. Then, W. Winthers, Sgt. J. Burton D. Approval of Minutes ŠSeptember 15, 2004 ACTION: Approved as published by the Recording Secretary. MOTION: N. Lall SECOND: J. Beil AYES: Unanimous II. ORAL PRESENTATIONS Carolyn Aliotta, 7229 E. Clydesdale Ave. – Expressed her concerns with traffic safety on Santiago Canyon Rd. at Kennymead. On 10-12 there was horrific car accident coming down the curve. Most accidents are single auto or motorcycle fatalities, so when no other cars are involved it means they are going too fast, the curve is too dangerous, there are not enough advance warning signs for ‘CURVE AHEAD’ and there is no traffic or speed enforcement in the evening. If the curve is dangerous or the angle not correct I don’t know but there is no shoulder area so if a car does go out of control the tires curbside would enter the run-off ditch, and that usually flips the vehicle over and they land either on the horse trail or a wall that protects another community. I’m told there’s no traffic control after sundown, all the motor officers are off duty and I’m told the patrol cars are too busy in the downtown area to patrol the rural canyon roads. There are 2 yellow warning signs coming from the cemetery area and these signs are misleading because they don’t indicate a curve, they indicate a side street coming off Santiago Canyon Rd. I would like you to consider 3 things: 1) Change the signs 2) Change the ditch to a shoulder on the north side of the curve; and 3) Enforce the speeds at night between Meads and Amapola.  November ’04 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2004 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – November 10, 2004 Pg. 2 Tom Mahood, City Traffic Engineer – For the last month or so we have been looking at that particular stretch of road and we will be upgrading the signing and installing a warning flasher at the curve. We are doing a routine review of what we have out there, so I do think we will be able to improve it somewhat. Chairman Sciarra – There being no other requests for Oral Presentations Chairman Sciarra closed this segment and returned to the Consent Calendar. III. CONSENT CALENDAR A. Request for the installation of a driveway vision zone at 631 N. Glassell St. Fredrick Brummer 631 N. Glassell St. Orange CA 92867 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. There was no discussion of this item. ACTION: Approved the installation of a 10 ft. red curb as requested. MOTION: J. Beil SECOND: N. Lall AYES: Unanimous B. Request to implement “2-Hour” time limit parking restrictions at the driveways serving 625 & 635 W. Angus Ave. Shane Strowski 635 W. Angus Ave. Orange CA 92867 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Sciarra opened the public hearing for the following discussion. Jack Budd, 635 W. Angus Ave. – In favor of the request. We have a problem with semi-trucks parking in front of our business and they leave their motors running during the day, to keep the air conditioner on and they sleep in the trucks. We have no parking for our customers. We’re pretty busy throughout the day and we would like to have at least 30 ft. of parking available on each side of the driveways. Tape #CTC-24.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  November ’04 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2004 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – November 10, 2004 Pg. 3 Consent Calendar Cont’d. Chairman Sciarra closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – They are requesting 30 feet of green curb for 2 hours for each of the proponent’s 2 driveways, so it would actually be a total of 2 spaces. ACTION: Approved the request to implement “2-Hour” time limit parking restrictions (green curb markings) at the driveways serving 625 & 635 W. Angus Ave. MOTION: J. Beil SECOND: F. Petronella AYES: Unanimous 777777777777777 End of Consent Calendar 77777777777777777 IV. CONSIDERATION ITEMS 1. Request for the implementation of a neighborhood permit parking program on the following streets: Both sides of the 100-200 block of N. Malena Dr. Both sides of the 100-200 block of N. Wheeler Street Both sides of the 2700 block of E. Bennett Ave. Both sides of the 2700 block of E. Sherman Ave. Both sides of the 2700 block of E. Killingsworth Ave. Mike Franco 215 N. Malena Dr. Orange CA 92869 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. There was no discussion of this item. Vera Fendt, 2747 E. Bennett – In favor of the permits. The car wash as been a real problem for us. When I try to exit Bennett onto Malena I am taking my life into my hands, I cannot see in either direction because the cars are parked end to end on Malena so I inch out into the intersection and I don’t know how many times I’ve almost been hit by cars coming down Malena. There’s no way the gardeners and pool cleaners can park on the street because the car wash has used it all. You can’t have friends over or anything because they take up all the spaces. Tape #CTC-24.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  November ’04 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2004 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – November 10, 2004 Pg. 4 Consideration Items Cont’d. Kris Petersen, 141 N. Malena Dr. – In favor of permits. As you come into Malena the car wash is on the west side of the street and there is a strip center on the right side. The car wash has 10 or more employees, the beauty shop has 10 or more employees plus there are 5 other businesses and they are busy, so if they have a lot of clients and employees they park on Malena. I live at the front part of Malena and I run my business from there, I have my Business License from the City of Orange and right on my license it states no clients or employees for the home, but I have clients and employees of these other 6 businesses parking in front of my house. Recently a home on Bennett was appraised and the condition of the street with the parking reduced the value of his property by $50,000. Michael Franco, 215 N. Malena Dr. – In favor of permits. I initiated the request and we took some photographs that show you a pretty typical day of our neighborhood of cars parked on the street by the car wash. These other cars still have the markings visible from the car dealers who contract their car washing to this facility. 235 Malena is 10 house lengths from the edge of the street adjacent to Mr. Petersen and that is still just down a little bit from the carwash. The standard lot in this neighborhood is about 70 ft. wide that is approximately 700 ft. away from the retail business. Chairman Sciarra closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. Commissioner Beil – It seems to me that there is a tremendous problem there, not only is it a tremendous inconvenience but it’s a safety hazard as well. There is overwhelming response in favor of the permit parking and I think their concerns are warranted and justified. Commissioner Petronella – I agree, this shouldn’t be a commercial parking area, it’s a neighborhood and I agree with their attitude about make this permit parking. Commissioner Lall – I’d like to commend Michael for taking a leadership role in the neighborhood and get this thing going. ACTION: Approved the implementation of a neighborhood parking permit program for: 1) Both sides of the 100-200 block of N. Wheeler St. 2) Both sides of the 2700 block of E. Bennett Ave. 3) Both sides of the 2700 block of E. Sherman Ave. 4) Both sides of the 2700 block of E. Killingsworth Ave. MOTION: F. Sciarra SECOND: F. Petronella AYES: Unanimous Tape #CTC-24.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  November ’04 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2004 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – November 10, 2004 Pg. 5 Consideration Items Cont’d. 2. Request to eliminate on-street parking from both sides of the 2900 block of E. Walnut Ave. Fire Brevention Bureau Orange Fire Department CITY OF ORANGE The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Fortier opened the public hearing for the following discussion. B.A. Skipper, 2905 E. Walnut Ave. – Opposed to request. This street has been in the same condition for the last 40-50 years. It originally went through the creek into the rock quarry and for years prior to the 1969 flood we had dump trucks and rock haulers, big heavy equipment coming down that narrow roadway, with our cars parked on the street, with no accident in that area caused by the cars parking. The Fire Dept. has been down the street with cars parked on both sides without any problems, the Police, ambulance service, County personnel, Flood Control people are down there once or twice a month to service the trail as well as the flood control. Every Friday the trash truck comes down and services these houses, we’ve had no vehicles hit. I don’t think this street should have been approved and built at this width and there is no way the City would approve it now. I have a business at my house and I cannot ask people to park 2 houses down and carry 130 lb. saddle to my house. My granddaughter is 13 months old and she stays with me 2-3 nights a week and she is there all the time during the days, her mother has to drive from Chino Hills and drop her off. She has significant medical problems necessitating visiting health care providers coming to the home and they must have parking accessible to us as mandated by State and Federal law. They have to park and bring their equipment in. It’s an ongoing issue that will continue for some time in the future. Gail Blansett, 2905 E. Walnut Ave. – Opposes request. Reiterated her daughter’s health problems and that her parents provide day care for her children during the week. Chairman Sciarra closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. Commissioner Beil – Is there anyone from the Fire Prevention Bureau here? Tom Mahood, City Traffic Engineer – No we haven’t been able to get in touch with them although this was their request. Tape #CTC-24.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  November ’04 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2004 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – November 10, 2004 Pg. 6 Consideration Items Cont’d. Chairman Sciarra – In that case I will make a motion that we table this to our next meeting, and have the Fire Dept. staff present to tell their side of the story. ACTION: Continued to our next meeting so we can have someone from Fire Prevention available. MOTION: F. Sciarra SECOND: N. Lall AYES: Unanimous 3. Request for the installation of an “All-Way” STOP control at the intersection of Del Mar Avenue and Chouteau Street. Samuel Maynard 815 E. Del Mar Ave. Orange CA 92865-3834 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. There was no discussion of this item. ACTION: Denied the request. MOTION: F. Sciarra SECOND: F. Petronella AYES: Unanimous 4. Request to prohibit left turns from Santiago Canyon Road onto Cabrillo Street during the PM peak hours between 5:00 – 7:00 PM. Jeff Wright 5646 E. Valencia Dr. Orange CA 92869 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Sciarra opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Tom Holler, 1456 Cabrillo St. – In favor of restriction. Cars were driving around the counter hoses for a couple of days. I agree that your numbers are correct for the data you received, but I don’t think you got all the data due to this bypassing. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst –There are 2 hoses on our counters, one extends across the street, the 2nd hose runs half-way across the street so we can get a directional split. In order for us to consider putting in a turn diverter for neighborhood traffic management resolution we’re looking at a minimum threshold of 2,500 vehicles a day through a neighborhood, and I don’t think I missed that many cars. Tape #CTC-24.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  November ’04 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2004 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – November 10, 2004 Pg. 7 Consideration Items Cont’d. Marty Holler, 1456 N. Cabrillo – In favor of restriction. This is not a new problem, this has escalated over the past few years. At one time a suggestion was made to install pylons across the street to prohibit this problem but we were advised that wouldn’t be possible because it would eliminate access for emergency vehicles getting to that area, which we totally understood. There are 8 homes on Cabrillo, I think there is not a one of the 8 of us who would mind going to Cannon if we wanted to make a left-turn during this timeframe in order to safeguard our neighborhood and the children who live there. I can tell you these cars are not going 25 MPH when they get on Cabrillo and they make their way over to Cannon they are trying to cut down the amount of time to get over to Cannon and Imperial Hwy. Annette Dunn, 1490 N. Cabrillo St. – In favor of restrictions. I live at the corner of Santiago Canyon Rd. and Cabrillo St. and I see the traffic that backs-up as well as the traffic making the left turn onto Cabrillo. I also travel the same route and turn at this location and would be affected by such a restriction. I have no objection to going down to Cannon to make my left turn. The counter equipment was set 2 houses in from the intersection so I never crossed those hoses during this period of time, so there are 4 homes whose trips were not counted. Ken Dunn, 1490 N. Cabrillo St. – In favor of restrictions. We have a sign on the pole on our property which says ‘LOCAL TRAFFIC ONLY’. I think that if you were to restrict hours, past 6 pm because many people commute such great distance, I don’t think that would be much of a deterrent. Even if there was a STOP sign at the corner of Cabrillo and Valencia I’ve seen many times where peopled ignore the STOP sign on Cannon and do the rolling California stop. Our intent is to slow the traffic that comes through. If you were do that perhaps you could install speed humps or something on that order to slow the traffic. Mike Walker, 5735 E. Valencia Dr. – In favor of the restrictions. I’ve seen the traffic get worse and worse since Imperial Hwy. went through and now the toll roads. I work in Irvine and I drive that route home everyday and I turn left into the neighborhood and when I do 3 or 4 cars follow me turning left. I see my neighbors kids outside playing ball and these motorists have no regard for their safety. I call the Police at least once a month complaining about speeding in the neighborhood. There is a sign posted for ‘LOCAL TRAFFIC ONLY’ it’s a black and white sign; I understand that to be the law, if they enforce that perhaps things might get better. I’m all for having some kind of restriction or speed humps. Tape #CTC-24.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  November ’04 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2004 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – November 10, 2004 Pg. 8 Consideration Items Cont’d. Jim Wittmann, 5546 E. Valencia Dr. – In favor of the restrictions. The traffic has gotten worse since they opened Cannon St. into Imperial Hwy. and I agree with your count but on several times I’ve counted as many as 30-35 cars in 20 minutes and maybe 1 or 2 are residents, so I think the congestion is a lot worse than what you are indicating. In the winter it’s not so bad because the kids are not outside playing so much but the volume is still terrible and I recommend you restrict the left-turns from Santiago Canyon Rd. during those 2 hours in the evening. Peter Gartner, 5504 E. Valencia Dr. – In favor of the restrictions. We live at the corner of Cannon and Valencia Dr. and you mention the traffic flow heading west to make the right turn onto Cannon only backs up to Valley Forge, I’ve seen that traffic in the evenings back-up a full mile all the way to Orange Park Acres Rd. Those people are stopped waiting to make the right turn onto Cannon, a lot of them are jumping the traffic and coming down to make the turn on Cabrillo coming up past our house at a high rate of speed. In the meantime the eastbound traffic on Santiago Canyon Rd. is backed up to the Fire Station, which is ¼ to ½ mile. They are coming up and making right turns, coming to our intersection and make U-turns, the heavy traffic coming onto Cannon from Chapman Ave. creates a major traffic jam where everybody stops and makes U- turns and we’ll have 4-5 cars in the intersection at one time creating a big problem. In addition to the STOP sign we’d like speed humps and a ‘NO U-TURN’ sign at the corner at Cannon so you can’t make a U-turn at the intersection of Valencia and Cannon. Jeff Wright, 5646 E. Valencia Dr. – In favor of the restrictions. I’m right at the corner of Cabrillo and Valencia. As the cars are coming down my street the concern during the rush hour (5-7 pm) I have 2 young children, which is my greatest concern because the cars are speeding. Not only does something have to be done out on Santiago Canyon Rd. but whatever needs to be done it needs to be enforced. If that is installing a sign restricting left turns from 5-7:00 pm it also needs to be enforced on a regular basis. Chairman Sciarra closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. Commissioner Beil – A lot of this problem seems to be caused by congestion on Santiago Canyon and Cannon St., can staff advise us what is planned for that area? Tape #CTC-24.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  November ’04 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2004 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – November 10, 2004 Pg. 9 Consideration Items Cont’d. Tom Mahood, City Traffic Engineer – The City is about 2 years out from a massive redesign and reconstruction of the Cannon/Santiago Canyon Rd. intersection. One of the key points of that will be a free right turn for westbound Santiago Canyon Rd. to northbound Cannon St. so essentially the right turns won’t stop, so the queue you see backing up ¼ to ½ mile will pretty much be gone. The other widening will be on Cannon to the west a bit so we’ll be getting a very large intersection through there. I’m fairly certain this short cutting situation will go away the improvement of this intersection because it will be a dramatic change. Commissioner Beil – I think the shortcutting is probably at a low level and Dave’s counts bear that out, I’m very concerned that even with a ‘NO LEFT-TURN’ sign for a limited time there will still be issues with speed on the street. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – We attempted to get some speed data, unfortunately our results are fairly inconclusive. I conducted a brief radar survey, typically you want to have a 100-car sample, and you don’t want to be out there for more than one hour. I was there for 2 hours and got 20 cars, so our sample is very small and we found our critical speed to be 28 MPH, basically that is the 85th percentile and there is going to be 15% of the traffic that is going faster. The highest rate of speed we caught was 32 MPH and the slowest was 19 MPH. Again this is a very small sample, we would have liked to been out there in the PM peak hour when the cut-through problem is occurring to see if we are having a speed problem related to that. Commissioner Lall – I don’t think there is any street in the city that doesn’t have a speeding problem. It makes me crazy when I see people racing through other people’s neighborhoods yet they seem to slow down when they drive through their own and they get upset if someone races through their neighborhood. Speed is a problem everywhere. I don’t think this sign is going to solve your problem, I think it will more likely cause one of you people to get the ticket than the motorist causing the problem. I don’t see where it would hurt to put it in. I think our ultimate answer to this problem is a couple of years down the road when this intersection is improved. I go down Santiago Canyon Rd. to Cannon St. every night on my way home and it’s very frustrating to have to wait, I have never turned onto Cabrillo St. to bypass the traffic though and I haven’t seen too many people do that either but I’m only there briefly. Unfortunately I think there are a lot of other areas in the City that have traffic issues, speeding problems, red light violations, STOP sign violations and I can’t see this getting a whole lot of enforcement. I could support doing this on a temporary basis, again I think the relief is a couple of years down the road, I’m not sure this is the proper way to go. Tape #CTC-24.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  November ’04 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2004 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – November 10, 2004 Pg. 10 Consideration Items Cont’d. Commissioner Beil – Has anyone inquired about the speed humps listed in the neighborhood traffic calming program for this neighborhood? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – Initially no, the primary basis for the request was the left-turn volume from Santiago Canyon onto Cabrillo. When we looked at the map it looked logical for a bypass. Cabrillo is fairly short street, Valencia runs parallel to Santiago Canyon, even through technically it is out of a motorists way I think that if it is a perceived shortcut and someone knows about it, they are going to take it. We are finding that we don’t have that cut-through volume. I will assume the 38 vehicles that I counted during the PM peak hour making a left from Santiago Canyon onto Cabrillo were bypassing through the neighborhood, there may some that were residents but without having the staff to do an origin/destination study we can’t really determine that. It’s hard to say if this street would warrant putting in speed humps based on our preliminary speed zone findings. We could look at that at some point if the residents wish to make such a request, but the other questions would be with around 290-300 vehicles per day you’re going to slow 15% of that and I don’t know if the residents would see the benefit of slower traffic because you’re just not slowing that large of a number of vehicles. Commissioner Beil – I was just thinking about other locations where speed humps have been installed even though they are not intended to reduce the volumes, they are meant to calm the speed, the medicinal affect has been a reduction of cut-through traffic. Tom Mahood, City Traffic Engineer – In order to qualify for speed humps we need a critical speed of about 33 MPH or 2,500 cars a day. Its clear the volumes fall way short on this particular street and the initial speed survey although not complete suggests that the speeds are going to be below that also. Commission Beil – What about if we were going to put this sign in how tough is it to properly sign it? Tom Mahood, City Traffic Engineer – It will be something of a challenge because we don’t have a raised median out there and it will get struck several times by vehicles and we will end up replacing it several times. I’m a little concerned about putting an obstruction out in the roadway. Certainly to put in an overhead sign will be extremely expensive so we’re talking about standard signs on telespar posts maybe 2-3 in order to sign it the best we can, because in order to sight that you really need at least 2 signs and I would prefer to have at least 3, but we’re not going to be able to enforce that without a minimum of 2 signs and it’s hard to do that on a roadway without a raised median. Tape #CTC-24.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  November ’04 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2004 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – November 10, 2004 Pg. 11 Consideration Items Cont’d. Chairman Sciarra – With the advent of the improvements we are looking forward to perhaps it may help to have a motor officer out in that area to help motorists curtail speeding. Is that possible? Sgt. Jeff Burton – OPD Traffic Bureau – We’ve had that request before and again the volume of speeds don’t justify us having someone out there on a regular basis, we’ve got too much of a demand in other areas during those times of the day, its impossible with the number of requests we have and the number of areas to cover. Chairman Sciarra – Is it possible to have a motor officer out there once a week? Sgt. Jeff Burton, OPD Traffic Bureau – I don’t know that I can even guarantee that at this point. Chairman Sciarra – I agree we just don’t have the volume there. The results of the study indicate this location doesn’t warrant this strategy at this time. I would have make a motion to deny the request. ACTION Denied the request prohibiting left turns from Santiago Canyon Rd. onto Cabrillo St. during the PM peak hours between 5-7 PM. MOTION: F. Sciarra SECOND: F. Petronella AYES: Unanimous Jeff Wright, 5646 E. Valencia Dr. – Requested information on appealing the decision made by the City Traffic Commission, and accompanied the City Traffic Engineer to the Public Works Department to receive the appeal form. Tape #CTC-24.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  November ’04 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2004 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – November 10, 2004 Pg. 12 Consideration Items Cont’d. 5. Request for the implementation of a neighborhood permit parking program on the following streets: West side of Lewis St. from Sirius Ave. to Simmons Ave. South side of Simmons Ave. from Lewis St. to Spinnaker St. Both sides of Tiller Ave. from Lewis St. to Spinnaker St. Both sides of Sirius Ave. from Lewis St. to Jetty Dr. Both sides of Spinnaker St. from Binnacle Ave. to Simmons Ave. Both sides of Jetty Dr. from Chapman Ave. to Sirius Ave. Both sides of Binnacle Ave. from Jetty Dr. to its easterly terminus. Both sides of Stay Ct. easterly of Jetty Dr. North side of Chapman Ave. frontage road from Jetty Dr. to cul-de-sac Claude Dunham 4200 W. Sirius Ave. Orange CA 92868 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. Chairman Sciarra opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Lisa Becklund, 4221 W. Tiller Ave. – Opposed to permits. I don’t understand why it has to be a 24-hour parking permit, why can’t it be from 2-6:00 a.m. because we only get 5 permits. I have a large family and when I have guests it’s an inconvenience for me to have to go and get additional permits. I live on the outside of Tiller and while there are a lot of cars on our street I’ve never seen anyone having a problem parking and my immediate neighbors don’t have parking problems either. Christie Ledford, 4114 Simmons Ave. – In favor. We just moved in there but we’ve had serious problems. There is one car that likes to park in the middle of the street area in front of our house. I can’t park behind him because there is a fire hydrant right there, you can’t park in front of him because there is no space so we have to park up the street from our house and then he leaves it all there week and I’ve seen this gentleman have someone pick him up and drive him to wherever his home is. He parks here every day and leaves the car there all weekend so our gests have to park elsewhere. People who come to drop their children off at the school bus stop have limited space as well and one lady decided to park and get her 4 children out, she parked right in front of my driveway, I have to get my children to school and myself to work and as she was getting out the vehicle I asked her move her can and she told me to wait. I think it’s a problem for most of my neighbors, the motorists creating the problem live in the mobile home park and are only allowed 2 vehicles so any other vehicles they park in our neighborhood and then leave them. Tape #CTC-24.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  November ’04 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2004 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – November 10, 2004 Pg. 13 Consideration Items Cont’d. Tom LaScalza, 4104 W. Tiller Ave. – In favor. Our tract is located on the northwest corner of Lewis and Chapman with Crystal Cathedral to the south. We encompass 102 houses that we went to, the tract actually has a few more than that. Along Chapman Ave. there is a row of houses approx. 8-10 and when we spoke to those residents everyone of them was so thrilled that we were seeking permit parking because the problems they have experienced from the people in the apartments on the south side of Chapman, they come there late at night and drink, play their radios loud, leave their debris and then leave. Coming here today Tiller Ave. is 10 houses long and there were 17 cars parked on Tiller Ave. There may have been 1-2 cars belonging to residents the rest were from the mobile home park and the apartments across the street on Lewis located in the City of Anaheim. The problem is not only that they park there but they leave them several days, they will bring 2-3 cars to park and then have another car pick up the drivers and take them somewhere and they leave them, it looks like a used car lot instead of a neighborhood. Most of the homes are well maintained and are in reasonably good repair and they make a nice presentation. We included a large area in our request so the problem wouldn’t move to an adjacent street so that’s why we went to 101 homes, it took 3 of us 3 weeks and 2 or 3 Saturday’s to circulate the petition. Bryan Le, 4300 W. Tiller Ave. – Supports permits. There are people who park here every night and they don’t live here. They come and park and drink their beers and playing the radio and then we have to come out and clean up after them. When we approach some of these drivers not to park here and drink they tell us the street doesn’t belong to us and that you own the inside. But they don’t care about keeping our neighborhood clean. They take up all our parking and makes it difficult for visitors. Chris Romero, 4241 W. Sirius Ave. – Supports permits. We do have a problem here. Ara Cacho, 4409 W. Chapman Ave. – Supports permits. Last month you approved prohibiting night time parking from 10 pm to 7 am. There is still a problem there. There is a truck for sale that has been parked there 2 months and the Police have cited him but he still parks the truck here. We are having problems from the residents of Garden Grove and the people from Anaheim also. Claude Dunham, 4200 W. Sirius Ave. – Supports permits. I don’t want to repeat what my neighbors have said but we really need your help. We want to be proud of our neighborhood and the only way we can keep it from looking like a parking lot is through these permits. Tape #CTC-24.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  November ’04 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2004 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – November 10, 2004 Pg. 14 Consideration Items Cont’d. Aurora Romero, 4241 W. Sirius Ave. – Supports permits. Thank you for listening to our request. There are times I have to put my trashcans in front of my house in order to keep my space open. We want to continue to have our neighborhood look like a residential area not like a used car lot or like a parking lot. We really would like your help in this regard. Chairman Sciarra closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. West side of Lewis St. from Sirius Ave. to Simmons Ave. South side of Simmons Ave. from Lewis St. to Spinnaker St. Both sides of Tiller Ave. from Lewis St. to Spinnaker St. Both sides of Sirius Ave. from Lewis St. to Jetty Dr. Both sides of Spinnaker St. from Binnacle Ave. to Simmons Ave. Both sides of Jetty Dr. from Chapman Ave. to Sirius Ave. Both sides of Binnacle Ave. from Jetty Dr. to its easterly terminus. Both sides of Stay Ct. easterly of Jetty Dr. North side of Chapman Ave. frontage road from Jetty Dr. to cul-de-sac ACTION - Approved the request adding the above streets to Permit Parking Area “J” and forward to the City Council for final approval. MOTION: F. Petronella SECOND: N. Lall AYES: Unanimous 777777777777777 End of Consideration Calendar 77777777777777 V. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS None this month. Tape #CTC-24.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  November ’04 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2004 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – November 10, 2004 Pg. 15 VI. ADJOURNMENT After discussion of today’s Agenda items the City Traffic Commission meeting was concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral Presentations, the Chairman adjourned this session of the City Traffic Commission. The next meeting of the City Traffic Commission is scheduled: 5:30 P.M. Wednesday – December 8, 2004 Respectfully submitted, CITY OF ORANGE Phyllis Then, Recording Secretary Traffic Engineering Division pthen@cityoforange.org CITY OF ORANGE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS TRAFFIC ENGINEERING DIVISION 300 E. CHAPMAN AVENUE ORANGE CA 92866 PH: (714) 744-5536 FAX: (714) 744-5573 Tape #CTC-24.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  November ’04 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2004 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper