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Minutes of a Regular Meeting: June 14, 2006
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I. OPENING
A. Flag Pledge
B. Roll Call
Present – Commissioners: J. Beil, N. Lall, F. Petronella, J. Pyne, L. Dick
Present – Staff: T. Mahood, D. Allenbach, W. Winthers, Sgt. S. O’Toole, P. Then
C. Approval of Minutes
May 10, 2006
ACTION: Approved with correction to pg. 11, first sentence of final
paragraph, delete “elite” and replace with “heavy”.
MOTION: N. Lall
SECOND: F. Petronella
AYES: J. Beil, N. Lall, F. Petronella
ABSTAIN: J. Pyne, L. Dick
II. ORAL PRESENTATIONS
None this meeting.
III. CONSENT CALENDAR
A. Request for the installation of “2-HOUR” time limit parking on Cypress St.
adjacent to the business at 335 W. Chapman Ave.
David Black
335 W. Chapman Ave.
Orange CA 92866
ACTION: Approved the request and install a “2-HOUR” time limit parking
zone on Cypress St. adjacent to the business at 335 W. Chapman
Ave.
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B. Request for the installation of red curb markings on both sides of the driveway
at 182 S. Pepper St.
Clarissa Saiz
182 S. Pepper St.
Orange CA 92867
ACTION: Approved the installation of 15 feet of red curb on both sides of
the subject driveway.
C. Request for the installation of red curb markings on both sides of the driveway
serving 576/588 N. Glassell St.
Barbara McGuire
576 N. Glassell St.
Orange CA 92867
ACTION: Approved the installation of 25 feet of red curb on both sides of
the subject driveway.
D. Request to prohibit left turns from southbound Santiago Boulevard at
Brookside Avenue/Ralph’s Shopping Center driveway.
Nick Lall, Vice Chairman
City Traffic Commission
CITY OF ORANGE
ACTION: Continued until the Sept. 13, 2006 Traffic Commission meeting.
There being no speakers from the audience requesting any item be heard
separately, the Chairman closed the public hearing and returned the items to
the Commission for further discussion and a motion.
ACTION: Approved items A, B & C of the Consent Calendar, and continue
item #D until the September 13, 2006 Traffic Commission
meeting.
MOTION: L. Dick
SECOND: N. Lall
AYES: Unanimous
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IV. CONSIDERATION ITEMS
1. Request for the implementation of a Neighborhood Parking Permit program on
both sides of the 200 block of N. Olive St. and the north side of Maple Ave. from
115 W. Maple Ave. to Olive St.
Anke Vogelvang
288 N. Olive St.
Orange CA 92866
The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your
copy. There being no speakers from the audience the Chairman closed the
public hearing and returned the items to the Commission for further
discussion and a motion.
Chairman Beil – I think this is one that perfectly applies to the Parking Permit
Program for Old Towne, the Chapman University area. It is heavily parked; I’m
going to support this.
ACTION: Approved the request to implement the parking permit program
on both sides of the 200 block of N. Olive St. and the north side
of Maple Ave. from 115 W. Maple Ave. to Olive St.
MOTION: N. Lall
SECOND: F. Petronella
AYES: Unanimous
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
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2. Request for the installation of an “All-Way” STOP control at the intersection of
Olive St. and Palm Ave.
Anke Vogelvang
288 N. Olive St.
Orange CA 92866
The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your
copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion:
Ted Robinson, 236 N. Olive St. – (Absentee property owner) – I wonder if any
consideration has been given that with the film school that will open next year,
and also I didn’t hear any mention of pedestrian traffic. I use that intersection 3
or 4 times a day and there’s always people crossing here, this is a busy
intersection and it’s going to get busier when the film school opens.
The chairman closed the public hearing and returned the item to the
Commission for further discussion and a motion.
ACTION:
1. Denied the request for an “All-Way” STOP control
2. Approved the installation of 30 feet of red curb markings on the
southeast corner of the intersection. Add “CROSS TRAFFIC DOES NOT
STOP” plate to the existing STOP signs on Palm Ave. and Olive St.
MOTION: L. Dick
SECOND: N. Lall
AYES: Unanimous
NOES:
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3. Request for the implementation of “NO OVERNIGHT PARKING” restrictions on the
500 block of N. Wayfield St. and the 1900 block of E. Madison Ave.
Dave Frizzle
525 N. Wayfield St.
Orange CA 92867
The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your
copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion:
The following people spoke as opposing the overnight parking restriction.
George Tastard, 1721 E. Madison Ave. – I rent out this house. We live on a cul-
de-sac and at the end of the street there is a liquor store, across the street, there’s
a business right next to me, it’s a foot doctor, behind me there is a furniture store
and we don’t have any problem parking there at night, for us. I can see their
point, their concerns are legitimate. If they’re going to put in these no parking
signs they don’t need to put them in all the way to the end of the cul-de-sac. I
would be upset too if someone was parked all weekend in front of my house
when they had no business being there, it’s a bad situation for everybody. Isn’t
there a city-owned empty lot on Walnut before the freeway, they could make
that into a parking lot.
Diane Bunton, 1810 E. Orange Grove Ave. – The street I live on isn’t part of what
you’re talking about but if you have this take effect everybody parking over
there is going to park over on my street. I’m over on Orange Grove and we
already have it totally impacted we have many families with lots of cars so its
pretty much all filled up at night so there’s not going to be any additional room
for any more vehicles to park so I object to the whole idea of the restricted
parking because the people have to park somewhere. I don’t know how they’re
going to handle people coming from other neighborhoods and parking but in our
own neighborhood alone there’s lots of people that have to use on-street parking
because otherwise there’s no place to park their cars. If there are commercial
vehicles parking in the area that’s already illegal and I think they need to maybe
issue more tickets.
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Caroline A. Cadiz, 1733 E. Madison Ave. – There are a lot of cars at times on the
street but I have a handicapped brother that my sister and I take care of, usually
she goes home about 8:30 or 10:00 so she would have to find parking somewhere
else and last week my daughter was visiting from out of town, they wouldn’t
have had any parking at night. With permit parking would each person get the
whole front of their house to permit only for them or would other people also get
to park there with permits?
Chairman Beil – If you have a permit you can park anywhere in the parking
permit zone.
Caroline A. Cadiz, 1733 E. Madison Ave. – So you wouldn’t be guaranteed a
spot?
Chairman Beil – Nothing assures you of a spot when you get home.
The following people support the overnight parking restriction.
Bill Telkamp, 535 N. Wayfield St. – The parking on Wayfield St. has been good
until the last 2-3 years when Oak St. started to fill up and now they’re starting to
spill over to Wayfield St., Madison St. and its beginning to look like a use car lot
in the evening. I fully object to that and I would support Dave Frizzle’s request
that the time be from 11:30 pm to 7:00 am this will allow the families in the
neighborhood to have whatever they need for street parking.
Dona Strader, 545 N. Wayfield St. – I have 4 children and if they come to visit me
there’s no room to park. I have grandchildren and I have to go see them because
there’s nowhere for them to park if they come to my house. I would like
something done so my children can come and see me.
Don Strader, 545 N. Wayfield – They said everything I had to say, I do support
the parking restriction. I think it’s pretty bad when they park a great big U-Haul
truck on the street for the weekend.
David Frizzel, 525 Wayfield St. – This was an R-1 zoned area when I bought my
home and on Sunday night at 8 pm on Madison St. there were 30 cars in that
small area and that is not counting the cars in the driveway. On the 500 block of
Wayfield St. there were 26 cars plus cars parked in the garage with the doors
down. Two of houses are vacant one on Wayfield St. and one on Madison St.
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and some of these are being used commercially and multi-family units and one
on Madison is being used for college students at Chapman University and they
4-5 students living there and they have to park people out on the street and that
would interfere with them, that is not a commercial area, it’s zoned for R-1
single-family residences. On Oak St. on Saturday night where most of the
problems arise, these people overflow, of the 30 cars parked on Wayfield that
night there were 3 commercial vehicles, one of them was long enough that it took
up all 3 parking spaces in front of my home, they came in on Friday night and
they parked there until Monday morning and they left sometime about 6-7 am
on Monday. I went over on Oak St. just to see what was going that Sunday night
and there were 161 cars parked on the 300-400 block of Oak St., and that is a big
batch of cars. They come over from Oak St. starting on Friday night and there
were 3 commercial trucks parked there and these people drive them home from
work and then park them over the weekend and then they drive their regular
vehicles and just leave the other trucks parked there until Monday morning. By
8:30 p.m. Sunday there was not 1 unused parking space available on Wayfield
and Madison at 4:30 a.m. Monday the police was notified about an alarm going
off, that alarm went off from 4:30 a.m. to 9:30 a.m. The police officer came over
at 9:00 a.m. at my request and ran a check on the owner of the vehicle and it was
registered to an address over on Oak St. The residents of the house where this
vehicle was parked and the alarm was sounding has 2 small children whose
bedrooms are in the front of the house and that noise kept her and her 2 children
up all night. We feel something has to be don there and after I talked about the
NO OVERNIGHT parking from 11:30 pm to 7:00 am so the residents could have
company and they could park on the street and we didn’t want it from 7 pm to
7 am but from 11:30 pm to 7:00 am would keep people from other neighborhoods
from parking there overnight. A lot of these cars from Oak St. have leaking
radiators and you find overflow from coolant, oil and water and it makes our
neighborhood look bad. I’ve lived in this neighborhood for 41 years and I’ve
kept my property up and I don’t like these junky cars coming over and parking
for 3 days.
Vice Chairman Lall - The parking permit is not an option at this time, we are
only dealing with the restricted parking right now.
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Richard Lowe, 1810 E. Madison Ave. – we originally moved into a quiet
residential neighborhood and that neighborhood has changed into a growing
community of overloaded rental property along with the vehicles that come from
that overloading. There are small businesses being operated from homes with a
multitude of vehicles associated with construction trades and they fill up the
streets. That’s from within the residents of that area itself. The overflow from
whatever is going on at Oak St. that tremendous overcrowding along that length
of road is moving in and taking up residential parking space on the streets. I
expect to be able to come home in the evening or our guests on a Sunday
afternoon being able to park in front of my house. That is disappearing and it’s a
2-part problem and I’m hoping with the installation of these ‘NO PARKING’ signs
that will alleviate the problem cause there sure isn’t a problem parking on those
streets on Thursday morning when the street sweeper comes.
Chairman Beil – Has there been any consideration given to implementing permit
parking program in the area?
Richard Lowe, 1810 E. Madison Ave. – I only have a vague knowledge of permit
parking. I understand it would be harder to enforce, and I think it’s costly for
people in the parking permit program area.
Chairman Beil – There is an initial fee and then acquiring the actual permits,
there’s certain limits as to the number of permits per household, we have quite a
bit of it in other areas of Orange, the Chapman University area has a huge permit
parking program, and I believe we’ve got it down now in the City where it is
effective. I’m just curious as to the feelings of your neighbors?
Richard Lowe, 1810 E. Madison Ave. – I’d welcome feedback on any other
options, one comment would be to say NO PARKING from 7 pm to 7 am will be a
hardship on a few people, some who are absentee property owners, and some
people like me will have to make accommodations, but everybody there has a 2-
car garage and at least space in the driveway for 2 vehicles.
The chairman closed the public hearing and returned the item to the
Commission for further discussion and a motion.
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Commissioner Dick – If in fact the residents are interested restricting the parking
overnight I can see the reason they would like to restrict it as late in the evening
as possible to allow them to have guests over in the evenings, and then for them
to be able to come and go. I agree that this might be a solution and would
recommend it be approved, with a modification of time limit.
Vice Chairman Lall – I’d have to comment along the same lines that 7 pm to 7 am
would be as harmful to the homeowners as it would be to solve the problem.
Moving it to 11:30 pm I think will allow some latitude for homeowners to have
guests over and still work on solving this problem.
Commissioner Dick – There’s a lady who remarked about a potential hardship
because of a handicapped brother, could we make an exception and put in a
handicapped space at the curb? I don’t know if you can do that if it says NO
PARKING.
Tom Mahood, City Traffic Engineer –Generally handicap parking is exempt from
time restrictions. In this case it’s not as simple as that, there would have to be a
concrete landing put in the parkway adjacent to where the handicap parking stall
would be located, providing a safe area for loading and unloading passengers,
this is done by the homeowner requesting the handicap space under the terms of
an encroachment permit from the City. We typically don’t post the signs until
after that landing is installed.
Commissioner Dick – If someone were to approach us with this sort of thing I
would be tempted to vote in favor of such a petition.
Tom Mahood – It should be processed as a separate request and not part of
another request, and we would do a separate investigation. We do about 3 or 4
of these a year.
Chairman Beil – What about the enforcement of that?
Sergeant O’Toole, OPD Traffic Bureau – The speaker spoke of her sister coming
to assist her with a handicap resident, not being an actual handicapped driver.
Enforcement in that area being at night time is primarily going to be call driven,
residents making complaints of violations because there is no regular parking
control during those hours.
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Chairman Beil – I have a lot of empathy with you cause I see the spillover going
on and there is a horrendous amount of densification of a lot of our housing in
Orange, particularly in areas where there are apartment complexes, there are
extremely high occupancy levels in multi-family housing units such as on Oak
St., however we have a whole bunch of those things happening all around the
City. You’ve seen the actual discussion regarding occupancy rates in various
types of residences, that’s a lively debate and it is happening because of this type
of spillover happening in our well-established communities. My position is that
I don’t really see a timed parking restriction as the cure; I’m trying to find out
feedback on a permit-parking program. I think the appropriate way to really
deal with this is to get the residents together in this area including Madison,
Wayfield and as far down on Orange Grove as you want, and talk about
establishing a neighborhood parking permit program. There is an initial
application fee to conduct the studies then you have to go out and survey
everybody in the permit parking area and get at least 51% in favor, that gets your
whole neighborhood buy-in on that, you would then purchase parking permits.
I don’t really think time restrictions are the way to go because time restrictions is
going to start happening all over Orange where we have densification spillover
and the result of that is that a lot of people who are really put under a lot of
hardship regardless of time that you put those in, people who work at night, if
you make it 11:30 pm or midnight people are going to have to go out and move
their car in the middle of the night. I’m sure residents will be cited out there if
this happens. I would like to recommend a continuance to explore the possibility
of a discussion with the neighborhood on a parking permit program.
Commissioner Dick – It makes sense to me.
Vice Chairman Lall – That was my initial thought.
Chairman Beil – My position will be to deny this action as presented and really
recommend to the residents that you talk to staff and get all the details on a
parking permit program, it is very successful in other parts of Orange, as far as
rental properties and how that all works.
Commissioner Pyne – I understand where you’re coming from and I agree with
the fact that sitting here it seems that the parking restriction is not a fix, it’s
almost cutting off your nose to spite your face. But the item we’re dealing with
has to do with restricted time parking and the better of 2 evils would be to go
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along with their request modifying the time of the restriction and see if this
works. If it doesn’t work we have different options down the line, but I had
heard some discuss that there could possibly be the monetary requirement that
has to be paid in order for the studies might be restrictive for the residents.
Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – Application fee for permit parking is
$965. In the past, generally, neighbors will pass the hat through the
neighborhood and the contact person will come in and we will get one check
from that person, but the neighborhood has contributed some amount of money
toward that application fee so that one person isn’t bearing the entire cost. If the
motion is approved there is also a very nominal fee for the actual parking
permits but its very inexpensive after that. The main thing is the application fee,
which covers the generation of the permit, establishing the area and performing
our study and presenting it to the Traffic Commission.
Chairman Beil – You say enforcement of time restrictions is call generated, we’re
not going to be out there routinely patrolling for parking violations that time of
night.
Sergeant Sean O’Toole – You may get a few patrol officers, and we do have a few
late hour traffic cops who tend to get through the area periodically, but in most
of these residential neighborhoods the majority of our citations issued are
generated on a call for service basis. They are prioritized response based upon
the dispatch protocol for life threatening emergencies, and everything else.
Chairman Beil – Can you comment also about the commercial vehicle parking?
Sergeant Sean O’Toole – It is duly noted on my notebook to get some
enforcement in there on the weekend, we have daytime parking control on the
weekends and we’ll have them respond to that area.
Tom Mahood, City Traffic Engineer – When the application first came in was
permit parking discussed with the proponent?
Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – Our initial contact was at the counter
in Public Works and he had asked about some type of control because the
demand for on-street parking. We suggested permit parking and when the issue
of the application fee was raised he felt at that time that the neighborhood would
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not go for it. The other alternative was to restrict the parking in general during
nighttime hours, and we pointed out to him that if such an action was approved
by the Traffic Commission that it would affect everyone, whether they lived in
the neighborhood or not. So if you’re on the street and there is a call for service
they will be cited whether they live in the neighborhood or not. Based on that
information the proponent felt that it would probably be better for the
neighborhood, and maybe more of the neighbors would be in favor of nighttime
parking restriction rather than permits.
Chairman Beil – The way I’m leaning is to either continue it so there is more
dialogue before any final decisions is made, or just deny it and hope you come
back with an alternative. I’ll make the motion to continue the items to allow time
for the neighborhood learn a little bit about the permit parking program as an
option, and there are a lot more affected residents in this than the group that
showed up here, so I think there needs to be a lot of dialogue in the
neighborhood because time restrictions will adversely affect people.
Commissioner Dick – Has Commissioner Pyne’s motion been seconded?
Chairman Beil – It had not been yet.
Commissioner Dick – That being the case I would second the Chairman’s motion
to continue this until the August meeting.
Vice Chairman Lall – I believe that permit parking is the more appropriate way
of approaching this, and I hope the residents will look into this seriously and
would support that.
ACTION: Continued this item to the August 9, 2006 CTC meeting.
MOTION: J. Beil
SECOND: L. Dick
AYES: J. Beil, L. Dick, F. Petronella, N. Lall
NOES: J. Pyne
ABSTAIN:
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4. Request for the installation of a “handicapped” parking space in front of 4500
W. Tiller Ave.
Lloyd Edmondson
4500 W. Tiller Ave.
Orange CA 92868
The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your
copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion:
Chairman Beil – One thing that struck me as was where to have them place the
concrete pad, that is public right-of-way isn’t it?
Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – As you can see in the exhibit the block
wall ends roughly at the public right-of-way, it’s the same on the other side of
the street. In the neighborhood however, some people have built fences up to the
curb line while other have anticipated sidewalk at some future date, and have
ended their block walls or fences back about 6 ft. from the curb face.
Commissioner Petronella – Has the proponent been notified that if someone else
with a handicap placard comes along they have the right to park there?
Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – We did notify the proponent that most
likely it will be him or members of his family that will be utilizing the spot. If the
spot is vacant and there is somebody else in the area that has handicap markings
on their vehicle they will be allowed to use the space, and he was fine with that.
The chairman closed the public hearing and returned the item to the
Commission for further discussion and a motion.
ACTION: Approved the request pending the installation of a 22-foot long
concrete landing area in the parkway.
MOTION: J. Beil
SECOND: F. Petronella
AYES: Unanimous
NOES:
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V. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS
None this meeting.
VI. ADJOURNMENT
After discussion of today’s Agenda the City Traffic Commission meeting was
concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral
Presentations, the Chairman adjourned this session of the City Traffic
Commission.
The next meeting of the City Traffic Commission is scheduled:
5:30 P.M.
Wednesday – August 9, 2006
Respectfully submitted,
CITY OF ORANGE
Phyllis Then, Recording Secretary
Traffic Engineering Division
pthen@cityoforange.org
CITY OF ORANGE
PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
300 E. CHAPMAN AVENUE
ORANGE CA 92866
PH: (714) 744-5536
FAX: (714) 744-5573
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