05-20-2020 DRC MinutesAPPROVED BY THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITEE ON JUNE 17, 2020
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FINAL MINUTES
CITY OF ORANGE May 20, 2020
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE 6:00 p.m.
STAFF PRESENT: Anna Pehoushek, Assistant Community Development Director
Marissa Moshier, Historic Preservation Planner
Monique Schwartz, Associate Planner
Kelly Ribuffo, Associate Planner
Jessica Wang, Administrative Specialist
Simonne Fannin, Recording Secretary
REGULAR SESSION
1. OPENING:
1.1. CALL TO ORDER:
Chair Skorpanich called the meeting to order at 6:09 p.m.
1.2 FLAG SALUTE:
Committee Member McCormack led the flag salute.
1.3 ROLL CALL:
PRESENT: Committee Members McDermott, McCormack, Skorpanich, Fox, and Imboden.
1.4 PUBLIC PARTICIPATION:
Opportunity for members of the public to address the Design Review Committee (DRC) on
matters not listed on the Agenda.
There were no speakers.
2. CONSENT CALENDAR:
Vice Chair Fox requested to vote on the Consent Calendar items separately.
2.1 APPROVAL OF MINUTES: February 20, 2020
A motion was made to approve the February 20, 2020 minutes as emended to staff.
MOTION: Fox
SECOND: Imboden
AYES: McCormack, Fox, Skorpanich, McDermott and Imboden
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
MOTION CARRIED
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2.2 APPROVAL OF MINUTES: March 4, 2020
A motion was made to approve the March 4, 2020 minutes as emended to staff.
MOTION: McCormack
SECOND: Imboden
AYES: McCormack, Skorpanich, McDermott and Imboden
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: Fox
MOTION CARRIED
3. AGENDA ITEMS:
Continued Items: NONE
New Agenda Items:
3.1 DESIGN REVIEW NO. 4901-17 – HOLY SEPULCHER CEMETERY MAINTENANCE
FACILITY
A proposal to construct a 6,480 square foot, single story cemetery maintenance building,
service yard, and related site improvements.
Address: 7751-7845 E. Santiago Canyon Road
Staff Contact: Monique Schwartz, 714-744-7224, mschwartz@cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission
Monique Schwartz, Associate Planner, provided an overview of the project consistent with the
staff report.
Kevin Jennier, project manager for the Diocese, and James Mickartz, project architect, spoke on
behalf of the project. Andy Hoover, director of real estate and construction, Craig Sensenbach
and Tamara McClory from RGM Design were available to answer any landscaping questions.
Chair Skorpanich asked staff if any public comment was received for this project. Marissa
Moshier, Historic Preservation Planner, stated no public comment was received. The public
comment portion of this item was closed.
The Committee had questions and comments on the following:
Ensure that the height of the retaining wall is within the maximum height allowed by Code.
Has there been any communication with Orange Park Acres residents?
Differences in the site plans and roof lines between the project plans and the study submitted
by LSA.
The height from the finished floor to the plate line on the maintenance building.
Long-term maintenance of the wall.
There are several roof forms on the project; the Committee asked the applicant to explain the
roof choices.
Sheet C-2 specifies the wall to be split face; however, the renderings and elevations specify
shot blast. The Committee recommended using similar materials.
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Siding material of the pilasters.
The stack bond vs. running bond on the wall.
The project is well thought out and fits in well with its surroundings.
Palm trees along the east property line, which are scheduled to be removed, should remain
because they set the tone of the skyline.
The proposed Corymbia Ficifolia is difficult to find in the 24-inch box size and there needs
to be an alternative tree to fill that edge; consider the Quercus Agrifolia.
Consider placing a railing along the top of the keystone wall for safety purposes.
The intent of the finish on the six columns at the entryway.
Committee Member McCormack made a motion to recommend approval to the Planning
Commission of Design Review No. 4901-17 – Holy Sepulcher Cemetery Maintenance Facility
based on the findings and conditions in the staff report and with the following additional
conditions:
The applicant shall use the fiber cement proposal as the siding on the maintenance building
instead of the precision block wall.
No split face wall material shall be used on the project.
Construction of the six entry pilasters shall be installed per Sheet A-13 with all the material
on the pilasters to match the stone veneer of the mausoleum.
16 Washingtonia Robusta palm trees shall be maintained along the east property line.
The applicant may replace the 24-inch box size Corymbia Ficifolia tree with Quercus
Agrifolia at 34 to 36 feet on center, or Tristania in the same area as shown along the frontage
of Santiago Canyon Road.
MOTION: McCormack
SECOND: Imboden
AYES: McCormack, Skorpanich, McDermott, Imboden and Fox
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED
RECESS: 7:26 - 7:33 p.m.
3.2 DESIGN REVIEW NO. 4939-18 – ORANGE EXPRESS CAR WASH
A proposal to redevelop an existing 1.09-acre site with a new automated express car wash,
and related site improvements.
Address: 387 N. Tustin Street
Staff Contact: Monique Schwartz, (714) 744-7224, mschwartz@cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission
Monique Schwartz, Associate Planner, provided an overview of the carwash redevelopment
consistent with the staff report.
Eric Liwski and Jefferson Choi, project architects, and Ryan Rush, project landscape architect,
spoke on behalf of the project.
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Chair Skorpanich asked staff if any public comment was received for this project. Marissa
Moshier, Historic Preservation Planner, stated no public comment was received. The public
comment portion of this item was closed.
The Committee had questions and comments on the following:
Provide further information on the height, canopy, and installation of Bay Laurel trees on
Tustin St. What is the program for replacing the existing King Palm street trees with Bay
Laurel trees? Are there examples elsewhere in the City?
Height and canopy of the Bronze Loquat and Fruitless Olive trees.
Proposed height of the building compared to the preliminary review.
Reason for the Conditional Use Permit.
Restrictions on use of the easement.
Parking requirements.
Required tree count versus proposed.
Lack of cohesion on the site; dissimilarity of detached accessory structures. Accessory
structures are far too naturalistic; burnished block instead of split face would be more
industrial and cleaner. Simple white stucco block, simple white precision block, or painted
white block would be acceptable.
Clarification on the panel system.
Intended support for the covering on the pay station canopy.
Lack of clarity on the height of the A-frame skylights and how they are hidden behind the
parapet.
How the wood trellis on the trash enclosure is related to the design of the project. The wood
trellis above the trash enclosure is unacceptable and looks too residential; consider a trellis
made of metal.
The rationale behind the size of the building and the number of vacuum stalls?
Clarification of the space labeled “open to above” on Sheet A-2.2 of the plans.
Context and elevation relative to the adjacent residential buildings was not submitted as
requested from the previous review.
Concern about the dynamics of the building for the area.
Not convinced that the blue color of the vacuum canopies is a cohesive design option; would
prefer gray as a first option, red as a second, and blue as the last option.
Massing of the building has improved; however, there are still significant issues that need to
be addressed.
The Committee cannot make the finding that the design upholds community aesthetics
through the use of an internally consistent integrated design scheme.
There is a tremendous amount of pavement with redundant circulation.
The building is 40 feet longer and has four additional vacuum stations than required;
therefore, the project cannot meet its landscape requirements.
Larger trees could have been planted; there are too many large bushes and it does not meet
the spirit of what the landscape requirement is about, i.e., balancing the built areas and
landscaped areas.
The view from the second story into the residential neighbors needs to be addressed.
The vacuum area has a wheel stop followed by a curb area that is a waste of space. The curb
area could possibly be replaced with bamboo.
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Vacuum spaces 12 and 32 could be removed and replaced with bamboo and/or larger trees.
Remove handicap stall adjacent to the street and explore other areas for it.
The intent is to create shade and not necessarily enforce the tree count.
The orientation of the building, with the long street frontage, makes it much more imposing
and makes the site look completely maximized.
When landscaping matures, the layering of the plants will be fighting against each other.
The Giant Bird of Paradise on Sheet A7.4 will eventually cover the structure and should be
moved.
There are no architectural lighting plans and the proposed light plan is very conventional.
The lighting program has a potential to spill over onto the neighbor’s property. Consider
lowering the height and moving lights inside the property.
The Committee suggested that the applicant revisit the site design, massing, sightline between
the property and the neighbors, and landscaping as the proposal is not acceptable for approval
at this time.
Chair Skorpanich asked the applicant if they would like to continue the item.
The applicant asked for a continuance.
Committee Member Fox made a motion to continue Design Review No. 4939-18 – Orange
Express Carwash to allow the applicant to revise the project based on the Committee’s
recommendations.
MOTION: Fox
SECOND: McCormack
AYES: McCormack, Skorpanich, McDermott, Imboden and Fox
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED
RECESS: 9:30 - 9:36 p.m.
3.3 DESIGN REVIEW NO. 4973-19 – PARK PLAZA MEMORY CARE
A proposal to demolish an existing restaurant building and surface parking lot and construct
a new two-story, 30,113 square foot memory care facility.
574 S. Glassell Street
Staff Contact: Kelly Ribuffo, (714) 744-7223, kribuffo@cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission
Kelly Ribuffo, Associate Planner, provided an overview of the project consistent with the staff
report.
Chair Skorpanich asked staff if any public comment was received for this project. Marissa
Moshier, Historic Preservation Planner, stated no public comment was received. The public
comment portion of this item was closed.
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Axel Guerra, applicant; Don Preecha, project landscape architect; and Gladys Bowen, project
architect spoke on behalf of the project.
The Committee had questions and comments on the following:
Where are the boundaries of the Historic District in relation to the property?
Clarification on the building colors.
Clarification on tree count, landscape features and how specific trees were selected.
Preservation of the Moreton Bay Fig tree and which mitigation measures have been applied
to protect it during construction and post construction.
o Michael Green, arborist for the applicant, provided an explanation of how he
conducted his analysis of his overall evaluation of the health, depth, and root structure.
The Committee is concerned about the removal of the pine trees and the intermingling of
roots in the area. Especially, placing enhanced paving within the drip zone, which is the most
vital support piece of the Moreton bay Fig.
The Committee asked for clarification on the demo process and replacing the pavement in
that area; will there be permeable paving, and a cross-section by the landscape architect to
show how water can still infiltrate the area.
Did the applicant considered placing the entry of the project on the south side which would
lessen and completely remove impacts to the Moreton bay Fig; placing the public outdoor
space to the north, which would provide more shading for seniors and have less of a privacy
impact on the Holy Family edge.
Clarification from the arborist on why he chose impermeable pavers.
Finding a solution that is compliant with CEQA.
There should not be any crossing of the drip line with heritage trees.
The arborist report for site grading and improvements states “all trenching, scraping,
compaction, grading, excavation etc. shall be avoided.” How does the architect propose to
build the project and meet all the requirements?
What reasoning did the geotechnical engineer use to recommend impervious paving?
Concerns about lighting at the upper windows of the entry and the potential for views of the
light source.
Can the drive aisle be placed between the two buildings on the south property line?
The project still looks too institutional.
Project does not embrace Old Towne and Hart Park and does not address historical
characteristics of the neighborhood.
The project is hard edged and does not address the heritage tree.
The architecture is not specifically designed for this context; it could be found anywhere.
The Committee is not convinced that the analysis of the landscape for this project will save
the tree.
There is no sense of the landscaping, bulk and mass of the proposed project, where it falls
and what is allowed.
The proposed trees are too small in terms of their projected mature size.
Concerns about scraping and digging to repave the within the historic heritage tree’s root
zone.
An optional site plan was not considered to address the historic tree.
If the project gets built as proposed, it will affect a historic tree that can never be replaced.
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The Committee is not convinced that the project can be built and still adhere to all the design
guidelines and restrictions in the Mitigated Negative Declaration.
The Committee would benefit from a more integrated recommendation from the geotechnical
engineer, arborist and landscape architect.
Chair Skorpanich asked the applicant if they would prefer a continuance or a recommendation of
denial on the project.
The applicant asked for a continuance.
Committee Member McCormack made a motion to continue Design Review 4973-19 – Park
Plaza Memory Care in order to address the concerns and recommendations of the Committee.
MOTION: McCormack
SECOND: McDermott
AYES: McCormack, Skorpanich, McDermott, Imboden and Fox
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED
4. ADJOURNMENT: 11:02 p.m.
The next regular meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, June 3, 2020, at 5:30 p.m. via various
teleconference locations.