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HomeMy WebLinkAbout08-09-2006 - Minutes TCCITY OF ORANGE CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION Minutes of a Regular Meeting: August 9, 2006 Tape #CTC-26.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. I. OPENING A. Flag Pledge B. Roll Call Present – Commissioners: J. Beil, N. Lall, F. Petronella, J. Pyne, L. Dick Present – Staff: D. Allenbach, W. Winthers, Sgt. S. O’Toole, A. Farahani, P. Then Absent – Staff: T. Mahood C. Approval of Minutes Š June 14, 2006 ACTION: Approved as published by the Recording Secretary. MOTION: N. Lall SECOND: F. Petronella AYES: Unanimous II. ORAL PRESENTATIONS None this meeting. III. CONSENT CALENDAR A. Request for the installation of an intersection vision zone at Esplanade Street and Fernwood Avenue. Bob Centoni 4009 E. Fernwood Ave. Orange CA 92869 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Arlene Turner, 4011 E. Fernwood Ave. –I concur with your findings and support the red curb at the intersection. August 2006.1 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2006 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – August 9, 2006 Pg. 2 Rita Giebel, 4003 E. Fernwood Ave. – In favor of a vision zone, we have a difficult time exiting this street when cars are parked here, which they often are. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. ACTION: Approved the installation of 100 feet of red curb on the west side of Esplanade St. north of Fernwood Ave. MOTION: J. Pyne SECOND: F. Petronella AYES: Unanimous B. Request for the installation of red curb markings in front of 1291 N. Linda Vista Street. Bryan Cantley 1291 N. Linda Vista St. Orange CA 92869 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Marvin Mayer – 1298 N. Linda Vista St. – In favor of red curb. I’ve lived across the street from the Lawrence’s house for around 20 years and there have been 3 other families that owned the house before them and they’ve all left because of similar problems, and we don’t want to lose the Cantley’s because they’ve been wonderful neighbors. The Lawrence’s have 6-8 cars and a large number of tenants, there is not enough room for anyone else to park and to put their garbage cans out on the street on Thursday. Bryan Cantley – 1291 N. Linda Vista St. – In favor of red curb. We’ve had issues with the neighbors for some time now parking excessive number of vehicles in front of the curb and we can’t put our trash cans out. I have actually received a citation from the City on 6-16-06 because of the placement of our trash cans. Dave Allenbach or Preston Lee came out to the site and suggested that not only a few cars were parked here, but more often than not it’s the way the car is parked with the vehicle’s end invading our curb cut which makes it almost impossible to see oncoming traffic. We concur with Dave’s analysis that this is a busy street and there have been a number of accidents. Tape #CTC-26.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  August 2006.1 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2006 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – August 9, 2006 Pg. 3 Ted Shapin – 5110 E. Elsinore Ave. – I oppose the red curb. We go in and out of traffic every day on Linda Vista and we’ve never had any trouble going out into traffic on Santiago Canyon Rd., and we are opposed to any red curbs in this tract. We don’t want to start a red curb war saying you can’t park in front of that house. The only restriction we have right now is the street sweeping regulation. Maxwell Lawrence – 1301 N. Linda Vista St. – Opposed to the red curb. My father is disabled and it’s difficult to load him into the car in the front of my house he has a real hard time getting in so we have to have the curb up and the car down and he can get in. We have a Navigator and it would be a real detriment to paint the curb red in front of my house because of that situation alone and the other situation is this gentlement, a lawyer was up here, and he was stating all these things against me a day or so ago his wife went out and was taking pictures in front of my house which is okay but he just recently came across on Thursday, and I have a new wife from the Phillipines she’s not familiar with our ways out here, and she scared my wife. We were just at the side gate leaning up to the garage fence and all of a sudden a wild man comes busting through my property behind my bushes on the concrete yelling, yelling and yelling that “you’re parking in front of my house and my wife can’t back out, blah, blah, blah, ba blah”. I’ve got a picture of the car, it’s not mine and I don’t know whose it was. I wrote down the license number and they took a picture of the car by the way, it was totally parked legally. Let’s put it this way how it goes down like from where a person drives into, it was this far away from it where it starts sloping down. It wasn’t my car. My wife hasn’t been able so sleep the last couple of nights, she goes to work at 3:30-4:00 a.m., she’s crying, she’s upset, she’s talking to her parents she wants to leave, she wants me to sell the house and move because he came and yelled. I’m an ex-Navy trained diver and it would be very simple to put him to sleep with one punch but I know you can’t do that or you would get sued and it’s not the right thing to do. He was on my property, he had his wife there with him and we’re talking about huge bushes here, cement platform here here’s the house and here’s the fence it was right up here looking over the fence into the side yard. This is total harassment for him to institage and I will prove it in court because I’m going to be filing a massive law suit against him and I have evidence to prove it. But that’s the underlying, this has nothing to do with that, I wasn’t even going to bother bringing it up but since they want to bring up all the incidentals. When I moved in the fence was falling down because of termites, I saved some of the wood. He went over and got Code Enforcement then to come to my house, traipse through my house, which is fine, they were very cordial, we offered them cold drinks, they were very nice, he checked my side yard and he asked what size was this and that and then he said you gotta put a fence up because you’ve got the swimming pool. I saved for 3 years, I can show you the check cause because I got it from my wife’s death benefits she died, anyone would be angry if you had 9 people die in such a short time. I know this is not pertaining to this but since they brought all this other stuff up….. Tape #CTC-26.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  August 2006.1 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2006 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – August 9, 2006 Pg. 4 Chairman Beil – If you could keep the comments to those specially pertaining the action. Maxwell Lawrence – 1301 N. Linda Vista St. – That night we went down to the Police Dept. and made a report of everything, he had no right to do what he did it wasn’t even my car and the car was parked legally, I have a picture of it right here that is pertaining to everything. Now if you do paint the front of my house red I know you can I have nothing to say, I’ve only lived there 32 years, but I have observed in 32 years never one single accident in front of there. Multiple many accidents on Santiago Blvd. Now they put a school up there, they used to have a light, they took the light away and you heard a loud crash and there was an accident out there and there is tons of traffic on Santiago Canyon, tons of traffic on Cannon, Chairman Beil – Could you wrap up please? You’ve gone on for over 3 minutes. Maxwell Lawrence – 1301 N. Linda Vista St. – There’s very little traffic except for residents going in and out, there are some people who do line up there but because they want to get through to Santiago. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. Chairman Beil – I have one point that I would like clarified, the last speaker said the proposal was to paint the curb red in front of 1301 N. Linda Vista St. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – The area highlighted in the photograph is actually in front of the proponent’s house, 1291 N. Linda Vista. It goes from the top of his driveway to his property line. This will leave one parking space for Mr. Lawrence between the property line and his driveway for street parking, if he needs it. ACTION: 1.) Approved the request to install 20 ft. of red curb on the north side of the driveway at 1291 N. Linda Vista St. 2.) Approved the installation of 30 ft. of red curb on Valencia Dr. adjacent to the STOP sign for sight distance purposes. MOTION: L. Dick SECOND: N. Lall AYES: Unanimous Tape #CTC-26.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  August 2006.1 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2006 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – August 9, 2006 Pg. 5 C. Request for the installation of red curb markings on Batavia Street north of LaVeta Avenue. Elmer Taylor 928 N. Cleveland St. Orange CA 92867-5701 There being no speakers from the audience to this item, the Chairman closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. ACTION: Approved the implementation of a 155-foot “NO PARKING” zone. MOTION: F. Petronella SECOND: L. Dick AYES: Unanimous 77777777777777777 End of Consent Items 777777777777777777 IV. CONSIDERATION ITEMS 1. Request for the installation of red curb markings between the driveways at 2775 & 2765 N. Ashwood Street. Jim Ott 2775 N. Ashwood St. Orange CA 92865 Chairman Beil – At what point on the driveway X is the limit line? Is it right where the X meets the curb? Where the driveway apron meets the curb? Where does the overhang really start? Sgt. Sean O’Toole, OPD Traffic Bureau – It’s sort of a discretionary item in some ways for enforcement. In looking at the front of the photograph that is displayed, where the apron of the driveway slants back towards the front fender, if we’re looking at a vehicle exiting that driveway using that portion that is from where you can see the grass the point that is a little more straight where the driveway is actually flat by this picture this vehicle clearly looks to parked legally, if it were another foot forward it would start to be encroaching, and again it’s a discretionary citation. At that point it’s not totally blocking the ingress or egress of the driveway, which is the specific Vehicle Code section. Tape #CTC-26.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  August 2006.1 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2006 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – August 9, 2006 Pg. 6 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Jim Ott – 2775 N. Ashwood St. – In favor of red curb. Several years ago a neighbor built a room addition and that moved the approach north, I had an agreement with the old neighbors to limit the parking there and it never seemed to be an issue. The current residents have guests quite often and the cars that are parked there are pick-up trucks, and they hang over the area. Here are some photographs of my own vehicle parked at this location. I understand that there may be a section in the Vehicle Code but as the Sergeant explained it is discretionary. My concern is that the vehicles are there, they are right at the limit line and when I back out of my driveway and that car is sitting there it blocks my view. It is a safety issue in my opinion. I would just as soon not have to call the Police every time this occurred, that leads to nothing more than a neighborhood feud. I understand Dave’s comments about how red curbs can be detracting from the aesthetics of the neighborhood, but I have reached my limit and have had too many close calls. Commissioner Petronella – When they park and overhang into your driveway have you called the Police? Jim Ott – 2775 N. Ashwood St. – No. Commissioner Petronella – Why not? Jim Ott, 2775 N. Ashwood St. – I come from a Fire and Police background and I know they have a lot of responsibilities out there and these are considered minor issues, and they would sooner be out doing other things. I don’t want a feud with my neighbors. Commissioner Petronella – But don’t you think you will have to call them when there is a red curb there? Jim Ott, 2775 N. Ashwood St. – I think it would be a deterrent to them, if they parked there they would see it was painted red. I think that if the Police officer came out and saw that it was painted red it would be less of a discretionary thing, if a person is parked in a red zone there is no discretion. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. Commissioner Pyne – Is there a requirement for a specific amount of space in between houses at curb line that this would fall under? Is this a city problem that Tape #CTC-26.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  August 2006.1 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2006 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – August 9, 2006 Pg. 7 is now manifested into a neighborhood issue or is it something that should have been dealt with when they approved the permits for the driveway? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – As far as I know unlike at an intersection, one can legally park right up the top of the X at a driveway, unless it’s already painted red you can park wherever you can fit your vehicle. We handle these on an individual request basis because as far as we know these issues are pretty random. We get into problems where we have a situation like this where you can fit a normal size vehicle or compact car in an area like this, if you are a motorist you may think you can fit your car in here. If you’re visiting the person next door you may say I can hang my vehicle over their driveway cause I’m visiting them and they’re not going to call the Police on me. It all depends on the courtesy of an individual. The person to the south, while they do have one parking space in front of their house on the south side of the driveway, there is a fire hydrant in proximity to their property line. So they are somewhat limited to the number of vehicles they can put directly in front of their house. Chairman Beil – The street I grew up on in Orange had the same situation and luckily we never had parking problems but the situations are all over the city with that width between driveways. The concern I would have is if this becomes a normal thing of red curb through all of our residential neighborhoods on these short little pieces to eliminate that spot. ACTION: Denied the request. MOTION: J. Beil SECOND: J. Pyne AYES: Unanimous NOES: ABSTAIN: 2. Request for the implementation of “NO OVERNIGHT PARKING” restrictions on the 500 block of N. Wayfield St. and the 1900 block of E. Madison Ave. Dave Frizzle 525 N. Wayfield St. Orange CA 92867 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Richard Lowe – 1810 E. Madison Ave. – In favor of restrictions. I do believe these parking restrictions are needed, at a very minimum on Wayfield St. but I do Tape #CTC-26.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  August 2006.1 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2006 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – August 9, 2006 Pg. 8 believe the “NO OVERNIGHT PARKING” signs should be placed on both Wayfield St. and Madison Ave. This will be a little bit of a hardship on a few residents of these streets but it’s nothing that can’t be overcome. I have 3 vehicles and I have space in my driveway for 2 of them. I have two 4 x 4 posts that are holding up the roof of my garage and until that is fixed I can’t put a third vehicle in my garage. If these restrictions are approved it will prevent the overflow parking from Oak St. onto our streets. Chairman Beil – How do you plan to deal with your hardship if you can only park one or two vehicles in your driveway? What do you do with your third? Richard Lowe – 1810 E. Madison Ave. – I park on the street. If the parking restrictions are approved I will do whatever is necessary to resolve my problem. Two months ago only 2 of the Commissioners had vocal opinions, I’m hoping that won’t be the case again. Carol Acadiz – 1733 E. Madison Ave. – Opposed to parking restrictions. We don’t have a parking problem on our street. Dona Strader – 545 N. Wayfield St. – In favor of restrictions. My children are grown and when they try to come and visit me there is no place for them to park, so they don’t come that much. David Frizzle – 525 N. Wayfield St. – In favor of restrictions. I circulated this petition through the neighborhood and got signatures of residents on Wayfield St. that were in favor of the restrictions. The major problem is vehicles parking there after work, and these are vehicles from the people who live on Oak St., these are commercial trucks that are 2 ½ ton trucks. If you really squeeze them in you can get 3 trucks on the street in front of my house. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. Vice Chairman Lall – I’m a little perplexed as to why the residents aren’t going after a neighborhood permit parking program, it seems that would solve all the problems and give a world of flexibility for residents to have guests over and for residents to be able to park in the neighborhood. It solves all the problems much more effectively and efficiently than restricting all parking from 11 PM to 7 AM. I know that if this were in my neighborhood I would be looking at the permit- parking program versus this blanket parking restriction. Commissioner Dick – I am really loathe to take parking off the streets, it’s been my experience that there’s just not enough parking most anyplace you go, yet I also understand the frustration of wanting to have a BBQ and not being able to Tape #CTC-26.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  August 2006.1 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2006 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – August 9, 2006 Pg. 9 have your friends or family come to visit with you. I would hasten to say maybe you should run out and park your car on the street and let your neighbors do the same and then you could park in your driveways when your kids come to see you. As for the commercial vehicles, I cheated and I got some legal advise that said commercial vehicles aren’t supposed to be on residential streets anyway, parked overnight. Have you tried calling the police? Dave Frizzle – 525 N. Wayfield St. – I’ve called the police and they tell me it isn’t a commercial vehicle unless it’s over a certain size. Sergeant Sean O’Toole, OPD Traffic Bureau – The commercial vehicle ordinance refers to a specific size of vehicle. Your pick-up truck even with a service type body though commercially registered, would still be a legal vehicle. Commissioner Dick – I continue to be in support of Vice Chairman Lall’s remarks that apparently for $50 per household you can get permit parking, keep these people from parking there, provide plenty of parking for the area residents, I just think that makes so much sense. If we vote in favor of this we’re going to move these cars into another neighborhood and then that neighborhood is going to come down here, and if we vote in favor of that again they’re going to move to yet another neighborhood. If we do permit parking it provides the opportunity for everybody’s friends and family to come and visit with them and find a place to park. Commissioner Pyne – What we have seen is a process that has evolved to allow the citizens the restrictions they want now. If I recall 2 months ago their request for restrictions was quite specific in time where it would have been a burden for everyone in the neighborhood, and recommendations were made by the Commission back to the citizens that the time might be altered a little bit to give them a little more flexibility. I understand the parking permit issue was also brought up and even though we think it might be a good idea we don’t live there, they do live there and they don’t want it. So I don’t think we can impose something on them that they really don’t want or are interested in at this time. I’m surprised that it wasn’t a priority for the petitioner to make sure that he got the petitions back from Madison Ave., and in listening to the conversation there were 2 people on Madison that spoke and one wanted it and one didn’t. Commissioner Petronella – I agree with everything he said. People that have commercial vehicles should park them in their own driveways; I don’t care what size it is. Chairman Beil – I think I made my comments pretty clear last time. I think you did a good job in going around and queering some of your neighbors and finding out some of their thoughts and feeling on this. I’m pretty much in agreement Tape #CTC-26.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  August 2006.1 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2006 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – August 9, 2006 Pg. 10 with the Commissioners in that I just don’t agree with restricting overnight parking, I believe it’s a slippery slope and we don’t want to go down that path in the city, particularly with a lot of high-density dwelling units around the city. It will cause a tremendous burden on two-third’s of the residents of these neighborhoods. I just don’t think time restrictions are the way to go. You look at other cities and they have whole cities that are NO OVERNIGHT PARKING. I think Fullerton is one of those cities, we don’t know the history but we are surmising that it was done to deter crime. However, I don’t think Orange is ready to go there, that we start restricting overnight parking. We have some areas with no overnight parking around the city, those are areas that don’t have residences fronting that side of the curb. Commissioner Dick – Did the Police department have a recommendation? I know we had one from the staff but I did not know if we had one from the Police Dept. Sergeant O’Toole, OPD Traffic Bureau – We have requested parking enforcement to check on that neighborhood since the last meeting, they have evaluated the vehicles with commercial plates and it has been determined that they can be legally parked there as they were at the time. I believe they did mark a few vehicles for the 72-hour ordinance, I don’t believe we have towed or cited any vehicles after that time. Commissioner Dick – Well now I know what you did, but I don’t know if the Police Dept. has a recommendation. Sergeant Sean O’Toole, OPD Traffic Bureau – As far as a recommendation the important thing to understand in this type of request is that any enforcement of these parking restrictions would be on a call specific/complaint specific basis, any resident or guest parked in that area during a “NO PARKING” time is also at risk of a citation, they would not be exempt. Having seen the neighborhood parking permit program work it’s kind of the best of both worlds. I look at it as maybe some of the parking citations that may be issued and the fines associated may offset that fee down the road. ACTION: 1.) Approved the implementation of restricted parking “11 PM to 7 AM” on Wayfield St. btw Walnut Ave. and Orange Grove Ave. 2.) Denied the implementation of parking restrictions on Madison Ave. MOTION: J. Pyne SECOND: F. Petronella Tape #CTC-26.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  August 2006.1 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2006 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – August 9, 2006 Pg. 11 Vice Chairman Lall – I would like to comment on that motion, whereas I do not think this is the ideal situation, I think the neighborhood permit parking program is the best way to go. With the resistance of the community for that regard I can support the recommendation and go ahead as Commissioner Pyne presented it, but I suspect we will see you folks back here again wanting that parking permit program. Chairman Beil – My feeling is that it’s going to impact Madison and my suspicion is that Wayfield residents aren’t going to care. AYES: L. Dick, N. Lall, F. Petronella, J. Pyne NOES: J. Beil ABSTAIN: None 3. Request to re-configure the “All-Way” STOP control at the intersection of Spring Street and Esplanade St. Traffic Engineering Division Public Works Department CITY OF ORANGE Oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. There being no comments from the public, Chairman Beil opened the discussion of this request with the Commission: Commissioner Beil – I think you showed us a Master Plan and I think a number of us were very happy to see improvements being made to one of the most confusing dog-leg offset, cross-jurisdictional intersections. What I have seen is that this is a really good direction you’re moving in. Vice Chairman Lall – I like to commend staff on all the work they have done, this certainly has been an eyesore and an issue for years, and finally its being addressed appropriately. ACTION: Approved the request and re-configure the “All-Way” STOP to a “3-Way” STOP. MOTION: N. Lall SECOND: J. Beil AYES: Unanimous NOES: ABSTAIN: Tape #CTC-26.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  August 2006.1 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2006 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – August 9, 2006 Pg. 12 4. Request to implement a “Neighborhood Parking Permit Program” on both sides of Mayfair Avenue between Glassell St. and Grand St. Kristen Peterson 124 E. Mayfair Ave. Orange CA 92867 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Mark Buckles – 208 E. Mayfair Ave. – Opposed to permit parking. I live in the middle of the block and I’m opposed to parking restrictions when they’re not necessary. I’ve never seen a parking problem on this block, I’ve always been able to park in my driveway and garage, and I would say 80-90% there are parking spaces available on this 2 block section of roadway. There may be a few times on the weekends during parties that parking can be a little tough. This is an expense for people who live here. You have to pay a yearly fee, then you have to pay for each placard, it’s rather a hassle. Toni Newlon – 798 Red Robin (formerly at 133 E. Mayfair Ave). – I lived here 15 years and the parking had always been horrible. Since the parking was such a problem our realtor made us disclose this parking issue in our listing agreement notifying prospective buyers of the parking problem in the neighborhood. Kristen Peterson – 124 E. Mayfair Ave. – Supports the request. I have a big problem because of the apartments. We have never been able to park in front of our house because by the time we get home from work there’s nowhere left for us to park. Chapman University just bought the house at 701 & 701-A E. Mayfair Ave., they plan on turning that into an educational center so they have probably 5 parking stalls, but we’re not really sure if that is going to make this a bigger problem. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion: Chairman Beil – The area is part of the Chapman Specific Plan and the way to deal with all of Chapman’s build-out plans and potential parking problems that will arise. Tape #CTC-26.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  August 2006.1 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2006 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – August 9, 2006 Pg. 13 Vice Chairman Lall – I’m not in favor of permit parking, I prefer no restrictions as much as possible, but when there is a problem with parking and it is brought to our attention that would be my preferred solution, versus the no parking issues we were dealing with earlier in the meeting. Chairman Beil – For clarification purposes, is it an annual fee for the parking permits? Sergeant Sean O’Toole, OPD Traffic Bureau – There is a fee for issuance and it is $5 each permit and the term of the permit is 3 years. The current permits expire December ’06 at which time we change up. This is a per permit fee for the duration of either the residency or the 3 year term. Chairman Beil – I think the guidelines printed on the city’s website indicate up to 7 permits per household and 5 permits per apartment unit. Commissioner Petronella – So they don’t expire yearly, it’s a 3-year term? Sergeant O’Toole, OPD Traffic Bureau – The only permits that expire yearly are those issued to Chapman University students renting homes in the area, or properties Chapman owns and is renting out, those are specific color coded permits that make that very clear. ACTION: Approved the request. MOTION: L. Dick SECOND: F. Petronella AYES: Unanimous NOES: 777777777777777 End of Consideration Items 7777777777777777 V. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS None this meeting. VI. ADJOURNMENT After discussion of today’s Agenda the City Traffic Commission meeting was concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral Presentations, the Chairman adjourned this session of the City Traffic Commission. The next meeting of the City Traffic Commission is scheduled: Tape #CTC-26.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  August 2006.1 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2006 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – August 9, 2006 Pg. 14 5:30 P.M. Tuesday – September 5, 2006 Respectfully submitted, CITY OF ORANGE Phyllis Then, Recording Secretary Traffic Engineering Division pthen@cityoforange.org CITY OF ORANGE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT 300 E. CHAPMAN AVENUE ORANGE CA 92866 PH: (714) 744-5536 FAX: (714) 744-5573 Tape #CTC-26.06 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  August 2006.1 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2006 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper