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Home My WebLink About08-10-2005 - Minutes TCCITY OF ORANGE CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION Minutes of a Regular Meeting: August 10, 2005 Tape #CTC-25.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. I. OPENING A. Flag Pledge B. Roll Call Present – Commissioners: F. Petronella, J. Beil, N. Lall, J. Pyne Present – Staff: T. Mahood, D. Allenbach, G. Sheatz, Sgt. S. O’Toole, P. Then C. Approval of Minutes June 8, 2005 ACTION: Approved as published by the Recording Secretary. MOTION: F. Petronella SECOND: J. Pyne AYES: Unanimous II. ORAL PRESENTATIONS None III. CONSENT CALENDAR (REMOVED AND HEARD SEPARATELY) A. Request for the installation of red curb markings on N. Orange St. adjacent to the YWCA Central Orange facility located at 146 N. Grand St. Bill Teachout 191 N Orange St. Orange CA 92866-1412 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Petronella opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Vice Chairman Beil – Are there any time restrictions? I know the Plaza has 3- hour limits, does this apply to the street parking also? August ‘05 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2005 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – August 10, 2005 Pg. 2 Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst –The public lot has time limit parking, the businesses along Glassell St. and the small center to the north are able to buy a parking permit allowing them to park in the lot, it doesn’t guarantee them a spot in the public lot, but it will allow them to be there all day. There are no parking restrictions on this section of Orange St. Vice Chairman Beil – The is high utilization of the public lot across the street, I mean usually there are usually spots available. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – This lot is fairly well used, however, there is good turn around and there seems to be space available in the lot. Commissioner Lall – I don’t see this tree as a safety hazard at all, I don’t see a need to put a red curb there in from a safety standpoint from the tree. I do, however, see the line of sight as an issue, it seems pretty contiguous from the red curb and with this one 22 ft. space. From a line of sight of standpoint I would recommend we paint the curb red, we only loose one parking stall, and there is plenty of parking available in the parking lot. ACTION: Approved the installation of 22 feet of red curb markings along Orange St. allowing additional line-of-sight for that driveway. Vice Chairman Beil – If there are any issues with us modifying that for line of sight rather than what’s included in the package supporting the request is really for safety from a tree on private property. Gary Sheatz, Asst. City Attorney – In my reading that was the original request and when staff went out, and I think it’s documented in your staff report as well as the presentation today, about line of sight. You can have several different reasons for wanting to do it, if within the wisdom of this body they feel the safety isn’t necessarily an issue but line of sight is, then it can certainly be approved for a line of sight issue. It is documented and supported here. Commissioner Pyne – Does that mean that it takes away the issue of liability for the safety issue and allows us to acknowledge the line of sight issue? Only because the brought up the issue in documentation that indicates they see it as a safety issue can we arbitrarily throw that reason out and just go with line of sight issue? Tape #CTC-25.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. August ‘05 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2005 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – August 10, 2005 Pg. 3 Gary Sheatz, Asst. City Attorney – I don’t know if arbitrarily is an appropriate word to use, if staff went out and looked at it and found that it isn’t necessarily a hazard and that’s what I heard in the presentation to pedestrians as far as overhanging that sidewalk area. It may have been an issue or a reason why the YWCA brought the request to you. When staff sits down and analyzes that and they look at it and say we really don’t find the tree as being an issue for doing this, however, we believe the line of sight is an issue and then that is sufficient. From a liability standpoint if the City has gone out and looked at it and has made a determination that the tree is not a hazard, that should be sufficient. Vice Chairman Beil – The reason a lot of these questions come up is if we remove this one spot because of the safety of tree and yet we’re not doing anything for the pedestrians on the sidewalk if we saying there is safety of the tree. It seems there is an imbalance that we are concerned a liability that may be incurred by the City. Gary Sheatz, Asst. City Attorney – The motion that was made was very well articulated that I’m not seeing this tree as being a hazard or an issue; however, I believe line of sight is and therefore I move the item. The way the motion was made pretty much puts a bullet in the issue of liability, both findings of City staff as well as the CTC. Chairman Petronella closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. MOTION N. Lall SECOND F. Petronella AYES Unanimous Tape #CTC-25.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. B. Request for “NO PARKING 8:00 PM TO 6:00 AM” on both sides of the 300-400 block of W. Brenna Lane. W.T. Froemke 419 W. Brenna Ln. Orange CA 92867 ACTION: Approved the installation of “NO PARKING 8:00 PM TO 7:00 AM EXCEPT SUNDAYS” restriction on both sides of the 300-400 block of W. Brenna Ln. August ‘05 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2005 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – August 10, 2005 Pg. 4 C. Request for the installation of red curb markings in front of 987 N. Enterprise St. Bryan Thatcher 987 N. Enterprise St. Orange CA 92867-1240 ACTION: Approved the installation of 30 feet of red curb on both sides of the warehouse driveway for 987 N. Enterprise St. D. Request for the installation of a “NO PARKING ANYTIME” zone on the east side of Windes Dr. adjacent to 7305 Grovewood Lane. Leonard Quant 7305 Grovewood Ln. Orange CA 92869 ACTION: Approved the installation of 30 feet of red curb on both sides of the warehouse driveway for 987 N. Enterprise St. MOTION: J. Beil SECOND: F. Petronella AYES: Unanimous 777777777777777 End of Consent Calendar 777777777777777777 IV. CONSIDERATION ITEMS 1. Request to add both sides of Walnut Ave. between Shaffer St. and Cambridge St. to the Chapman University Permit Parking Area (Area “A”). Fred Peters 706 E. Walnut Ave. Orange CA 92867 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Petronella opened the public hearing for the following discussion. Vice Chairman Beil – Do we have any input on this request from Orange Unified School District? Tape #CTC-25.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. August ‘05 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2005 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – August 10, 2005 Pg. 5 Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – No, they were not notified, they are not included the same as the University or any commercial property. They are not allowed to have parking permits. They are required to have parking on-site for their students and faculty. In a sense they don’t get a say because they are creating the problem and the reason they were not notified. Chairman Petronella closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. ACTION: Approved the request. MOTION: F. Petronella SECOND: J. Pyne AYES: Unanimous 2. Request for the installation of an “All-Way” STOP control device at the intersection of Portico Terrace and Skytop Circle. Erin Montoya 7782 E. Portico Terrace Orange CA 92867 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Petronella opened the public hearing for the following discussion. Commissioner Pyne – It seems the request is based on speed as being the issue. Is it safe to say that STOP signs are in fact not a very effective method of reducing speed? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – Yes, that is true. We do not install STOP signs to control speed; they are installed to assign right-of-way. At an intersection you are looking for either someone coming out of the side street who is experiencing an excessive amount of delay waiting to enter the traffic stream, or we have a documented accident history of a type of accident that could be correctible, in this case it would be a right-angle type accident. In this intersection you have a fairly encapsulated neighborhood, Skytop Cr. is a cul-de- sac and Portico Terrace is a looping street but it services primarily this neighborhood and only this neighborhood, so there is no bypass traffic coming from the arterial, Serrano Ave. You’ve got a fairly low traffic volume to begin with and the intersection didn’t meet any of the criteria we would look at. We evaluated the street for the possibility of having speed humps, however, a new Tape #CTC-25.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. August ‘05 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2005 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – August 10, 2005 Pg. 6 set of standards was approved by the CTC in May, and the minimum 85th Percentile speed on a street has to be 35 PMH higher. In this case Portico Terrace has an 85th Percentile of about 31-32 MPH. Furthermore, there is a 5% grade on Portico Terrace and the RNTMP limits us to installing speed humps on a street with a grade no higher than 4%. Commissioner Lall – The 85th Percentile speed right now is 31.8 MPH, our requirements are 35 MPH. Even if the speed was 35 MPH or greater we still couldn’t put in speed humps because of the steepness of the grade. Is that correct? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – Yes, that is correct. Chairman Petronella closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. ACTION: Denied the request for a STOP control device at the intersection of Portico Terrace and Skytop Circle. MOTION: F. Petronella SECOND: J. Beil Vice Chairman Beil – In really taking a look at the streets out there in this neighborhood, I completely agree with the report. Staff noted in their report that STOP signs are used to assign right-of-way at intersections; they are not intended to control speed. This neighborhood, in my opinion, is not going to have a growth in traffic problem unless the density in the houses goes up. I don’t see much growth in traffic density, out there; it’s going to be like it is today. The speeds are going to be relatively the same and it’s essentially the same. It’s essentially a small neighborhood community. I don’t believe a STOP sign is appropriate here. AYES: Unanimous 777777777777777 End of Consideration Items 77777777777777777 Tape #CTC-25.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. August ‘05 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2005 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – August 10, 2005 Pg. 7 V. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS None this month. VI. ADJOURNMENT After discussion of today’s Agenda the City Traffic Commission meeting was concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral Presentations, the Chairman adjourned this session of the City Traffic Commission. The next meeting of the City Traffic Commission is scheduled: 5:30 P.M. Wednesday – September 14, 2005 Respectfully submitted, CITY OF ORANGE Phyllis Then, Recording Secretary Traffic Engineering Division pthen@cityoforange.org CITY OF ORANGE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TRAFFIC ENGINEERING DIVISION 300 E. CHAPMAN AVENUE ORANGE CA 92866 PH: (714) 744-5536 FAX: (714) 744-5573 Tape #CTC-25.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. August ‘05 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2005 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper