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Planning Commission
City of Orange
November 6, 2000
Monday - 7:00 p,m.
PRESENT:
ABSENT:
STAFF
PRESENT:
Commissioners Bosch, Carlton, Pruett, Romero, Smith
None
John Godlewski, Principal Planner,
Mary Binning, Assistant City Attorney,
Roger Hohnbaum, Assistant City Engineer, and
Sue Devlin, Recording Secretary
IN RE:
CONSENT CALENDAR
1 . Approval of the Minutes from the Meeting of October 16, 2000.
MOTION
Moved by Commissioner Smith and seconded by Commissioner Carlton to approve the Minutes of
October 16, 2000.
AYES:
NOES:
Commissioners Bosch, Carlton, Pruett, Romero, Smith
None
MOTION CARRIED
IN RE:
NEW HEARINGS
2, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2355-00 - CLARK & DENIECE HILLS
A request to construct a two-story second unit within the Old Towne District. The site is located at 475
South Grand Street.
NOTE:
This project is categorically exempt from the provisions of the California Environmental Quality
Act.
Mr, Godlewski reported that the applicants are proposing to construct a detached two-story second unit at
the rear of the property. The proposal consists of an 890 square foot two-bedroom unit constructed over
a three-car garage and a laundry room, Access to the garage is taken off of Grand Avenue and off of the
ailey. A total of four parking spaces are provided,
The proposal was originally submitted as a 1 1/2 story development, but because of the recent regulations
delining that 1 1/2 story development, the second floor is greater than 60% of the lirst, which required
review by the Planning Commission as a second story unit. The proposal indicates a style of architecture
that was found by the DRC to be consistent with the Old Towne Design Standards and the Secretary of
Interior Standards,
Included in the Commission's packets are several correspondence on the General Plan and zoning
consistency issue, and a letter from the City Attomey on that subject,
Chairman Bosch noted for the record all of the letters and correspondence they received.
The public hearing was opened.
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Clark Hills, 475 South Grand Street, submitted a picture board showing homes in Old Towne that have
2nd units to the rear of the property, and three-car garages. He spoke to the issues and concerns raised
in the lelters of opposition, They are requesting to build a new two-story second unit with a three-car
garage at the rear of their property.
John Unnert. architect for the proiect, read his comments into the record. The proposed project has been
approved by the DRC and it meets all of the regulations, standards, setbacks and parking requirements, It
has a FAR of 46%. The project is compatible to the character of the surrounding neighborhood and is
considered to be all /2 story style of structure that brings the top most elements of height down well
below a typical two-story structure.
9 people spoke in opposition to the project
Joan Crawford, 394 South Orange Street, spoke on behalf of the Board of Directors of OTPA.
Luis Caballero, 487 South Grand Street.
Kristin Caballero, 487 South Grand Street.
Joan Newcomb, 429 South Grand Street.
Annalisa Goode, 438 South Grand Street.
Angie Rust, 493 South Grand Street.
Gary Warner, 464 South Center Street; also represented Dorothy Court, 480 South Center Street.
Tom Matuzak, 340 South Grand Street.
Noel Wilcox, 458 South Grand Street.
Neighbors were opposed to the project because of the inconsistencies between the General Plan and
the current zoning designation. The blocks are oversaturated with an additional number of second units
as well as a couple of single family residences that are over sized. They are concerned with the design
standards, which need to be reviewed, For the entire District, massing, scale, shape, proportion, open
space, rhythm and paltern need to be maintained. There should be periodic, timely reviews of the
developments in Old Towne to determine when enough is enough <referring to cumulative effect), There
needs to be a review of the zoning and the design standards so that some type of direction can be
developed. The current project by itself may be acceptable, but no one is sure what it does based on
what else is on the block, The current density is very high compared to the rest of the District. The
proposed second unit fails to meet the minimum lot frontage requirement of 60 feet. Properties are more
valuable as single family residences in Old Towne, Second units now adversely affect the use, enjoyment
and economic value of other properties. The non-conforming lot designation no longer applies. There
was objection to the second unit being larger than the primary residence. Concern was expressed about
increased traffic, speeding, parking, noise, children's safety and density in the neighborhood, A petition
was submilted, signed by 50% of the neighbors who are going to request that their street be re-zoned
from R-2 to R-l. They want to maintain their homes as a single family neighborhood n not as a commercial,
rental district. The project should not be exempt from CEQA review. A couple of people believed this is a
new home that is being built on the alley. The entire project is oriented towards the alley. All access will be
from the alley and the upstairs porch overlooks the alley, It was requested that the upstairs balcony be re-
oriented towards the west.
1 person spoke in favor
Barbara Frey, 405 South Grand Street.
Ms. Frey plans to add a second unit on her property in two to four years, and is against re-zoning to R-l-G.
Applicant's response
Mr. Unnert responded to the comments that were made, The project meets the zoning requirements and
parking will be provided on the site,
Mr. Hills feels he is building a good project which has been designed to be compatible with the Old Towne
Guidelines, The DRC has approved his project and complimented him on the design of the structure. By
orienting the unit towards the alley, II gives the occupant their own separate entrance. All materials that will
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be used are compatible and will match the front house, and are approved by the DRC, At the same time
they are constructing the back house, they will be painting the front house. Landscape plans were not
required.
The public hearing was closed,
Commissioner Carlton asked about the minimum requirements for an accessory second unit built on a R-l
lot. Mr, Godlewski responded that 640 square feet is the maximum for an accessory second unit in the R-1
zone.
Commissioner Romero wanted staff to comment on the issue of non-conforming use for lot frontage, as
questioned by Mr, Caballero. Mr, Godlewski referred to the section of the Orange Municipal Code relating
to the non-conforming chapter of the zoning ordinance. Section 17,38.010 D, points out that the intent
and purpose is to discourage the continuance of non-conformities where they adversely affect the intent
and purpose of the code and the general plan or the maintenance, development, use, enjoyment, or
economic value of other properties in the vicinity, The section that staff used was a very specific section of
17,38,070 in which it discusses non-conforming lots, which he read for the record. Staff typically
interprets this section to mean that a narrower, than what is currently required lot, can be used to the full
extent of the zone, as long as it meets all of the other development standards, He believes Mr, Caballero
was trying to point out that there is also a purpose and intent that needs to be considered in relation to that
regulation.
Commissioner Smith asked if a tri-plex is allowed on a 6,000 square foot R-2-6 lot? To her knowledge, it is
not. Mr. Godlewski said that under current zoning, Old Towne issues aside, the R-2 zone allows one unit
for every 3,000 square feet of lot area, The condition that was described may in fact have occurred under
a prior zoning ordinance, If it had, it would be able to remain as a non-conforming use.
Commissioner Smith said there is the issue of density in this particular area, as addressed by the City
Attorney's memo, Ms. Binning addressed the issue of consistency between the R-2-6 zoning and the
General Plan first. It's important to note that she addressed the legal defensibility of having a R-2-6 zone
with a low-density General Plan designation in the Land Use Element. The issue of whether or not this
particular project meets other criteria is not what is being addressed, The R-2-6 zoning is not in and of
itself inconsistent with the General Plan. There are many elements of the General Plan which were
required to be looked at in determining legal consistency, In this case, there are three key elements of the
General Plan which are impacted by the zone. One is the Land Use Element. The second is the Historic
Element. The third would be the Housing Element.
Under the Land Use Element, when it was adopted, it was recognized in adopting the zone that low
density and R-2-6 were not necessarily consistent. But, that happens across the board in many instances.
For instance, R-2-6 is not consistent with many of the existing uses in the R-2-6 zone. At the time it was
adopted, there were many uses which wouldn't necessarily be considered R-2-6 uses, Exact conformity
with the zone has never been a test for whether or not the zoning designation is allowable with a certain
General Plan designation.
Looking beyond just simply the Land Use Element, there's the Historic Preservation Element. At the time
that it was adopted, there was recognition that the base zoning was not consistent with the existing uses
in a great part, if not most, of Old Towne. And the Historic Element recognized that the R-2-6 zoning
could possibly increase density, and recognized that this may not be good. Therefore, there were several
suggestions and recommendations made when the Historic Element was adopted to mitigate this, For
instance, the overlay zone, the Old Towne Design Standards, demolition control, and use regulations.
The Historic Element of the General Plan says that to counteract these possible negative effects of the
R-2-6 zone, there should be some overlay and some regulation of uses. In addition, the General Plan, at
the time, predicted that zoning incentives could possibly enhance historic preservation,
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In the Housing Element, one of the goals of the Housing Element is to increase the stock of affordable
housing. The Housing Element, when it was adopted, recognized that Orange has a historic center core
to the City which presents housing opportunities. At the same time, there might be some historic issues
which are not necessarily compatible with increasing the housing stock, Therefore, the Housing Element
recognizes and encourages the Old Towne Design Guidelines, which are now the design standards, as a
method of mitigating these competing interests -- increasing housing and historic preservation, It's the
Housing Element which provides some criteria in stating that increase of housing stock on
underdeveloped properties is encouraged by allowing a moderate amount of additional residential
development.
There is going to be tension with development of property, The key is to strike a balance. R-2-6 zoning
and a low density residential designation must be looked at in the context 01 the Historic Preservation
Element and the Housing Element. It is not legally inconsistent; it's legally defensible.
Commissioner Smith and Pruett wanted staff to address the cumulative effect issue, as well as the
precedent of constructing the unit towards the alley. Mr. Godlewski said provisions have not been made
in the ordinance to go back and actually determine at what point is it considered to be too much. The
cumulative effect of development of additional units in the R-2 zone has in general been accounted for in
terms of all the issues that arise from ultimate development of all of the properties, not only in terms of
traffic, but in terms of sewer, water and all of the infrastructure that goes along with that. In this case, it was
felt by the applicant that utilization of the alley would take traffic off of Grand and focus it more on the alley,
Although there have not been specific studies as to what the effect on the alley would be, the overall
studies of the Old Towne area, taking into consideration the potential for increased development,
probably has only gone to the level of determining what the rise in on-street traffic counts would be, and
not necessarily issues relating to design or quality of life or the impact of additional cars in the alley,
Ms. Binning commented on the net vs. gross acreage, It is not illegal to use net or gross acreage in
different areas of the General Plan, It perhaps makes things unclear, but there is nothing inherently wrong
with it. The City Attorney's office has not found a legal issue with that distinction.
Mr. Godlewski said the difference between net and gross acreage is looking at an area on a lot by lot basis,
or an area-wide basis. It becomes a matter of administration and how to determine that. It's much easier for
staff to calculate things on a lot-by-Iot basis as opposed to a gross density. In the case of low density
residential, it would require a minimum lot size of 7200 square feet net to produce a maximum General
Plan density of 6 units to the acre. In this particular case, the net lot is less than 7200 square feet, but il
you figure the area around it, it is over 7200 square feet.
In response to Commissioner Pruett's question, Mr. Godlewski said in the R-2 zone 350 square feet per
unit is required for usable open space,
Commissioner Pruett had some real concerns with the orientation of the unit facing onto the alley. It
presents some serious problems in terms of a precedent. The alley is not designed to be a road. It also
presents some parking problems for people who visit the property. In looking at the plans, the open
space that is available to the unit is the balcony on the second floor. The back yard is fenced with a gate
and there does not appear to be access for the people who live in the rear unit. He is concerned about
the size of the project, He is not opposed to second units, But, in ferms of preserving the integrity of the
Old Towne Guidelines, to have a second unit that is significantly larger than the existing house raises
some concerns. The structure is wider than a three-car garage.
Commissioner Carlton wanted to know why the one-car garage has doors at both ends, giving it access to
the front and back. She did not think that was necessary. That could be redesigned to allow more open
space for the unit in the back. The cumulative impact is important to keep in mind. She agreed with
Commissioner Pruett in the orientation of the unit on the alley. That's not an attractive living arrangement.
She would like to see the unit pushed more toward the back of the lot with more open space and
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decrease the size of the one-car garage. She questions the guest parking. She's not against second
units, but this one needs to be fine tuned and some changes made,
Commissioner Romero did not have a problem with second units due to the zoning of the property. He
also agrees with Commissioner Pruett. The access to the unit is through the alley; there is no access from
the front of the street. He sees parking problems for visitors, but construction of the unit will improve the
appearance of the alley, There does not appear to be green, open space for the tenants.
Commissioner Smith said this is not the only property in Old Towne that has a small front house and larger
second unit. The City requires a parking requirement that drives the size of the second unit. There are
still properties that have large barns behind the residences, She likes the orientation to the alley; it's
different and it's fresh. That alley is not attractive, This proposal looks better than anything else sitting in
the alley, including the looming two-story stucco structure. This would help to set a precedent of
something that is different, but certainly could be attractive, The orientation to the alley preserves the
front house, It lets it stand by itself in its historic context, and it improves its status on the property, She
didn't think it was the intent of the applicant to shut off the yard from use by the tenant. If it is, that needs
to be addressed. She likes things in Old Towne that are different. Traffic and speeding are serious
concerns, but are not related to this project. She encourages the residents to talk to City staff and the
Police Department about their concerns, She is concerned about the style of opposition with this project.
She would love to see all of Old Towne zoned R-l. She would still encourage the pursuit of whatever
zoning issues there are, But, this project came in under R-2 zoning and the applicant is entitled to pursue
a second unit on his property, She thought maybe the cumulative effect is 50%, based on the number of
second units in a neighborhood. The second unit for this property is appropriate and the design is not
offensive.
Chairman Bosch is concerned about the densification in Old Towne and has fought on occasion to
change the zoning to preserve the residential character of the area, He recognizes there is quite a mixture
of housing and different levels of density, The variety of styles makes Old Towne unique. The FAR of ,7
in the ordinance is quite high. Bulk and mass cannot be defined, The zoning applied to Old Towne many
years ago should not have occurred, The 10 foot setback from the alley property line intrudes into the
open space. He's worried about the small balcony facing the alley, That is unusual in terms of the
contextuality to historic elements in Old Towne. The architect has done a great job of minimizing the size
and raising the sill height of windows on the second floor unit to minimize visual intrusions to adjacent
properties, The unit also puts the stairway on the inside of the garage. He is concerned about open
space for the rear unit. He shares the concern about the size of the structure, but acknowledges that a
second unit could work on the property if the design were modified.
Commissioner Pruett pointed out that the visual intrusion of the property owners across the alley must be
taken into consideration.
The Commission discussed the alley issues and visual intrusions. They asked the applicant if he were
willing to continue the project to re-design the second unit to address their concerns of the deck,
windows, access, usable open space and the orientation of the building.
Mr, Unnert agreed to a continuance.
Commissioner Smith hoped that they could take a look at the cumulative effects question as it will
continue to come up. She reiterated her concerns about traffic and speeding on the street.
MOTION
Moved by Commissioner Smith and seconded by Commissioner Carlton to continue Conditional Use
Permit 2355-00 to the meeting of December 18, 2000,
AYES:
NOES:
Commissioners Bosch, Carlton, Pruett, Romero, Smith
None
MOTION CARRIED
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RECESS - Chairman Bosch recessed the meeting at 9:20 p.m,
RECONVENE - The meeting reconvened at 9:35 p.m.
3. GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT 5-00 - BIKEWAYS MASTER PLAN UPDATE
The City 01 Orange Bikeways Master Plan Update is an update 01 the City's existing 1995 Bikeways Master
Plan, Key changes in the revised document include: the identification 01 bike routes established since
1995; bike lane/route construction costs, graphics, and available funding sources lor bikeway
improvements; the establishment of criteria to be used in setting priorities lor bikeway construction; and
the expansion 01 community and employer outreach programs,
NOTE:
Negative Declaration 1654-00 has been prepared lor the Bikeways Master Plan Update in
accordance with Section 15070 01 the CEQA Guidelines to evaluate the potential
environmental impacts 01 this project.
The public hearing was opened.
Brian DeSousa. 8342 East Ironwood Avenue, a board member with the Calilornia Association 01 Bicycling
Organizations, spoke in lavor 01 the bike plan. The plan has expanded the network 01 bike lanes and bike
paths on secondary streets, While those routes are great for recreational riders, he pointed out that there
are some riders riding on sidewalks, He would like to see bike lanes on Chapman, but he knows that is
difficult. He stressed that motorist and cyclist education is needed through the DMV or local level.
Chairman Bosch thanked Mr, DeSousa lor sharing his comments with the Commission.
MOTION
Moved by Commissioner Pruett and seconded by Commissioner Carlton to recommend to the City
Council to approve Negative Declaration 1654-00, finding that there is no substantial evidence that the
project will have a significant effect on the environment, and to approve General Plan Amendment 5-00,
finding that it is in compliance with State requirements,
AYES:
NOES:
Commissioners Bosch, Carlton, Pruett, Romero, Smith
None
MOTION CARRIED
IN RE:
ADJOURNMENT
Moved by Commissioner Romero and seconded by Commissioner Pruett to adjourn at 9:45 p.m,
AYES:
NOES:
Commissioners Bosch, Carlton, Pruett, Romero, Smith
None
MOTION CARRIED
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