12-02-1998 Council Minutes Adj RegularApPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON JANUARY 12, 1999
CITY COUNCIL MINUTES ORANGE, CALIFORNIA
OF AN ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING December 2, 1998
The City Council of the City of Orange, California convened on December 2, 1998 at 4:30 p.m.
in an Adjourned Regular Meeting in the Council Chambers, 300 E. Chapman Avenue, Orange,
California.
5:00 P.M. SESSION
1. OPENING
1.2 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG
Led by Councilman Slater
1.3 ROLL CALL
CITY COUNCIL
PRESENT - Spurgeon, Murphy, Mayor Coontz, Slater, Alvarez ABSENT -
None PLANNING COMMISSION
PRESENT - Bosch,
Smith, Pruett, Romero, Carlton ABSENT - None 2.
PUBLIC COMMENTS - None
3.CONSENT CALENDAR Tape 50
3.1 Declaration of City
Clerk, Cassandra J. Cathcart, declaring posting of City Council Agenda of an Adjourned Regular
Meeting of December 2, 1998 at Orange Civic Center, Taft Branch Library at
740 E. Taft Avenue, Police facility at 1107 North Batavia, the Eisenhower Park Bulletin
Board, and summarized on Time-Warner Communications, all of said
locations being in the City of Orange and freely accessible to members of
the public at least 72 hours before commencement of said Adjourned Regular Meeting.ACTION:
Accepted Declaration of
Agenda Posting and authorized its retention as a public record in the
Office of the City Clerk.MOTION - Slater SECOND - Murphy
AYES - Spurgeon, Murphy,
Mayor Coontz, Slater,
Alvarez Item No. 3.1 was approved as
presented.END OF CONSENT CALENDAR PAGE 1
CITY COUNCIL MINUTES December 2, 1998
4. REPORTS FROM MAYOR COONTZ - None 5.
REPORTS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS - None 6. REPORTS
FROM BOARDS, COMMITTEES, AND COMMISSIONS - None 7. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS
7.1 Plaza
Preservation Project.Tape 243 NOTE: Councilman Alvarez
stated that due to the conflict of interest rule and the fact that he either manages or
owns property at 60 Plaza Square, 112 E. Chapman, and 131 S. Glassell,which are within
300 feet of the project, he will abstain from voting on this issue and stepped down from the
Council dais.MAYOR COONTZ - OPENING
COMMENTS: The "Don't Demolish. Polish" signs that are seen throughout the community
are exactly what the Council is doing. The Council understands that we need to
be good stewards for preserving the historic Plaza for generations to come.People who visit Orange
from all over the world write us letters to compliment us on the Plaza.We need to keep
it polished. That is what this whole program was destined to be. This work study session will provide
for a review of the proposed conceptual plans and an opportunity to review additional details for
the Plaza Preservation project. Council will follow the established policy of not taking
action at a study session. However, Council has the ability to give guidelines to the City
Manager on the project for the future. A public hearing will be held at a later date for the
final decisions. The Orange Plaza consists of the Plaza Park and the four quadrants that surround it.
Earlier this year the Council voted and approved the conceptual plan for the four quadrants.
At that time, many details were not available. The Council has the right to make changes to
its original decision. Those changes, if made, would occur at the public hearing. The timeline for
construction of the project is ofless importance than the need to have a project which is right
for Orange with input from the community.NOTE: The City Manager
indicated problems are being experienced with the cable transmission. However, the study
session is being video taped.PRESENTATION - DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY
SERVICES: This study session will bring Council and the Planning
Commission up to date regarding the project; give citizens an opportunity for public comment; and
staff will receive fIrm direction on how to proceed from here. The goals and objectives
of the project are: 1) to enhance and preserve the historical environment of the Plaza area;
2) maintain and enhance the economic viability of the Plaza area;and 3) improve the safety
and upgrade the overall maintenance ofthe area.PAGE 2
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7. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS (Continued)
City staff and the consultant, Bill Cathcart, have shown previous conceptual plans to various
local groups and received considerable input. Staff made public presentations to Council on
April 14, 1998 and May 26, 1998. At Council's request, the Plaza Community Committee was
formed to provide recommendations for improvements to the Plaza and review thoroughly what
the recommendations would ultimately be. The Committee has met on eight occasions. All
meetings have been open to the public. The City Council has approved a plan defining the
conceptual design of the quadrants. The project is a working plan subject to modification. Since
the May 26, 1998 meeting, staff has retained an historical consultant, Mr. Robert Chattel, to
ensure that any proposed improvements to the Plaza comply with the Plaza's history as well as
ensure the Plaza maintains its place on the Historical Registry. The entire project was presented
to the community three weeks ago at the Orange Senior Center in which staff listened to
considerable testimony. The two specific issues addressed at that meeting were the pine trees in
the quadrant areas and traffic. Traffic was never a main consideration of the project. However, a
major consideration is pedestrian safety and a number of recommended landscape improvements
which would enhance the economic viability. The recommendations made for the quadrants are
as follows:
Replace 6 Pine trees with 40 Palm trees. (28 Queen Palms and 12 Washingtonia Palms) to be
distributed evenly among the four quadrant areas.
Remove the four planter boxes.
Replace brick pavers with scored concrete.
Make major improvements to drainage, electrical, and irrigation in the area.
Evaluate the feasibility of extending the curbs out for public space, relocating crosswalks,
restriping to one lane, and improving the overall pedestrian safety.
Plaza Committee Members were introduced as follows: Bill Cathcart, consultant; Judy
Schroeder, Orange Historical Society; Adrienne Gladson, Orange Historical Society (2nd
Alternate); Freddie McDonald, Old Towne Preservation Association; Joan Crawford, Old Towne
Preservation Association (2nd Alternate); Carole Walters, Orange Taxpayer's Association; Carole
Collis, Downtown Merchants Association; Lisa Ackerman, Downtown Merchants Association
2nd Alternate); Susan Secoy, Design Collaborative and Design Review Board; Randy Bosch,
Planning Commission; and David Hart and Hank Mascola, citizens at-
large.PRESENTATION - RANDY BOSCH, PLAZA PARK COMMITTEE: Each committee
member came equipped not only with what the City staff and consultants brought to them, but
personal resources, comprehension of the historic planning protocols, actual history of the
people, and the physical plan available in the Plaza area. The City and its Plaza, at full blossom
in the period of the 1930's, has helped the Committee function well and focus a lot on what were
contributing features vs. non-contributing features within the Plaza Park. Current focus of
the Committee on the Plaza Park is as
follows:PAGE
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7. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS (Continued)
Trees in the Plaza Park. Every tree can be saved in the Plaza Park except the non-
historic avocado tree and the seven severely brutalized Cypress shrubs. Restore the Cypress trees
in appropriate locations with trees that can be better maintained and serve to keep the
original appeal of the
Plaza.Roses, lawns and plantings. Historically, the roses are non-contributing but
a beloved addition to the Plaza and are the City flower. The health of the roses should be
restored by placing them in a sunny position of prominence and improve the lawns and
plantings to retain and regain the historical setting, and at the same time help enhance and
lengthen the lives of the existing historic trees in
the Plaza.Walks and curbs. Concern is for safe crosswalks, level and correct walks,
surfaces for elderly and handicapped accessibility within the Plaza Park and the historic
patterns be retained or regained. Very little concrete paving within the Plaza Park
is historic.Lighting. Concern is to meet contemporary standards for safe lighting and at the
same time not utilize contemporary light fixtures, but appropriately designed, well located
fixtures to serve both traffic and pedestrian
safety concerns.Fountain. Committee is unanimous that despite historic precedence for an
older Plaza fountain, the period of the 1930's as highlighted in the National
Registry designation indicates the current tiled fountain and current fountain head in place are
appropriate for consideration as we look at the various pieces of the layered effect. The tile basin
is severely damaged and needs restoration. The tile needs to be repaired and missing
pieces replaced.The fountain head needs fixing as well as restoration of its lighting
system, with improvements to the immediate surroundings of the fountain to restore
the pedestrian fountain linkage, which was historically correct within the
Plaza itself.Monuments. Many monuments need to be relocated; permanently affixed;
placed in positions of honor and visibility without detracting from the other key historic
elements of
the Plaza.Benches. There are a variety of types. The Committee has researched which
benches are historically correct or most appropriate for replication, not only at the perimeter of
the Plaza near the traffic lane but within the patterned walkway system itself, which shall be
retained in
the Plaza.Trash Receptacles. The Committee has looked at the functionality,
appropriateness of design, and eliminating the inappropriate overwhelming character of many of
the receptacles features we
have now.Bollards and chains. Those adjacent to the fountain are not historical but do
obstruct access to the plantings and the fountain. Those surrounding the traffic lane are of
great importance and are severely corroded and damaged. They shall be replaced retaining the
shape, function,size, color, and where possible, some of the finial elements that may still be useful
as we keep that in place, along with the perimeter walkway, but restoring its
original scored concrete pattern, so that it fits in with the
historical context.Electrical cabinets. Wherever possible, the Committee encourages they
be relocated,diminished in size, modified, split-up, so they do not detract from the historic
Plaza Park, and better serve
the intended
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7. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS (Continued)
Flag pole. To change from its overly contemporary form to one that is historically correct
and appropriately placed for accessibility in the Park.
COUNCIL QUESTIONS/COMMENTS Tape 844
Mayor Coontz commented it would be proper for the Plaza Park Committee to prepare a
minority report, if someone strongly disagrees on some of the issues and does not fall into the
consensus. Council may want to consider: 1) determining priorities based on cost of the project;
2) directing staff to come back with some alternatives; 3) expanding the scope of the Plaza
Committee to include the quadrants; 4) asking the Traffic Commission to look at the circulation
question; 5) safety considerations; 6) a strong policy of regularly scheduled maintenance of the
Plaza; 7 ) improving the trash, maintenance and cleaning schedule; 8) infrastructure concerns.
Councilman Slater commented the Pine trees have been a controversial issue. The planting of
the proposed Palm trees has been changed from what was originally proposed for the quadrants.
He asked the City's historic preservation consultant to elaborate on the changes suggested and
from a historical perspective, speak on the Pine trees which have been a part of the Plaza for 20+
years. How has the originally proposed Palm tree plantings in the quadrants changed from an
historical perspective?
Robert Chattel, City's historic preservation consultant, responded the National Register
nomination references clearly the alterations from the 1970's, which includes the installation of
the existing Pine trees and brick sidewalks in the quadrants. He concurs with the National
Register nomination that they are intrusions/alterations that detract from the historic character of
the Plaza. The Pine trees are not historic and do not meet National Register criteria. Removal of
the trees would not cause any reason to questions the National Register eligibility of the Plaza or
the District. From an historical perspective, the line of Palm trees which follow the shape of the
original L-shaped sidewalk before there was any curve area is historically accurate. About
30 Queen Palm trees followed the L-shaped sidewalks. A photograph was displayed of the
Plaza in 1947 which depicted the location of the Queen Palm trees to the buildings. The addition
of the proposed Queen Palms and their placement parallel to the building fronts adds more
of an
historical look.In response to Mayor Coontz, Plaza Park Committee consultant, Bill Cathcart
explained that from a design standpoint the Pine trees could be saved. The concern is how to save the
Pine trees during construction. When the brick and paving is removed, trenching needs to be done
for a new irrigation system, which would be a drip system. There needs to be some
modifications to the drainage because several quadrants do not drain well and produce an odor. He
could not guarantee the Pine trees would survive. It may be possible to save two Pine trees - the
inside Pines on each quadrant, by removing the outside Pines on each quadrant and filling in
and blending with the Queen Palms in the pattern along the same shape. This would be the
best possible
alternative.PAGE
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7. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS (Continued)
Roger Hohnbaum, Assistant City Engineer, indicated to date, it appears that the proposed
drainage system does not predicate the removal of any of the existing Pine trees and they see no
serious impacts to the trees. Other features mentioned by Mr. Cathcart would require some
additional engineering to either insure the Pine trees are preserved, or if Council decides to
remove the Pine trees, there may be more of a direct design impact on some of the features.
Alternatives are being looked at to insure the drainage is improved and nothing gets in the way of
the trees or the buildings. It is hoped with further design the Pine trees would not be impacted.
Due to the continuing odor problem, a camera is being run through the storm/sewer systems to
determine location, condition, and if any repair is necessary.
In response to Councilman Slater, Traffic Engineer Hamid Bahadori explained the only traffic
design under review at this time is the initial proposal by Norris Repke, the engineering
consultant for the project. The traffic plan implemented in the field and observed during the
demonstration project was a workable plan, but not a perfect plan. It has other issues associated
with it. Variations of the plan were looked at. If Council does not feel comfortable with the
initial plan, variations cannot be looked at, because there is no workable solution that can be
developed. It is possible the noses could be pulled back one or two feet more than was at the
traffic demonstration. The traffic pattern now is not unsafe; it is undesirable. A concern is the
trend of accidents typically around the Plaza. There have been four or five accidents per year. In
1996 there were eight accident. In 1997, there were eleven accidents, which is an indication that
safety issues need attention. Most accidents are due to unsafe speed and not the parking issues
around the Plaza, which today is undesirable but not unsafe.
Councilman Spurgeon commented if direction is given to send traffic issues to the Traffic
Commission, a major issue to be looked at is the continued traffic problems with large trucks in
the Plaza.
Councilman Murphy suggested the large trucks be an independent issue, regardless of what else
goes to the Traffic Commission, and possibly expanded to look at the circulation and flow of
eighteen wheelers; where they are allowed today and where they are headed; and neighborhood
impacts in the same situation.
Traffic Engineer Bahadori responded in the long term, the City has to address the issues of traffic
capacity on Chapman and Glassell around the Plaza. Review of historical data shows that traffic
is increasing. A circulation study would take a minimum of six months to complete and would
require outside expertise. A truck rerouting traffic study proposal could be presented to the
Traffic Commission at the first meeting available in February, 1999. Mayor Coontz clarified that
traffic would not be taken off Chapman and Glassell and placed on the parallel streets.
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7. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS (Continued)
PLANNING COMMISSION QUESTIONS/COMMENTS Tape 1720
Commissioner Romero asked for a year to date figure of accidents. The Traffic Engineer
responded for the first quarter of 1998 there were three accidents.
Commissioner Smith: 1) Suggested if the Pine trees are removed, mature trees be added
elsewhere in the Plaza area, especially on the approximate spoke streets, Olive Street, Almond,
Orange Street, and Maple where there are no mature trees now. It might be a mitigating factor.
2) Expressed concern with odors emitted from manholes in all of the Plaza area. It was
suggested the review be taken out another block so the problem doesn't become a problem of the
200 block, north, south, east and west. There is a terrible odor at the intersection of Grand and
Chapman Avenue. 3) Recommended the installation of a sound system in the Plaza, useful for
civic events as well as civil emergencies. 4) Recommended a daily maintenance program,
including regular steam cleaning of the sidewalks, trash removal, and maintenance of all the
plant material, as well as clean building facades, windows, baseboards, etc. 5) Expressed
concern with the trucks and buses that would be moved from the circular Plaza area out to the
spoke streets. 6) Suggested benches in the Plaza facing out to the traffic pattern. Ms. Smith
asked where the funding for the project comes from, if a budget had been set, and how it had
been determined?
PUBLIC QUESTIONS/COMMENTS Tape 1968
SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION:
Brian McBroom, 55 Plaza Square Carole
Walters, Plaza Committee member, 534 N. Shaffer, suggested a note on the water bill allowing citizens
to express their ideas or concerns so the Committee could bring their concerns forward.
Sharon Loeb,
P. O. Box 5009 Steven Young, 1017
E. Palmyra Judith Watson, 3101 N.
Pinewood Street Juan Pablo Serrano-Nieblas Meg
Breeze,60 Plaza Square
Karen Higgins, 456 N. Shaffer Ralph
Linnert, 525 S. Glassell Janine McCormack,
240 N. California Street B. Herbst,
1435 E. Walnut Robert Boice, 143 N.
Pine, submitted consultant response from Escudero-
Fribourg Architects.Gail Hewitt, 143 N. Grand Joseph Beckman, 121 ~ N. Glassell, #
13 SPEAKING IN A NEUTRAL POSITION:
Carlos Calderon, 36 Plaza Square, requested clarification
on the new dining ordinance.
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7. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS (Continued)
SPEAKING IN FAVOR:
Judy Schroeder, Plaza Committee Member, business on Maple Street Lisa
Ackerman, Plaza Committee Member, 151 N. Glassell Issues of
concern: Removal of Pine trees; safety; traffic; rats in Palm trees; reduction of parking,brickwork removal;
length of construction; impact of construction on businesses; maintenance in Plaza; sidewalks;
the outdoor dining area; budget issues, the process involved; fountain preservation; lighting;
and the overall historical significance ofthe Plaza.RESPONSE TO
PUBLIC QUESTIONS/CONCERNS Tape 3745 The City
Manager responded the estimated cost of the project is approximately $1.2 million.The current
budget is approximately $750,000 of which $250,000 came from Park planning with the balance
from General Fund monies approved by Council. The current dining ordinance has not been
enforced to the extent that it could be. Staff has been directed to be very reasonable.Some of
the benches will face out to the traffic pattern. Coordination will be made with the businesses relative
to the construction process, with the least amount of impact caused to business as
is possible.Consultant Bill
Cathcart expressed the same concern that construction not impose upon the businesses, if
it can be helped. The plan is to do as much work as can be done at night. There will be
some inconvenience, i.e. metal plates, plywood. Everyone will need to sacrifice some in order to
get a greater amenity. The concern with rats in Palm trees is strictly a maintenance issue. (The
City Manager added that maintenance issues will be addressed in the coming weeks and as
part of the budget.) The length of the project depends on the size and extent to which Council approves
the project. To hold to the historic pattern of the tree wells, two Pines could be saved per
quadrant by not moving the curb and removing the raised planter. However, not as much outdoor
dining space would be picked up. If the bricks are removed and stamped concrete put in,
which the Committee feels is historically relevant, there would be less of a time demand than if
the curbs were moved out. The budget has significantly changed. The Committee wants to look
at a telescoping flag pole which would be more consistent historically. The Plaza Committee would
like to donate the stainless steel pole in the Plaza to W. O. Hart Park.Planning Manager
Vern Jones explained the outdoor dining ordinance adopted by Council in May, 1998
allows dining directly in front of the stores along all the streets, except for the Plaza quadrants. The
spaces in front of the Plaza quadrants require a six foot clear zone from the front of the
businesses. The rules have not been enforced at this time.PAGE 8
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7. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS (Continued)
Traffic Engineer Hamid Bahadori, in response to concerns raised on the diversion of traffic onto
other streets, indicated that the proposed traffic plan was only prepared based on land use
economic redevelopment needs. The traffic demonstration project was to see what was needed to
achieve those objectives. The diversion of traffic onto other streets will happen over time no
matter what, as the traffic on Chapman and Glassell increases. The plan was workable, however,
it may work as a catalyst to expedite the process of diversion onto other streets, forcing them to
address the problem at an earlier time than they would under normal conditions.
The traffic plan shows a loss of 11 parking spaces. There are over 500 parking spaces right next
to the Plaza. A better job needs to be done of directing people to those parking spaces.
A Boulevard stop sign would substantially increase the traffic delay and the congestion on
neighborhood streets. Stop signs can not be placed around the Plaza.
The lighting for the quadrants and the Park Plaza can be improved without street improvements.
Additional street lights can be provided at Council's direction.
COUNCIL COMMENTS Tape 4267
Mayor Coontz commented this is a democratic process which does take a while. The Council
established a policy not to vote on issues at study sessions. She explained the decision was made
a number of years ago when an issue was proposed to be voted upon when there was a limited
number of citizens in attendance and not enough community understanding of the issue. A
public hearing is the opportunity for the Council to make decisions. Mayor Coontz commented
she personally does not like the traffic plan and that it may not be a good idea to expand the
Plaza. The bricks, drainage and infrastructure problems do need to be taken care of. If the
planters are taken out, there would be more room for dining, which was the original thought.
The Plaza needs to be cleaned more often. The trimming of the Pine trees every five years is
unacceptable.
The Plaza Committee was asked if they would be willing to also address the quadrant issues,
noting the Plaza is incomplete without attention also being given to the quadrants. The Plaza
Committee, by a show of hands, confirmed their willingness to address the quadrant issues.
It was suggested that:
The traffic plan, truck, auto and pedestrian traffic and safety issues in and around the Plaza be
sent to the Traffic Commission.
Lighting issues be addressed.
The Pine trees be kept if they can be and Palm trees be added.
The Park Plaza Committee address the quadrants.
Issues of the Plaza be prioritized.
Cost issues; construction schedules; and maintenance issues be addressed.
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7. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS (Continued)
Councilman Murphy commented he wished every issue before Council had the same level of
interest as this project. Safety issues and business impact are priorities. Concern was expressed
that money is being spent on things than cannot be tangibly seen. Aside from polishing the
Plaza, the City ought to minimize what is to be done. The monies reserved, based on the
differences of opinion, might be better placed in other projects where there is more of a
consensus, such as other park programs or new park sites. He supports any compromise with the
tree issue. A scaled-back version of the quadrants makes sense. The drainage issues need to
be corrected and the electrical boxes need to be addressed. He asked for options with rounded
costs involved in schedules so that the individuals hired to do the work can be given one
direction,rather than multiple direction, to bring this to a
conclusion.Councilman Slater commented Commissioner Smith's suggestion of a public address system is
a good idea. Perhaps it could be incorporated later and not have to go along with this process.
His main concerns are: 1) The quadrants and the removal of the Pine trees. He asked that the
Plaza Committee consider a plan that would include the Pine trees as they exist and a plan that
would include taking out half of the Pine trees and incorporating the new Palm trees. 2) The size of
the traffic lanes around the Plaza. He supports the opportunity for sidewalk dining and would like
to accomplish both. What are other options? The traffic demonstration project was too severe.
He would like an alternative compromise between what is there now that would not compromise
too much more parking. He favors the Traffic Commission looking at the traffic circulation
pattern and the truck issue. If it ends up there is quite a significant change, then take the extra
six months to incorporate that into the project. 3) Maintenance. He looks forward to hearing
an updated maintenance program schedule. The sidewalks should be steam cleaned at least once
a week; the train depot should be done at the same
time.Carroll Johnson, Mr. Wickett's, indicated there is a beautiful sound system in the Plaza
which cost approximately $26,000 and has only been used once or twice. The intricate part of
the system is in the Community Services Department. The Director of Community
Services indicated they have not used the system and do not know much about it, but will look into
it.Councilman Spurgeon commented he would like to see two plans, especially the plan with
some Pine trees removed. The truck issue in the Plaza needs to be addressed. Changes need to
be made in the inner Plaza Park area to reflect the maintenance, safety, and practicality issues.
The planters can be adjusted, or if not, removed. He concurred with Councilman Murphy that
monies reserved could be spent on the renovation of other parks or new parks for youth
sports.Mayor Coontz commented the historic fountain in front of City Hall needs to be fixed
up.Planning Commissioners were asked if they feel the Plaza Preservation Project needs to
go through the Commission first? Commissioner Smith responded the Planning Commission
would be open to reviewing it for the opportunity for the public to speak to different
issues.PAGE
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7. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS (Continued)
CITY MANAGER RUDAT - REITERATION OF COUNCIL'S DIRECTION Tape 5560 I)
Direct departments to investigate different options and recommendations on the maintenance and
cleaning of the Plaza and bring back a report to Council in the next few weeks.2)
Direct that a traffic study be done. Funds were approved in the budget to begin a traffic study.
3)
Direct that a study of the truck routing be done and alternatives be reviewed.4)
Suggested a report be brought back to Council on the outdoor dining ordinance with a well-diagramed
picture of what was approved, for Council's confirmation or change, indicating he is
not comfortable not enforcing the City ordinance.5)
Budgetary consideration be given to the historic fountain in front of City Hall, indicating he would
recommend that it be incorporated in the budget process.Councilman
Slater indicated he believed when the Ordinance was adopted that it would not be enforced
until the plans were implemented or changes made in the Plaza, if any.Mayor
Coontz asked that the Plaza Committee bring forward ideas on a policy for the Plaza Park,
introduction of plaques, etc. as well as a policy for the quadrants.BILL
CATHCART - REITERATION OF COUNCIL'S DIRECTION TO THE PLAZA COMMITTEE Consultant
Bill
Cathcart indicated that he, along with the civil engineers, electrical engineer, and the Plaza
Committee will revisit the Plaza quadrants and look at the various alternatives for Pine/Palm
treecombinations, removal of the raised planters, not focusing on the removal of the curbs out
and dealing with the traffic issue until after a traffic study has been handled. The Committee will
bring back budgets; some ideas on pedestrian safety; and lighting issues along with those
alternatives. The Committee will further complete the work on the Plaza Park and some of
the issues along with the City's historic preservation consultant, Robert Chattel.The City
Manager commented staff will work with Mr. Cathcart on any issues regarding the public address
system.8. REPORTS
FROM CITY MANAGER - None 9. LEGAL AFFAIRS -
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10. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION - Mayor Coontz SECOND -
Spurgeon AYES - Murphy,
Slater, Mayor Coontz, Spurgeon ABSENT - Alvarez The
City Council adjourned
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