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Planning Commission
City of Orange
June 5. 2000
Monday - 7:00 p.m.
PRESENT:
ABSENT:
Commissioners Bosch, Carlton, Pruett, Romero, Smith
None
STAFF
PRESENT:
John Godlewski, Principal Planner,
Mary Binning, Assistant City Attorney.
Roger Hohnbaum, Assistant City Engineer, and
Sue Devlin. Recording Secretary
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IN RE:
ITEM TO BE CONTINUED
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1. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2332-00 - ORANGE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND
ORANGE ROTARY
A request to construct a 5-unit senior apartment building with two units restricted to low-income
households. The proposal also includes a request for a density bonus and a potential waiver of one
development standard. The site is located on the north side of La Veta Avenue, between Olive and
Lemon Streets.
Negative Declaration 1641-00 was prepared to evaluate the environmental impacts of this
project.
The applicanf requested to continue this item indefinitely to allow scheduling to meet the deadlines of the
Agenda and meetings of the Design Review Committee.
NOTE:
MOTION
Moved by Commissioner Pruett and seconded by Commissioner Smith to continue Conditional Use
Permit 2332-00 indefinitely and request that staff re-notice prior to a new hearing.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAINED:
Commissioners Bosch. Pruett, Romero. Smith
None
Commissioner Carlton
MOTION CARRIED
Commissioner Carlton abstained due to a potential conflict of interest.
IN RE:
CONSENT CALENDAR
2. Approval of the Minutes from the Meeting of May 15. 2000
MOTION
Moved by Commissioner Smith and seconded by Commissioner Carlton to approve the Minutes of
May 15, 2000.
AYES:
NOES:
Commissioners Bosch. Carlton, Pruett. Romero. Smith
None
MOTION CARRIED
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3. MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION 1640-00 - CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY (Pulled for discussion)
A request to construct a 706-car parking structure within the Chapman University Specific Plan Area. The
site is located south of Walnut Avenue and west of Orange Street.
NOTE:
Mitigated Negative Declaration 1640-00 was prepared to evaluate the environmental impacts
of this project.
Mr. Godlewski reported that staff felt there may be environmental impacts that have occurred subsequent
to the adoption of the Environmental Impact Report for the Specific Plan some ten years ago. The
proposal is for a five level, four story parking structure to be located on the existing site of the Stadium/
Orange Street parking lot. There have been extensive studies submitted in the staff report concerning
the parking structure and its location. and the number of spaces that it contains. Staff has presented the
application to the Design Review Committee which looked at the initial structure and made a number of
recommendations. Scheme 1 is recommended by the DRC. They also recommended that the details be
worked out and be brought back to them should the Commission choose to approve the Negative
Declaration.
Commissioner Smith understands that the buildings must comply with the Old Towne Design Standards in
order to be part of the Chapman University Specific Plan. She asked if parking structures were particularly
listed in the Old Towne Design Standards. And. what is the criteria that a parking structure has to meet in
terms of bulk and mass. location?
Mr. Godlewski explained that it is required that a finding be made that the buildings comply with the Old
Towne Design Standards. The Chapman University Specific Plan was adopted prior to the adoption of the
Historic District. The Specitic Plan does have its own unique circumstances. and a requirement for
conformity to the Old Towne Design Standards is such that it is complimentary to, and it does not detract
from. the Old Towne District. The actual specifics are not addressed from one plan to the other. except
that the Specific Plan is outlined as having unique design standards. Reference was made to Page 15 of
the Design Standards. It lists the findings required by the reviewing body for projects located in the Old
Towne District.
The public hearing was opened.
Bob Hornacek. CRHO Architects. is the design architect for the parking structure. There are three
guidelines that govern this site. One is the Chapman Specific Plan. the Old Towne Standards. and also
the Standards for the Southwest Redevelopment Project Area. A parking structure is not addressed in
these various documents. In terms of architectural design there doesn't seem to be a real clear direction
that is needed to be followed. The project presents three basic issues, and he spoke to one of them
regarding the size. shape and volume of the structure. The Specific Plan dictates setbacks, height limits
and so forth and they fall within those. The other issue is the perceived parking need. Two of the parking
structure elevations (east and south) are internal to the campus. The west elevation is one lot size
removed from Glassell, and will be partially screened by the existing buildings. The north elevation is the
only one that relates directly to the community. They propose to provide large landscape setbacks off of
Walnut. And, they also propose to put landscape materials on the building that will drape the upper floors.
In presenting their proposal to the Design Review Committee. the DRC asked them to return with
additional descriptive materials to show how the building will sit on the site. how visible it is. and to study
some additional elevation ideas that might bring in some of the Old Towne elements. They presented two
additional schemes and the DRC accepted Scheme 1 showing a punched opening element. Vehicles will
be visible at eye level, but not from fhe upper levels. They are preparing more exhibits for DRC's review.
The parking structure is 35 feet in height on the Glassell and Walnut elevations. The building gets higher
as it goes back into the campus.
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Commissioner Pruett asked if consideration had been given to the possibility that the building on the
corner may not be there forever and the structure may gain prominence because of changes that could
occur. Mr. Hornacek replied they are open to suggestions on what they need to do.
John Bioos. One Universitv Drive. is the Project Manager. In answer to Commissioner Carlton's question.
he said the University does own one of the buildings (a duplex) that is on Glassell. They have exhibits that
show the site lines from Glassell. They plan to use the landscape planters on the west side, north side,
and in the open bays on the east side of the structure. But, they will not add the planters in the punched
openings.
Paul Wilkinson. consultant with Linscott Law & Greensoan. 1580 Coroorate Drive #122. Costa Mesa.
explained the goals of the long-term Parking Management Plan. They want to reduce the University's
parking on residential streets, to identify measures to prevent misuse of the City's Neighborhood Parking
Permit Program, to offset the loss of parking during the construction of the proposed parking structure
and the residence hall. and to develop special provisions and incentives to encourage the University
students, faculty and staff to park where they are supposed to park. They have made an extensive
parking inventory on campus and every block face that radiates from the campus to include the Parking
Permit Program, as well as possible future expansion areas. They are in the midst of their work and do not
have specific conclusions yet. Parking and demand counts were made on two days during the week of
May 8 and 11. They have determined that the peak demand times are from 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. The
on-University surface lots are virtually full during those periods. The residence hall lots are substantially
utilized throughout the day. The parking structure is under utilized. There are 350 to 400 spaces that are
not being used. However. the law school is not fully developed. There are between 50 to 200 vehicles
parked on residential streets that may have no business being there. From the data they have collected, it
appears the proposed garage structure is necessary. With the completion of the garage. they will only be
adding 150 cars to that site.
Commissioner Pruett stated that use of the parking structure during athletic events will be an issue that
needs to be planned and included in the overall Management Plan.
In response to Commissioner Romero's question. it was stated that the maximum enrollment for Chapman
University is 4,000 students, and there are 3,300 students who are currently enrolled.
Commissioner Smith said it looks like the University is building a parking structure for buildings that have
not yet been proposed to the City. Mr. Wilkinson said 80% of the structure's capacity is needed for the
demand of the completed residence hall. They have not projected parking for the new chapel.
Commissioner Smith cited as omissions in the report lack of addressing what type of parking will be
generated by the new chapel. what type of parking would be generated by athletic events. and lack of
inclusion of projected buildings. She knows there is a building proposed to go in next to the business
building. She has also seen a plan where the stadium would be moved over to the northwest quadrant.
and new buildings being built on the site. Mr. Wilkinson stated they have not completed their analysis, but
will take this into account. Commissioner Smith also wondered if the traffic studies should be made at
different times of the year rather than on two days during the same week. Mr. Wilkinson responded they
are trying to give the City a timely feedback on their studies. They believe the time period studied is a
representative period of time for the University. They will also try to bring visibility to the issue of how many
students have cars.
Chairman Bosch wanted an explanation about the traffic flow patterns, not at the special events. but the
normal utilization of the parking structure. How are access and exiting controls going to be set up to
mitigate potential impacts on the surrounding residential streets? Mr. Wilkinson stated that Austin-Foust
would have to answer the question because they prepared the study for the City. He is not involved with
the traffic flow patterns.
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Garv Brahm. Executive Vice-President of Chaoman Universitv, said it is their desire to become a more
residential Univers~y. The new residence hall allows them to have a higher portion of their students living
on campus. This will reduce traffic around the University considerably. The University is committed to
make the necessary changes to improve the parking situation. They know that parking is a major concern
to the neighbors. It's hard for the University to talk about their future plans. Many ideas are never funded.
The next major plan they have is to expand the library in the next few years. but it depends on the
contributions they receive.
Commissioner Carlton could see the need for a parking structure if the University were to acquire property
on Glassell for future student housing. Dr. Brahm stated the University continues to be interested in
purchasing properties in the community and along Glassell. They currently own some apartments on
Glassell and they are negotiating to buy another piece of property.
Commissioner Smith has lived within six blocks of Chapman University for 32 years, and before that she
lived three-quarters of a mile from the campus. She has seen a tremendous growth over the last 15 years
with the University. She knows they have a master plan. but it has not been shared with the City. The City
does not know what their plans are. It's extremely difficult to make good decisions when separate projects
are presented for consideration. She stressed that the University needs to be honest with the City about
their future plans. Everyone knows there are active efforts to acquire real estate in the neighborhood. No
one sees the purpose of having such a large parking structure on this particular corner. The parking
situation has always been a problem in the neighborhood, and she is surprised that a traffic consultant
only came on board three weeks ago. A traffic consultant should have been hired 10 years ago to project
where they were going to put the cars for the dorms. She cannot vote to move ahead with the project until
the Commission sees a long-term parking plan. Her concern comes from the fact that the parking structure
is being built where there was once a residential neighborhood. She hasn't heard enough reason from
the University why the structure needs to be built there. She walked the dorm area and it looks like the
University will need to upgrade the 2-story buildings at some point.
Dr. Brahm responded there is no secret. The University has had other parking consultants. He reminded
the Commission that the parking problems are not entirely theirs. And, he believes a number of things can
be done to improve the situation. The parking structure reasonably fits onto the parcel. They want to
efficiently use as much space as possible for parking. They have a plan to purchase property in the
community as it becomes available. If donors are interested in the University's expansion, plans are
implemented but it's something that is not totally within their control. They are borrowing money to build
the parking structure, but they will not be able to borrow money to build and expand the library. They have
recently renovated the Harris apartments. They are in the process of renovating two of the buildings in the
Davis apartments and next year they will renovate the remaining three. They are making repairs and
improving them, rather than tearing them down and replacing them.
Mr. Biggs pointed out that the C~y conditioned the University that they could not occupy the residence
hall until they replaced the parking that was displaced by the construction of the building. Additionally.
one of the proposed conditions is that prior to issuance of any permit. that they bring back to the
Commission for final approval a Parking Management Plan.
The Commission and Mr. Biggs talked about enlarging the parking structure to the east to provide a third
aisle of parking inside the parking structure with less height to minimize the mass and bulk of the structure.
Mr. Biggs pointed out there is not sufficient width on the site. Curb lines and setback areas were also
discussed.
Keith Dodson. 144 Stanford Lane. Seal Beach, is the contractor who will be building the parking structure.
He is available to answer construction questions.
Huah Lona. 32 Sawarass. is with International Parking Design who is working on the architectural box of
the parking structure. He explained the height and lighting associated with the structure.
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Bob Mickelson. P.O. Box 932, has been a consu~ant for the University over the last four years and spoke
favorably about the project. Without question, the one reoccurring theme in all of the neighborhood
meetings is parking. He believes there is a demonstrated need for additional parking from the immediate
neighbors around the campus.
15 oeoole sooke in oooosition
Anne Siebert, 340 South Olive. spoke on behalf of the OTPA Board of Directors.
Mary Anne Skarpanich, 292 North Cambridge.
Mary Matuzak, 340 South Grand.
Dean Hiser, 545 South Grand.
John Whiteriver, 194 South Pixley.
Joan Crawford, 394 South Orange Street.
Karen Higgins, 456 North Shaffer Street.
John Aleccia. 510 North Orange Street.
Mr. Swenson, 520 North Orange Street.
Janet Crenshaw, 464 North Shaffer Street.
Curtis Bingham, 506 East Jefferson Avenue.
Gene Wellofry, 140 Crescent Bay Drive. Laguna Beach - owns property at 441-471 North Glassell.
Jeff Frankel. 384 South Orange Street.
Courtney Ouellette, 569 North Orange Street.
Mark Ouellette, 569 North Orange Street.
It was also noted that a letter of opposition was received from Leann Taagepera, 367 North Maplewood.
The speakers were opposed to the project because the University has not presented solid evidence for
building another parking structure. The neighbors were not notified or consulted about the University's
plans until recently. It is felt that the chapel needs to be discussed along with this parking structure; piece-
meal projects are not acceptable. A master plan must be submitted to the City tor review; future land use
plans need to be discussed. A building of this size will have negative impacts on the community. Not all
design issues have been addressed by the Design Review Committee. Reference was made to Pages
3-10 and 3-11 of the Specific Plan regarding a Traffic and Parking Management Plan. The parking
structure needs to be a benefit to the Historic District. What is Chapman University doing differently than if
they were building the structure in another area (other than a Historic District)? Has Chapman studied
other parking structures located in other National Historic Districts or in a historical context? Plans only
include huge. monolithic structures that have no relation to their other historic buildings in terms of
design, mass or human skill. The law school has been built around a historic facade of an old school
building and it is considered to be an asset to the community. Unlike the law school building, the parking
structure appeared very quickiy. Have all the options for more parking, internal to the campus. been
explored? Is it possible that the parking structure can wait until the parking study is completed? Has the
City conditioned the new residence hall on the University finding more parking? The architectural design
of the structure is inadequate. Chapman University needs to develop and design their campus to
compliment and enhance the Historic District. The University also has the ability to develop and maintain a
preservation school, which could help support the City in their efforts to maintain the District with
development standards, use of alternative materials. adopted land use concepts and other issues. They
should also develop an economic program that could be invaluable to the small business owners in the
Downtown District. The structure is too large in scale for the Old Towne District, and the architecture does
not fit. The community does not believe a new parking structure will solve any of the problems associated
with the University's continued growth. Additional noise and light glare from the structure are concerns
that need to be addressed. All studies need to be completed and traffic concerns addressed. including
children's safety, before proceeding with the parking structure. Parking passes cost almost $80 now and
many students reject the passes.
RECESS - Chairman Bosch recessed the meeting at 9:20 p.m.
RECONVENE - The meeting reconvened at 9:30 p.m.
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Applicant's response
Mr. Biggs responded to the concerns of traffic congestion. A traffic analysis was prepared and submitted
to the City which pointed out they would not be adding significantly to the circulation. They planned the
structure so that vehicles would enter from the south. Traffic would come off of University Drive into the
structure at that point and the circulation in the structure is such that traffic would be flowing south again
out to the south on University Drive to Glassell. The best control for all concerned will be the signalized
intersection. Back in March, the University took a conceptual plan of the residence hall with a site plan to
the residents. The parking structure had not been planned at that time. They polled their students and
one of their high priorities was for additional parking. So, they decided to build the structure now rather
than wait another year or so. They have tried to be up front about their plans. And, the Commission did
condition the residence hall occupancy with the University providing the additional parking. They believe
that by adding the parking structure will ultimately provide the parking benefits that everyone is looking for.
Responding to a question about the Orange Street parking lot, commuter students are allowed to park in
the lot. The space on the north side of Argyros Forum is dedicated to resident and commuter parking.
The residents are parking exclusively in the dorm area as well.
Mr. Biggs stated they looked at existing parking structures in other areas; however, they did not fit this
particular site. They thought their initial proposal would put the structure in the background and that it
would be a better approach, but DRC wanted to see other options.
Dr. Brahm clarified the University charges $50 per year for parking on campus. This fee has not changed
for a number of years. To clarify further. commuter students park in the Argyros Forum Lot. Commuter
students also park in the Orange Street/Stadium Lot and the University has allowed residents to park
there as well. Additionally. they allow commuter students to overflow into the parking structure. And,
faculty and staff of the University. faculty and staff of the Law School, as well as the students of the Law
School park in the structure.
Commissioner Smith suggested converting the tennis courts into parking. The child care center is sitting
on top of some more parking places. Property was acquired on North Shaffer Street and it is not a
contributing structure. This could be used for additional parking. She asked what open space on the
campus could be better utilized for parking and maybe save the University some money until a Master Plan
is developed?
Dr. Brahm said maybe something could be done with a fresh review of the parking spaces. They
previously took out the volley ball courts to increase the parking area for the residents. He objected to
taking out the tennis courts and child study center.
Commissioner Smith wasn't suggesting that these uses be eliminated. but rather relocated to other
properties in the neighborhood. Parking should be next to the dorms.
It was Commissioner Pruett's understanding that the City wanted a Parking Management Plan. And, in the
Parking Management Plan there would be attention given to setting up parking in the proximity of the
student housing. It may require shifting some other parking around. This needed to be resolved before
occupancy could take effect. It wasn't necessarily additional parking; ~ was just managing what was already
there. New parking does not have to be created for the residence hall. Consideration of a parking
structure was not before the Commission when reviewing the residence hall. The Commission did not
approve a project that was going to require building a parking structure.
Mr. Biggs read the City's resolution and interpreted that it meant to provide a parking structure.
Chairman Bosch said another interpretation would be to find ways to resolve the parking by other means.
A parking structure may not be the only solution to fulfill the conditions of approval. The Commission was
very careful to provide the need to fulfill the parking requirements without requiring that a parking structure
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be built. Their review of the residence hall was conditioned to avoid requiring a parking structure to be
built before occupying them. However. the study may find there is no other solution. That is something
the University would need to tell the City. Phasing needs to be considered.
Commissioner Smith stated the Lemon Street parking lot is too far away from the dorms. She would offer
rewards for car pooling for the faculty and staff. And, offer a shuttle service from the Lemon Street parking
lot for faculty members. She encouraged the Universijy to look at other space. such as the tennis courts.
She questioned whether the tennis courts were in the best place, next to the dorms. Look at restriping
the flat land to include compact spaces. An assessment needs to be made of how many students have
cars. The commercial property on Glassell is high priced and she does not propose for that to be used for
parking. A Parking Management Plan is essential so that everyone knows who is supposed to park where.
Dr. Brahm used to participate in a van car pooling program, but it was not successful. They had a shuttle
service from the Palm Street lot for six months. but people did not use the lot. The University is not
allowed to put in compact parking spaces according to the Specific Plan. Only one space size is allowed
throughout the campus.
Mr. Hornacek looked at some existing parking structures that had some very interesting traditional
detailing. They were very urban. on-street solutions. The idea of an underground parking structure is
very costly and would set a precedent. They are difficult to control and security would be an issue. While
Chapman University is growing, they have two options: One would be to grow vertically and the other is to
eat up more of Old Towne. Everyone prefers that the campus stay on its footprint and go up. They will be
sitting down with the ORC to work out the architectural details to everyone's satisfaction.
The public hearing was closed.
Commissioner Pruett goes back to the issue of the parking and traffic study. He would like to see that
before making a decision. There needs to be more work with the community in terms of what the
community would like to see. He asked if this is the appropriate location for a parking structure. He
thought there was sufficient parking at the University to meet the immediate needs, if it were properly
managed. This is more than a parking issue; it's really a transportation issue that goes beyond finding a
parking space.
Commissioner Romero agreed there isn't a solid evidence of need primarily due to the fact that the
existing parking structure is not fully utilized. Additional parking will be needed when the University meets
its cap of 4,000 students. But, no one knows when this will occur. He questions the aesthetics of the
project. He believes the structure would be an impact on the community. That it would not be less than
significant due to the mass. size and scale of the structure. A mitigation measure to address this issue
would be a suitable parking management plan.
Commissioner Carlton thinks something needs to be done now to rearrange the current parking facilities
and not build a new parking structure.
Commissioner Smith stated the parking management plan needs to be detailed in terms of where
everybody is going to park. She asked the University to enlist the aid of the community. The parking
structure is way too big and too tall. Another idea is to use golf carts for shuttling people around the
campus. Chapman University's Master Plan would be a tremendous gift to the community.
Chairman Bosch spoke about the history of Chapman University. Open communication between the
University, City and the community must continue. He believes that the intent of the conditions of
approval for the residence hall did not require the parking structure to be built or approved. A parking
management plan involves the full understanding of the source of parking impacts. a source of students,
faculty and staff. as well as their movement and where they go. and alternate methods of transportation is
the key issue towards occupancy of the residence hall -- not a parking structure. It is clear to him that
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in no way could the existing parking structure resolve the basic parking and traffic management issues of
the main part of Chapman University. A clear traffic circulation plan has not been presented to the
Commission for review. This project requires more information. And, it may require some change in order
to clearly demonstrate that mitigation occurs. The location for the parking structure is probably the best. if
access, bulk and mass, control of the lights and noise impacts, traffic controls. size and architectural
design are addressed and mitigated. Some more work is needed to mitigate the size of the building. He
would like to see the applicant come back with improvements to the project in order to provide a long-term
solution to the campus.
The Commission asked the applicant if they were willing to continue their project. The applicant concurred
to a four to six week continuance.
MOTION
Moved by Commissioner Smith and seconded by Commissioner Pruett to continue Mitigated Negative
Declaration 1640-00 to the meeting of August 21. 2000.
AYES:
NOES:
Commissioners Bosch. Carlton, Pruett. Romero, Smith
None
MOTION CARRIED
IN RE:
CONTINUED HEARING
4. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2311-99 AND ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENT 99-19 - ROMAN
CATHOLIC BISHOP OF ORANGE
A request to allow substantial on-site improvements and additional burial facilities at Holy Sepulcher
Cemetery. The request for an administrative adjustment is to allow additional fencing height. The site is
located at 7845 Santiago Canyon Road.
(This item was continued from the April 17, 2000 meeting.)
Negative Declaration 1622-99 was prepared to evaluate the environmental impacts of this
project.
Mr. Godlewski reported that the revised changes to the application no longer require the administrative
adjustment for fence height.
NOTE:
The public hearing was opened.
Dan White represented the applicant as their architect. He spoke to the items that were brought up at the
previous meeting. There was concern about the location of the maintenance yard wall along the north
property line and that it needed to be stepped back in order to provide a more appropriate buffer to the
residents. They have stepped the wall back five feet and provided landscaping and irrigation across the
entire north property line. The ground cover will cover a new berm that is placed in that part of the yard so
the wall height will be minimized. All of the walls around the maintenance yard have been lowered to a
height of six feet so they no longer need an administrative adjustment. Their landscaping plans have
been submitted to the DRC. They've also prepared a plan that shows the issues related to the
landscaping on the east property line where the family crypt area is located. They plan to mitigate the
noise of the pump house by putting in a masonry wall and sound absorbent materials between the pumps
and residents.
3 people spoke in opposition
Chuck McNees, 11211 Orange Park Boulevard.
Anita Bennyhoff, 10642 Morada Drive.
Bob Bennyhoff, 10642 Morada Drive.
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They still oppose the proposed project. Issues of concern are that this is a commercial development of
about 653.000 square feet. The crypts and mausoleum will be very visible to the public. They are losing
their rural atmosphere in East Orange. There is concern about the loss of a planned pathway/trail at the
south side of the site. The general welfare is not being preserved by this project. The City has never built
any trails. The County. on occasion. has helped with trails. The Association builds and maintains the trails.
They questioned whether the masonry wall will be attractive and questioned the drainage problems.
Notice was given that the opposition will appeal the Commission's decision as they have reason to believe
the City Council will listen to them.
The applicant did not wish to respond to the opposition's comments.
The Commission asked for staff to respond to the drainage question. Mr. Hohnbaum stated the area
being discussed is in an unincorporated area. It was addressed during the widening of Santiago Canyon
Road. The southerly end of the cemetery property will drain down into the base of the dam. He heard
Mrs. Bennyhoff suggest possibly rechanneling that water out onto the street. Unfortunately, because of
the change in grades. that will not be possible. But there is a small conveyance system that carries that
water adjacent to the base of the dam.
Dave Heoburn, representing the applicant, spoke about their plan taking the drainage into consideration
for a 100-year flood. There will be no grave spaces in the 100-year flood area on their property. In
response to Commissioner Carlton's question, the applicant did not meet with Orange Park Acres
residents after the last Planning Commission hearing.
The public hearing was closed.
Commissioner Carlton liked the plans very much. It is a very peaceful, beautiful site and she believes the
cemetery fits in well. The trail issue is an entirely different matter and the City Council will need to address
this issue.
All Commissioners concurred this was a good project and supported its approval. with the withdrawal of
the administrative adjustment.
MOTION
Moved by Commissioner Pruett and seconded by Commissioner Carlton to approve Negative Declaration
1622-99 finding that the project would not have a significant adverse impact on the environment or wildlife
resources.
AYES:
NOES:
Commissioners Bosch. Carlton, Pruett. Romero, Smith
None
MOTION CARRIED
MOTION
Moved by Commissioner Pruett and seconded by Commissioner Smith to accept the withdrawal of
Administrative Adjustment 99-19, and approve Conditional Use Permit 2311-99 with conditions 1 through
10, finding that the conditional use permit is granted upon sound principles of land use and in response to
services required by the community. It will not cause a deterioration of bordering land uses or create
special problems for the area in which the site is located. It has been considered in relationship to its effect
on the community or neighborhood plans for the area in which the site is located. And, it is made subject
to those conditions necessary to preserve the general welfare, not the individual welfare of the applicant.
AYES:
NOES:
Commissioners Bosch, Carlton. Pruett, Romero, Smith
None
MOTION CARRIED
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IN RE:
NEW HEARING
5. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2334-00 AND VARIANCE 2085-00 - ABDEL AZIZ (QUAN'S
RESTAURANT)
A request to operate an entertainment establishment within an existing restaurant to include activities
such as karaoke and dancing, the use of coin operated amusement devices such as video games and
billiard tables. and the serving of alcoholic beverages w~hin an outdoor patio dining area expansion. The
variance would allow the expansion of the restaurant to an outdoor patio dining area, without providing the
minimum number of off-street parking spaces required by code. The site is located at 1107 North Tustin
Street.
NOTE:
This project is categorically exempt from the provisions of the California Environmental Quality
Act.
The Commission questioned the exterior door out onto the patio and the fact that there were no windows
on that side of the building. The emergency exit was an issue that also needed to be addressed.
The public hearing was opened.
Jim Baumqartner. 871 Cedarwood. represented the applicant. The exterior door out onto the patio is a
glass door and the emergency exit is in the patio area. that exits towards the rear of the property. The
applicant does not intend to provide live entertainment on a nightly basis, but occasionally they would like
to have a band for a special event. They are requesting the variance to provide an outdoor patio area for
people who smoke. The proposed patio location was an unsightly storage area for many years.
Commissioner Pruett referred to condition 7 and suggested re-wording the condition to say that service of
alcoholic beverages will cease one hour before closing. The applicant concurred w~h this modification.
Commissioner Smith stated that condition 7 should also specify when alcoholic beverages can commence
to be served. Other restaurants start serving at 11 :00 a.m. Mr. Baumgartner explained they do open for
Sunday brunch at 10:00 a.m.
Commissioner Carlton had parking concerns and she wondered if the added patio would create a further
impact. How do they intend to address overflow parking?
Mr. Baumgartner responded they do not anticipate increased business because of the patio area. It will be
used by the same patrons of the restaurant. who want to smoke.
Heather Fox. 1107 North Tustin Avenue. is a waitress at the restaurant. She stated they will not be using
the patio area for dining; however. they request to serve only alcohol out on the patio. The size of the
patio is 1,300 sq. ft. and will accommodate 47 people.
The public hearing was closed.
Chairman Bosch did not have difficulty with the conditional use permit and the conditions of approval,
subject to the revision of condition 7. He understands the applicant's concern to provide a patio;
however, he cannot find a hardship for the variance request.
Commissioner Smith does not find a hardship to warrant a decrease of 40 parking spaces with this
application.
The Commission talked about condition 4 and the applicant's request of allowing live music other than
karaoke. They acknowledged that some CUP's allow up to three musicians without amplified music.
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It was noted the project is categorically exempt from CEQA review.
MOTION
Moved by Commissioner Bosch and seconded by Commissioner Pruett to approve Conditional Use
Permit 2334-00 with conditions 1 through 12, modifying condition 4 to state: "Live entertainment may be
provided, but shall be limited, if amplified, to only karaoke or non-amplified to musical groups of not more
than three individuals." The rest of the condition shall remain intact. Amend condition 6 to stale: "A sign
shall be posted inside the premises at the rear exit door leading to the side yard area which shall state 'NO
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES BEYOND THIS POINT". Said sign shall measure no less than 7" x 11" and
contain lettering no less than one inch in height." And, to revise condition 7 to state: "There shall be no
alcoholic beverages served after 1 :00 a.m., or one hour before closing time, whichever is earlier. And.
there shall be no alcoholic beverages served before 11 :00 a.m. except that on Sundays wine-based
alcoholic beverages may be served before 11 :00 a.m. in conjunction with service of brunch." The
Commission further denies Variance 2085-00. The Commission finds that the conditional use permit is
granted upon sound principles of land use and in response to services required by the community. It will
not cause deterioration of bordering land uses or create special problems for the area based upon denial
of the variance and the inclusion of the conditions of approval, as well as the physical layout of the
premises. That the conditional use permit has been considered in relationship to its effect on the
community and neighborhood plan for the area in which it is located. The conditional use permit has been
granted subject to conditions necessary to preserve the general welfare, not the individual welfare of the
applicant. The variance has been denied because there are no special circumstances applicable to the
property, including its size, shape. topography, location or surroundings wherein the strict application of
the zoning ordinance could be found 10 deprive the subject property of privileges enjoyed by other
properties in the vicinity and under identical zoning clarification.
AYES:
NOES:
Commissioners Bosch. Carlton, Pruett. Romero. Smith
None
MOTION CARRIED
6. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2336-00 - CKE RESTAURANTS, INC. (CARL'S JR. RESTAURANT)
A request to allow a fast-food restaurant with a drive-thru lane. The site is located at the northwest corner
of The City Drive and Metropolitan Drive.
NOTE:
This project is categorically exempt from the provisions of the California Environmental Quality
Act.
There was no opposition to this item; therefore, the full reading of the staff report was waived. And, the
public hearing was opened.
Lorenzo Reves. The Reves Group. Inc.. represents the applicant. They have read the staff report and
concur with the conditions of approval. They feel the drive-thru lane is more than adequate for a fast-food
restaurant. The playground will be an amenity for customers to enjoy.
The public hearing was closed.
It was noted the project was categorically exempt from CEQA review.
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MOTION
Moved by Commissioner Bosch and seconded by Commissioner Pruett to approve Conditional Use
Permit 2336-00 with conditions 1 through 10. noting that the project conforms to sound principles of land
use and provides services required by the community without causing deterioration of bordering land
uses or creating special problems for its area. It has been considered in relationship to the neighborhood
and community plans for the area in which the site is located; specifically, The Block at Orange. And, has
been granted subject to conditions necessary to preserve the general welfare and not the individual
welfare of the applicant. Based on the Staff Review Committee and Design Review Committee reviews
that specifically the project conforms to the requirements of the specific approvals for design standards for
The Block development.
AYES:
NOES:
Commissioners Bosch. Carlton, Pruett, Romero, Smith
None
MOTION CARRIED
7. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2340-00 - BRIAN BUTLER (VILLA FORD)
A request to allow temporary shared off-site parking for approximately 412 vehicles from Villa Ford behind
the Wal-Mart Store in the Mall of Orange. The site is located at Tustin Street and Heim Avenue.
NOTE:
This project is categorically exempt from the provisions of the California Environmental Quality
Act.
The public hearing was opened.
Brian Butler. President of Villa Ford, did not have a presentation, but was happy to answer any questions
of the Commission. He stipulated that he voluntarily set the time limit on the expiration of the conditional
use permit. They only need to use the back parking lot of the Mall of Orange for a couple of months in
order to build their new show room. They do not wish to place a burden on the Mall during the Christmas
season.
The public hearing was closed.
It was noted the project is categorically exempt from CEQA review.
MOTION
Moved by Commissioner Smith and seconded by Commissioner Carlton to approve Conditional Use
Permit 2340-00 with conditions 1 through 10 listed in the staff report with the findings that the conditional
use permit is granted upon sound principles of land use. It will not cause deterioration of bordering land
uses. It has been considered in relationship to the plan's effect on the City of Orange General Plan. and it
is granted subject to the conditions necessary to preserve the general welfare, not the individual welfare
of the applicant. This is a time-limited conditional use permit and the applicant stipulates and concurs with
the deadline stated in condition 3.
AYES:
NOES:
IN RE:
Commissioners Bosch, Carlton, Pruett, Romero. Smith
None
MOTION CARRIED
ADJOURNMENT
Moved by Commissioner Pruett and seconded by Commissioner Smith to adjourn to a Planning
Commission study session on Monday. June 12, 2000 at 7:00 p.m. in the Weimer Room to discuss the
Housing Element; and then to adjourn to a study session on June 19, 2000 at 5:30 p.m. in the Weimer
Room to discuss the Santiago Hills Phase II project. The meeting adjourned at 11 :55 p.m.
AYES:
NOES:
Commissioners Bosch. Carlton. Pruett. Romero, Smith
None
MOTION CARRIED
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