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HomeMy WebLinkAbout10-08-2008 - Minutes TCCITY OF ORANGE CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION Minutes of a Regular Meeting: October 8, 2008 Tape #CTC-28.10 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  Oct. ‘o8[N:/Traffic/CTC/2008 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper I. OPENING A. Flag Pledge B. Roll Call Present – Commissioners: J. Beil, L. Dick, W. King, N. Lall Absent – Commissioners: J. Pyne Present –Staff: A. Farahani, D. Allenbach, W. Winthers, Sgt. D. Adams, P. Then C. Approval of Minutes  May 14, 2008 ACTION: Approved as published by the Recording Secretary. MOTION: W. King SECOND: J. Beil AYES: J. Beil, L. Dick W. King, ABSTAIN: N. Lall  September 10, 2008 ACTION: Approved as published by the Recording Secretary. MOTION: L. Dick SECOND: N. Lall AYES: J. Beil, L. Dick, N. Lall, W. King ABSENT: None II. ORAL PRESENTATIONS None this meeting. III. CONSENT CALENDAR None this month.  End of Consent Items  Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – October 8, 2008 Pg. 2 Tape #CTC-28.10 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  Oct. ‘08 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2008 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper IV. CONSIDERATION ITEMS 1. Request for the installation of red curb markings on both sides of the driveway serving the duplex at 1502 E. Adams Ave. Marion Norred Cerro Villa Dr. Villa Park, Ca 92861 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Millie Shuler, 1502 E. Adams Ave. – In favor of red curbs. It seems as though that street was loaded with cars, now there are less, but that doesn’t mean that it won’t happen again once everyone goes back to work. This is adjacent to Shattuck St. and the cars park right up to within 8-10 inches of our driveway, and it is dangerous because when we try to pull out of the driveway we have no option. If there’s an 8 ft. or 10 ft. van here and a big van over there you cannot see east or west. The van is usually 8-9 ft. wide and by the time you pull out 8-9 ft. to be able to see down the street your car is 5 ft. in front of you. It’s interesting, once I made my application to Dave, I went outside and found the red curb painted down by the curve by Lincoln coming into Adams. There is a fire hydrant there and it has always been honored, and no one ever parks there. Beyond the STOP sign there is another 8-10 ft. red curb. There is no red curb on the other 3 sides by the STOP sign. It is dangerous and all the other condo driveways have red curbs. Kiki Chryssogelos, Brea, I’m the owner of two units on E. Adams Ave. I’m here to support both Marion and Millie. Her trash service is a different than mine. When she brings her trash cans out and places them in front of her unit if there are cars there the trash collector cannot get to them, so she has to move them all the way down to the end of the corner of Adams & Lincoln. From her perspective if you could red curb that whole area from the fire hydrant all the way down to the curve it would make it easier at least for one side. We would love both sides so it appears symmetrical. Marion Norred, Villa Park – In favor of the red curb. I am the ow ner of the duplex in question and several months ago I got a call from Millie, my tenant, who was concerned that she was having difficulty getting out of the driveway , and she stated how dangerous it was. Give it consideration to do one side, because the trash can situation is an issue. I believe the curbs up the street have been painted so they’ve been given that ability. I’ve been there randomly and on some days I think it’s great that there is so much parking available and then there are days you cannot park on the street. When a tenant calls and tells you she fears for her life when she is exiting her driveway it is a big concern, and it should be a Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – October 8, 2008 Pg. 3 Tape #CTC-28.10 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  Oct. ‘08 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2008 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper concern for everybody, because now it has been brought to your attention and if an accident happens you don’t want to say, I think they came and spoke to us. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. Vice-Chairman Lall – I was out there this afternoon at 4 p.m. and parking was pretty heavy. The area between the fire hydrant and the driveway was open. On the corner of Shattuck there are cars even parked on the corners so it seems to me there is a parking issue. They are parked very close to the driveway. On the other hand, the speeds I observed were very slow. I’d hate to take away too much parking from that area, but giving a little bit of room on the east side would enhance safety here. Chairman Beil – That was my thought too. Looking at how it was laid out and with the speed of the cars coming west on Adams, the visibility could be enhanced. The whole area is completely over-parked which is typical of the apartment and duplex areas in Orange that have too many vehicles and too many people living in them. Commissioner Dick – I am loath to remove parking, we have multiple tenants living here and they have people who want to visit during the holidays. I’ve looked at the traffic accident reports and we’ve had none this year. Going back to 2005 we had some side-swipes, but I’d be willing to go from the fire hydrant to the driveway, and you’ll have to concentrate on right-turns. Chairman Beil – I believe Vice-Chairman Lall was possibly allowing some red on the east side of the driveway opposite the fire hydrant. That was my thoughts also. But I want to ask a question of staff, the red curb 17 ft. from the fire hydrant, that’s not for the fire hydrant I’m assuming, is that just the typical vision zone for the STOP intersection? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – I don’t know how the field crew measured this. You’re not allowed to park within 15 ft. of a fire hydrant. Typically you would put 20 ft. of red curb on either side of a driveway that is one car length. In this case, if you elected to place red curb on the west side of the driveway we would want to install 23 ft., because you wouldn’t have a useable parking space left. Commissioner Dick – If I’m looking at this correctly, if I’m pulling out and I look to my left and I can see the fire hydrant then I can see oncomi ng traffic, that would be safer and then I would look to the right. I’m still going with the 23 ft. of red curb. Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – October 8, 2008 Pg. 4 Tape #CTC-28.10 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  Oct. ‘08 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2008 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Chairman Beil – If you had to have one, what would be of the most concern, looking to the east or to the west? If you’re coming out of the d riveway as shown in the picture? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst –If it were me, I would take the section directly in front of the proponent’s house or on the west side of the driveway. The eastbound vehicles are closer to that side of the road and line of sight is more acute, therefore if someone is parked in that area it’s going to be harder to see an oncoming vehicle. If I had to do only one I would take that side of the driveway. ACTION: Approved the installation of 23 feet of red curb adjacent to the current red curb painted at the fire hydrant, (westerly side). MOTION: L. Dick SECOND: N. Lall AYES: J. Beil, L. Dick, N. Lall NOES: W. King ABSTAIN: None 2. Request for the installation of red curb markings at the intersection of Briardale Ave. and Shattuck Pl. Jo Martin N. Shattuck Pl. Orange, Ca 92856 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Edwin Burns, N. Shattuck Pl,. – In favor of request. (Presented photographs of parked vehicles.) This is the best proposal for this neighborhood that I’ve seen in the last 20 years. In the last few years it has become a problem on Saturday, not too much on Sunday, and occasionally during the week. On Saturday, (refers to photographs from Shattuck Pl. looking east toward Tustin St.) the second photograph shows looking from Briardale toward Tustin St. and it shows the car coming down, and nobody from Shattuck could have seen that car until it was right at them. Up to now the record has been good, I know there have been accidents at that corner because my daughter was involved in one of them with a moped. On Saturday that is a common occurrence. If nothing else I would like to see red curb for Saturday’s, just like those little signs that say “On Monday No Parking for Street Sweeping.” Joan Ashworth, N. Shattuck Pl. – In favor of request. I live on the corner and I get all the traffic. I don’t have a problem with them parking on the side street Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – October 8, 2008 Pg. 5 Tape #CTC-28.10 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  Oct. ‘08 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2008 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper coming off Tustin St. If you paint the curb red I’m going to have a lot of cars parked in front of my house, if you’re going to do that please paint the curb in front of my house red also. I haven’t seen a problem. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. Commissioner Dick – There have been no accidents in the last three years? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – That’s correct. ACTION: Denied the request. MOTION: L. Dick SECOND: W. King AYES: Unanimous NOES: None ABSTAIN: None 3. Request for the implementation of a Neighborhood Parking Permit Program on both sides of Citrus St. between Almond Ave. and Chapman Ave. Beth Huber S. Citrus St. Orange CA 92868 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Tim Hoffman, S. Citrus St. – Favor of the permit parking. A 600 ft. street is not very long for the number of people who are trying to park there. If you look at adjacent blocks during the day they’re pretty much vacant. The two businesses at the end of the street historically haven’t generated a lot of parking but within the last 4-6 months there was a change in those businesses and a big influx of people need to park to go to those businesses. I work from home so I’m seeing them come and go during the day and I’m seeing the same vehicles over and over, I don’t know if they are employees or customers. If anyone on the block wants to do anything out of the ordinary that would generate additional parking such as a party it becomes a nightmare, there are just not enough places for all the cars. If it seems reasonable to allow us to have permits we’re very much in favor of that. Leonard Musgrave, E. Ruth Pl. – Speaking for his son Jeffrey Musgrave who lives on W. Almond Ave. – My son is out of town and cannot make the meeting. Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – October 8, 2008 Pg. 6 Tape #CTC-28.10 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  Oct. ‘08 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2008 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Opposes the permit parking. Why are there so many cars on this street? Is it because there are boarding houses there? Garages are meant for parking cars, how many of those garages are being used this way? Are they set up with a kitchen, a bathroom and a bedroom? Are there businesses being run out of these homes? The previous speaker just indicated he had a business there, is he alone or does he have employees? Where will the overflow cars park? I’ll bet in 4 months my son is going to be in here with a similar request because these cars will be parked on Almond Ave. He lives right at the “T-bone” section on Almond, and the problem will just move there. Almond is a real narrow, busy street, a lot of people use instead of Chapman Ave. Its difficult pulling out of his driveway as there’s parking on both sides. There are too many cars in all these neighborhoods; there are too many people in these single-family homes. Brad Prescott, S. Citrus St. – In favor of permit parking. The business above the bank has expanded its offices across the street above the ballet dance studio. That has completely jammed up the street, not only is the street narrow just like Almond, I believe it’s a little narrower than Almond. Getting in my driveway is a nightmare because of the way people are parking their cars. Not only that bu t the people loitering in front of my house is out of control, they leave trash, and they are employees of the business which is a huge issue. The business has also rented a house at the end of Citrus St. that they use for lunch and things of that nature, you can imagine the amount of loitering we have in front of our household. I have two small children and if I had know this would occur I probably wouldn’t have purchased the house. I am a single-family household, I don’t run a business from my home, and all I have in my garage are a couple of bicycles. I use my garage for parking, but I should be able to use the street in front of my house as well. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. Chairman Beil – Some of the permit parking areas and no overnight parking issues we’ve dealt with in the past, a lot of times they are little bit different. They are generated by the true overnight parking due to the high density of people living in each dwelling. In this instance it sounds like it is daytime parking from the businesses. I really like the permit parking program myself and I think you’re real fortunate, I don’t know if one person paid of if a group got together, but that is where a lot of neighborhoods run into problems because nobody wants to put up the money, but this looks real well put together. ACTION: Approved the requested implementation of a Neighborhood Parking Permit Program on both sides of Citrus St. from Almond Ave. to the southerly commercial property lines south of Chapman Ave. Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – October 8, 2008 Pg. 7 Tape #CTC-28.10 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  Oct. ‘08 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2008 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper MOTION: L. Dick SECOND: W. King AYES: Unanimous NOES: None ABSTAIN: None 4. Request for the installation of an “All-Way” STOP control at the intersection of Shaffer St. and Sycamore Ave. Janelle Hall N. Shaffer St. Orange CA 92866 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Chairman Beil – I remember that pretty much this same request for the “All Way” STOP control came to the Commission previously at this location, and our recommendation was to install the “CROSS TRAFFIC DOES NOT STOP” plates on the existing STOP sign, another mitigating factor on Shaffer St. was the little dip, cross-gutter. I’m very familiar with the intersection, I walk through there in the evening and the cars really slow down for that cross-gutter, even though it’s not that severe of a cross-gutter, it gives that appearance and it makes the cars slow down. I don’t really see any justification for it. Commissioner King – I’d just like to say that staff has done a lot of work here and I’m impressed. To go through all the numbers game so if you’d like to bring it back at another time I’d be willing to look at it again. I too know that intersection very well, we went to high school just a block away so we went through that intersection many, many times. There’s a dip for sure and most people slow down. Whatever engineering solution you find bring to back to us, I sure would like to take a look at it. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. ACTION: Denied the request. MOTION J. Beil SECOND: W. King AYES: Unanimous NOES None ABSTAIN None Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – October 8, 2008 Pg. 8 Tape #CTC-28.10 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  Oct. ‘08 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2008 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper 5. Request for the installation of an “All-Way” STOP control at the intersection of Olive St. and Maple Ave. Pamela Sailor N. Olive St. Orange CA 92856 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to you r copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Lindsey Hurban, W. Maple Ave. – In favor of request. I work in a maternity home and it’s a combination of a residential and commercial area; we have a big issue primarily with the buses going through for the last several years. They don’t slow down. I was almost hit walking across the street more than a dozen times. Our residents have almost been hit and these are pregnant women and small children. Chairman Beil – Is there a crosswalk there? Lindsey Hurban, W. Maple Ave. – No. I had a co-worker who was pulling a rolling back-pack and the wheel got stuck in the crack that was in the street and she had to ditch her rolling briefcase and jump out of the way because they just don’t stop. As this is right by the Orange Circle, people bypass the plaza and drive on Maple, and they drive rather fast. Across from our facility is a family sober living home, with a lot of children who ride their bikes in that area. There is a church and a parking lot, a tea house and an apartment building. The bus terminal is just down the street and although there hasn’t been an increase in buses, they still go down that street several times a day. It’s not safe at all. Chairman Beil – I’m very familiar with this section also as I walk down through here all the time. I just have to be conscious when I’m walking across the street. There’s very short spaced STOP signs along this stretch of Maple. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. ACTION: Denied the request. MOTION J. Beil SECOND: W. King AYES: Unanimous NOES None ABSTAIN None Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – October 8, 2008 Pg. 9 Tape #CTC-28.10 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  Oct. ‘08 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2008 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper  End of Consideration Items  V. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS None this month. VI. ADJOURNMENT After discussion of today’s Agenda the City Traffic Commission meeting was concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral Presentations, the Chairman adjourned this session of the City Traffic Commission. The next meeting of the City Traffic Commission is scheduled: 5:30 P.M. Wednesday - November 19, 2008 Respectfully submitted, CITY OF ORANGE Phyllis Then, Recording Secretary Traffic Engineering Division pthen@cityoforange.org CITY OF ORANGE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT 300 E. CHAPMAN AVENUE ORANGE CA 92866 PH: (714) 744-5536 FAX: (714) 744-5573