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Home My WebLink About05-14-2008 - Minutes TCCITY OF ORANGE CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION Minutes of a Regular Meeting: May 14, 2008 Tape #CTC-28.02 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  May ‘o8[N:/Traffic/CTC/2008 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper I. OPENING A. Flag Pledge B. Roll Call Present – Commissioners: J. Beil, W. King, L. Dick Absent – Commissioners: N. Lall, J. Pyne Present –Staff: A. Farahani, D. Allenbach, W. Winthers, Sgt. D. Adams, P. Then C. Approval of Minutes  April 9, 2008 ACTION: Carried over to the June 11, 2008 meeting. MOTION: J. Beil SECOND: W. King AYES: J. Beil, L. Dick, W. King ABSENT: N. Lall, J. Pyne II. ORAL PRESENTATIONS None this meeting. III. CONSENT CALENDAR None this meeting. Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – May 14, 2008 Pg. 2 Tape #CTC-28.03 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  May ‘08 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2008 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper IV. CONSIDERATION ITEMS 1. Request for the installation of red curb markings and/or STOP control device at the intersection of Harwood St. and Trenton Ave. James McNally 1426 N. Harwood St. Orange, CA 92867 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion of this request. Chairman Beil – Do you have any pictures of the house on the north side of Trenton Ave. that has all the vehicles? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – No I don’t. Chairman Beil – Going out and looking at this location a few of times a few different days, I know the neighborhood problem just by going out there and seeing what’s happening. There is a house with many, many people living in it and that house has most of the vehicles parked in front of it and directly across the street between Harwood and Pine St. It actually has vehicles parked on the front grass of the residence which I don’t believe is allowable in the City per Code. Be sure to call the Code Enforcement hotline, I think a lot can be done through that avenue as far as what I see happening in that neighborhood at that one residence. It looks like multiple families are packed into that house and are parking vehicles on the grass all over the place. Joanna Maxwell, 1486 N. Harwood St. – (Southwest corner) Ms. Maxwell is opposed to the request based on probable noise and air pollution, and loss of on - street parking in proximity to her home. There are a lot of people that speed up and down Trenton but as you say we don’t have the volume that requires a STOP sign. I’m opposed to it as it would be in front of my house and I like your suggestion about calling another agency about the number of cars across the street on Trenton Ave. There are 6 cul-de-sacs that run south of Trenton Ave. in this tract and we don’t have any more traffic than any of the others so I don’t see the need for the sign. Chairman Beil – The proponent’s letter asking for this has a little diagram and the streets are labeled Pine, Harwood, Cleveland and Grand, they forgot Shaffer St. I believe that little STOP sign on their diagram is actually on the corner of Shaffer and Trenton and when I went out looking at it there is no red curb there, it looks like there used to be but its faded away and gone. Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – May 14, 2008 Pg. 3 Tape #CTC-28.03 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  May ‘08 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2008 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Dave Allenbach – While there is an “All-Way’ STOP at Shaffer and Trenton, there is a “1-Way” STOP at Grand St. and Trenton Ave., the difference between the two locations however, is that Grant is at the west end of the neighborhood and it is adjacent to two rather large apartment complexes, I believe that STOP was approved about 10-12 years ago. In that case there was an on-going problem with parking demand on that end of the street and residents, primarily from the apartments, were parking up to and even into the curb returns, making it difficult to see as you were exiting out of Grand St. The “All -Way” STOP at Shaffer St. has been there some time and the red curb may be faded, I don’t know what our maintenance schedule is like, generally on residential streets they rely on residents to call and advise us the paint has faded and then we’ll go out and repaint it. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. ACTION: Denied the request. MOTION: L. Dick SECOND: W. King AYES: Unanimous ABSENT: N. Lall, J. Pyne 2. Request for the installation of red curb markings in front of 510 S. Fairmont Way. Carole Carpenter 510 S. Fairmont Way Orange CA 92869 The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. There was no one in the audience to address this issue, but the Chairman opened the public hearing for the following discussion. Chairman Beil – Does anyone know who that red car belongs to that is always parked in front of her house? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – No sir. Most likely it belongs to someone in the neighborhood but we don’t know precisely where. Commissioner King – I don’t remember seeing the red car. Chairman Beil – The proponent is that house. Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – May 14, 2008 Pg. 4 Tape #CTC-28.03 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  May ‘08 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2008 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper Commissioner Dick – As a point of information, if someone can help me on this, what responsibilities , if any, do we have regarding providing access to the mailbox for mail carriers? As I see this, if this were being done by one of those carriers in a motorized vehicle they’re not going to be able to pull up, deliver the mail and move on. The will can get out and walk around and drop the mail in the recipient’s box, is that an issue that we have any liability or responsibility toward? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – As far as I know the City does not have any responsibility toward that, it’s generally done between the homeowner and the mail service. As long as the vehicle itself is not directly in front of the mailbox the mail carrier, if they are driving they will be able to lean out or get out and walk straight to the mailbox and deliver the mail. Where we’ve had problems or complaints in the past is when vehicles are consistently parked where they are actually blocking the mailbox and that causes a problem. Generally the Post Office sends the homeowner a letter advising them to pick up their mail at the Post Office until this is rectified. Commissioner Dick – If this is the case here the homeowner would have no recourse, is that accurate? There’s no curbing stripe there. So if that vehicle were 5 ft. further to the left in this photograph, would that be blocking the mailbox? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – Yes it would. Commissioner Dick – And so then someone else would have had the opportunity to make this homeowner travel to the Post Office to pick up their mail? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst – Yes, that is correct. Chairman Beil – That’s probably why we don’t’ have too many curbside mailboxes in Orange other that in the eastern areas. Commissioner King – That whole area has curbside mailboxes. Chairman Beil – It’s probably because it was part of the County. Commissioner King – Yes absolutely until about 5 years ago. Wayne Winthers, Assistant City Attorney – You would probably have a request coming from that homeowner saying can I get some red curb in front of mailbox because the Post Office won’t deliver it anymore. Then you would get to con sider it. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – May 14, 2008 Pg. 5 Tape #CTC-28.03 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  May ‘08 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2008 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper ACTION: Denied the request. MOTION: L. Dick SECOND: W. King AYES: Unanimous ABSENT: N. Lall, J. Pyne  End of Consideration Items  V. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS We had requested earlier to bring back information on ethics training. Amir Farahani, City Traffic Engineer – I have a short report from last night’s Council meeting. We had an appeal for the handicapped parking space at 916 N. Laurel Dr. Both the proponent and appellant attended the meeting and both were given a chance to present their case, after the presentation and a few questions the Council decided to deny the appeal and uphold the Traffic Commission’s decision. Chairman Beil – The comments I’ve heard out of that is we need to make sure that when items go out the notification is done really well. Wayne Winthers – I believe Public Works has already addressed that part of the issue in as far as their guidelines in trying to ensure the investigation and notification is there for you in the future so we don’t run into the initial problem here, but they did leave the parking spot on the street. VI. ADJOURNMENT Minutes of a Regular Meeting – City Traffic Commission – May 14, 2008 Pg. 6 Tape #CTC-28.03 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744-5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated.  May ‘08 [N:/Traffic/CTC/2008 Minutes] Printed on Recycled Paper After discussion of today’s Agenda the City Traffic Commission meeting was concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral Presentations, the Chairman adjourned this session of the City Traffic Commission. The next meeting of the City Traffic Commission is scheduled: 5:30 P.M. Wednesday - June 11, 2008 Respectfully submitted, CITY OF ORANGE Phyllis Then, Recording Secretary Traffic Engineering Division pthen@cityoforange.org CITY OF ORANGE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT 300 E. CHAPMAN AVENUE ORANGE CA 92866 PH: (714) 744-5536 FAX: (714) 744-5573