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Home My WebLink About02-14-2007 - Minutes TCCITY OF ORANGE CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION Minutes of a Regular Meeting: February 14, 2007 Tape #CTC-27.01 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. I. OPENING A. Flag Pledge B. Roll Call Present – Commissioners: J. Beil, L. Dick, N. Lall, J. Pyne, W. King Present – Staff: A. Farahani, D. Allenbach, W. Winthers, Sgt. D. Adams, P. Then Absent – Staff: T. Mahood C. Introduction of new Traffic Commissioner – Wayne King D. Approval of Minutes December 13, 2006 ACTION: Approved as published by the Recording Secretary. MOTION: N. Lall SECOND: J. Beil AYES: J. Beil, N. Lall, J. Pyne ABSTAIN: W. King II. ORAL PRESENTATIONS None this meeting. III. CONSENT CALENDAR A single motion enacts all Consent Items unless requested to be heard separately. A. Review City Traffic Commission’s Annual Activity Report for 2006. Traffic Engineering Division CITY OF ORANGE ACTION: Receive and file the report. Feb ‘07 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2007 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission –February 14, 2007 Pg. 2 B. Request for “2-HOUR” time limit parking on Sycamore Ave. and Olive St. in front of the Korean Baptist Church. Inn Chul Kim, Sr. Pastor Korean Baptist Church 145 W. Sycamore Ave. Orange CA 92866 ACTION: Approved the request to install 57 ft. of green curb on Sycamore Ave. and 70 ft. of green curb on Olive St. in front of the Korean Baptist Church for “2-HOUR” parking. MOTION: J. Pyne SECOND: N. Lall AYES: Unanimous C. Request for “NO STOPPING ANYTIME” restriction in the cul-de-sac at the southerly end of the 100 block of N. Center St. adjacent to the Library. Traffic Engineering Division CITY OF ORANGE ACTION: Approved the installation of “NO STOPPING ANYTIME” restrictions for the cul-de-sac on the 100 block of N. Center St. There were no speakers from the audience and no discussion of any of these 3 reports. MOTION: L. Dick SECOND: J. Pyne AYES: Unanimous 77777777777777777 End of Consent Items 777777777777777777 Tape #CTC-27.01 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Feb ‘07 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2007 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission –February 14, 2007 Pg. 3 IV. CONSIDERATION ITEMS 1. Request for a “LOADING” zone on Grand St. in front of the First Presbyterian Church of Orange. Bill Teachout First Presbyterian Church of Orange 191 N. Orange St. Orange CA 92866 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. There was no discussion of this request. ACTION: 1) Approved the installation of 22 ft. of yellow curb adjacent to 146 N. Grand St. 2) Approved the installation of 60 ft. of red curb adjacent to the pedestrian access ramp on Grand St. located 200 ft. south of Maple Ave. MOTION: L. Dick SECOND: N. Lall AYES: Unanimous 2. Request for the implementation of a written policy regulating the installation of illuminated radar speed signs. Traffic Engineering Division CITY OF ORANGE The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Chairman Beil – Does this policy go to Council for approval? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – It’s my understanding that it does not have to go to Council, this is an in-house policy. We wanted some documentation because when we get requests from residents we can tell them why we are going to put a sign in the area, or why we can’t. Chairman Beil – I guess the Council would have the ability to override the policy on their vote, I guess that can happen. Tape #CTC-27.01 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Feb ‘07 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2007 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission –February 14, 2007 Pg. 4 Wayne Winthers, Asst. City Attorney – Of course the Council can override pretty much anything you set up. If they decide they wanted it somewhere, an item could be appealed to the Council. I think what would happen is if someone came here for a sign and it was denied then that could be appealed to the Council, and they might be able to get it through that route. Chairman Beil – That’s what I’m wondering if we should call this a policy or guidelines. Wayne Winthers, Asst. City Attorney –I don’t think is really binding either way, I think you’re right that if the department wanted to override it they could in certain situations, they would be binding either way. It gives them the opportunity to tell the public why we don’t think it should go on your street, and this is the direction we are getting from the Commission. Chairman Beil – Is there any input from the Police Dept., how do you guys like these signs so far? Sgt. Dan Adams – We absolutely like them. I think it’s a great tool, these are even a greater tool than the trailer we currently have, because they can store data and allow us to identify good times for enforcement. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for a motion. ACTION: Approved the policy as written. MOTION: J. Pyne SECOND: L. Dick AYES: Unanimous 3. Request for the installation of an additional “1-HOUR” time limit parking space on Walnut Ave. adjacent to 505 N. Glassell St., and the installation of two “1-HOUR” time limit parking spaces in front of 513 N. Glassell St. Mike Coakley 513 N. Glassell St. Orange, CA 92866 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Tape #CTC-27.01 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Feb ‘07 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2007 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission –February 14, 2007 Pg. 5 Mike Coakley, 513 N. Glassell St. – We are opening the new Chapman Coffee House on this corner and we hope to get a lot of brief visitors coming in, we are relying on foot traffic that exists there already. I thank you for recommending the replacement of 20 ft. of parking. We do feel strongly about having that parking space on the Glassell frontage returned, I understand the opposition for people backing out, I don’t know why that would be any different than anyone coming out of their driveway on Glassell St. We have quite a need for any temporary parking as this is the first substantial business located at this corner for quite some time, if ever. There was a green zone there before and I propose it be put back. Commissioner Pyne – On this matter I side with the proponent in the fact that this is a coffee shop and people are going to be stopping in, having a couple of spaces in front would certainly be an advantage to his business. Do we have any statistics or anything showing a past accident picture with people backing out of the driveways at this location? I understand your concern because right now it’s a chiropractic office but I’m not sure how busy that driveway would be, if it would be enough to facilitate making an issue for a new business moving in right there. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – I don’t have any information at this particular area. There has been several accidents up and down the street, and the area where we allow parking is heavily parked during the day. If the Commission is leaning toward allowing an on-street parking space, I would suggest perhaps only one space, and that it be time limit parking. The one thing to keep in mind is that 1-HOUR parking is available during business hours; at night anybody can park there all night long. I would assume the chiropractic office is going to be closed during those times, but there is another house at 513 N. Glassell St., and I’m not sure if that’s going to be a residence or another business, with traffic coming in and out during the evening. They are also closer to Glassell St., however, their line-of-sight would be less acute because there is red curb south of the bus stop. Chairman Beil – Even on the slot, 34 ft. of green, that’s one car? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – No the total area is 34 ft. long, our end stalls on a public street are about 18 ft., so you could basically fit 2 cars in that spot, but they would be right up to both drive approaches. I propose you allow only one parking space in the middle of that 34 ft. area, and that would allow us a few feet of red curb on either side. This would make a better turning radius for people going in and out of that driveway, and give them some sight distance when they’re backing out. Tape #CTC-27.01 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Feb ‘07 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2007 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission –February 14, 2007 Pg. 6 ACTION: 1) Aproved adding one space of “1-HOUR” on-street parking on Glassell St. allowing for appropriate red curbs on either side of that space. 2) Approved the installation of an additional “1-HOUR” time limit parking space on Walnut Ave. adjacent to this new business. Chairman Beil – Regarding the Walnut Ave. green zone, 34 ft. you could probably get two cars in there. You also mentioned that at night it’s no longer a time limit parking zone, is this in a permit parking area? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – There is a permit area easterly along Orange St. and Grand St. adjacent to the Chapman Dorms, but the area adjacent to the coffee house itself would not come under the permit area, as they are a commercial use they are not allowed permits. In the evening, after business hours, this becomes an open area. Also, keep in mind that it’s still a public street and the only thing we have done is limit the amount of time one can park in these areas, and anybody, college students or coffee house patrons are allowed to park there. Chairman Beil – What time are the green zones in effect? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – I believe it’s 7 am to 6 pm, Monday through Saturday. Chairman Beil – So at 6 pm the student who drives in and gets the green spot at 5:55 or 5:30 pm even and gets the cup of coffee, can park there up until he leaves class at 10:00 pm? Dave Allenbach, Transportaton Analyst – That’s right. Chairman Beil – I just want to make it clear that’s one of the realities of what will happen, because it’s also not part of the permit parking area. MOTION: J. Pyne SECOND: J. Beil AYES: Unanimous Tape #CTC-27.01 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Feb ‘07 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2007 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission –February 14, 2007 Pg. 7 4. Request for the installation of additional red curb markings on the north side of Meats Ave. on both sides of Pine St. Norene Gill 802 E. Burton Ave. Orange CA 92865 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Norene Gill, 802 E. Burton Ave. – I would appreciate it you would approve the red curb. You can’t see oncoming traffic to the right when you come out. Maria Pate, 806 E. Burton Ave. – To get out of the intersection in either direction it’s really difficult to see because on many days there are SUVs parked there and it’s dangerous trying to get out. You really have to pull out into the intersection into a lane of traffic to see any oncoming traffic. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and/or a motion: ACTION: Approved the installation of 45 ft. of red curb on both sides of Pine St. at Meats Ave. MOTION: N. Lall SECOND: J. Pyne AYES: Unanimous 777777777777777 End of Consideration Items 7777777777777777 V. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS None this meeting. Tape #CTC-27.01 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Feb ‘07 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2007 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission –February 14, 2007 Pg. 8 VI. ADJOURNMENT After discussion of today’s Agenda the City Traffic Commission meeting was concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral Presentations, the Chairman adjourned this session of the City Traffic Commission. The next meeting of the City Traffic Commission is scheduled: 5:30 P.M. Wednesday - March 14, 2007 Respectfully submitted, CITY OF ORANGE Phyllis Then, Recording Secretary Traffic Engineering Division pthen@cityoforange.org CITY OF ORANGE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT 300 E. CHAPMAN AVENUE ORANGE CA 92866 PH: (714) 744-5536 FAX: (714) 744-5573 Tape #CTC-27.01 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Feb ‘07 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2007 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper