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2013-10-16 DRC Final Minutes 1 CITY OF ORANGE 2 DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE 3 MINUTES - FINAL 4 October 16, 2013 5 Committee Members Present: Carol Fox 6 Tim McCormack 7 Craig Wheeler 8 Joe Woollett 9 10 Committee Members Absent: Robert Imboden 11 12 Staff in Attendance: David Khorram, Chief Building Official 13 Anne Fox, Contract Staff Planner 14 Robert Garcia, Associate Planner 15 Doris Nguyen, Associate Planner 16 Sharon Penttila, Recording Secretary 17 18 Administrative Session — 5:00 P.M. 19 20 Chair Fox opened the Administrative Session at 5:16 p.m. and asked if there were any changes to 21 the agenda and there were none. 22 23 Committee Members made corrections to the September 18, 2013 minutes. ?4 25 Committee Member Wheeler made a motion to adjourn the Administrative Session of the Design 26 Review Committee meeting. 27 28 SECOND: Tim McCormack 29 AYES: Carol Fox, Tim McCormack, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett 30 NOES: None 31 ABSTAIN: None 32 ABSENT: Robert Imboden 33 MOTION CARRIED. 34 35 Administrative Session adjourned at 5:25 p.m. 36 37 Regular Session - 5:30 P.M. 38 39 ROLL CALL: 40 41 The Regular Session began at 5:32 p.m. All Committee Members were present except 42 Committee Member Imboden. 43 44 PUBLIC PARTICIPATION: 45 16 Opportunity for members of the public to address the Design Review Committee on matters not 47 listed on the Agenda. 48 49 There were no speakers. City of Orange — Design Review Committee Final Meeting Minutes for October 16, 2013 Page 2 of 14 1 2 CONSENT ITEMS: 3 4 (1) APPROVAL OF MINUTES: September 18, 2013 5 6 Committee Member Woollett made a motion to approve the minutes from the Design Review 7 Committee meeting of September 18, 2013, with the changes and corrections noted during the 8 Administrative Session. 9 10 SECOND: Craig Wheeler 11 AYES: Carol Fox, Tim McCormack, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett 12 NOES: None 13 ABSTAIN: None 14 ABSENT: Robert Imboden 15 MOTION CARRIED. 16 City of Orange — Design Review Committee Final Meeting Minutes for October 16, 2013 Page 3 of 14 1 AGENDA ITEMS: 2 3 Continued Items: None 4 5 New Agenda Items: 6 7 (2) DRC No. 4653 -12 - SKY PALM MOTEL 8 9 • A proposal to expand an existing motel, which will consist of adding one motel room and 10 the fitness room on the ground floor and one motel room and the storage room on the 11 second floor at the rear of the property. 12 • 210 N. Tustin Street 13 • Staff Contact: Robert Garcia, 714 - 744 -7231, rgarcia @cityoforange.org 14 • DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission 15 16 17 Robert Garcia, Associate Planner, presented a project overview consistent with the Staff Report. 18 He indicated the proposal does not meet the landscape standards. The applicant is proposing to 19 provide 11 trees on -site instead of the required 35 trees. Also the requirement for a 4 -foot wide 20 planter would not meet the required 25 foot minimum drive aisle for two -way traffic. It was felt 21 it was better waving the landscape requirement instead of the backup requirement. ?2 23 Darian Radac, the applicant's architect, address on file, was excited to get this project started. 24 They have tried to add as much landscaping as possible and they will maintain the landscaping. 25 26 Public Comments: 27 28 None. 29 30 Chair Fox opened the item to the Committee for discussion. 31 32 Committee Member Wheeler saw the notes about the palm trees on page 1 but didn't see them 33 on page A4. Mr. Radac said they should have put a photo of the existing palm trees on that page. 34 35 Mr. Garcia addressed the issue of putting a landscape planter all the way across and the problem 36 would be it would push the parking space two feet back. Committee Member Woollett said 37 aesthetically they should take the overhead space and turn it into a planter. Committee Member 38 McCormack didn't think the 6 feet should be a requirement but to upgrade it. Mr. Radac said 39 they could put in a curb and a 4 -foot planter. 40 41 Committee Member McCormack would like the new palms to match the existing ones. 42 43 Chair Fox felt the landscaping could only be seen behind the building and only the palm trees 14 can be seen from the front. 45 46 Committee Member Wheeler didn't see anything that defined what was being done to the 47 property line wall in the back. Mr. Radac said the cabana would be demolished and the existing City of Orange — Design Review Committee Final Meeting Minutes for October 16, 2013 Page 4 of 14 1 wall would remain. Committee Member Wheeler also asked if there would be a problem getting 2 the trash dumpster out with a car parked in space 16. Mr. Radac said they couldn't put the trash 3 enclosure anyplace else on the property and it could be marked as a staff only parking space. 4 5 Committee Member Wheeler said on sheet A5 the elevations were not marked correctly — east 6 should be north and north should be west. 7 8 Committee Member Woollett felt the block wall on the north property line could be an 9 opportunity for some vines. 10 11 Chair Fox noted the bumpers were 3 feet 4 inches off the base of the fence and was being used to 12 protect the palms trees. Committee Member Woollett felt it should be a requirement that the 13 north property line be planted. Committee Member Wheeler said they would condition it when 14 the landscape plan came back to the Committee prior to issuance of building permits. 15 16 Chair Fox made a motion to recommend approval of DRC No. 4653 -13, Sky Palm Motel, to the 17 Planning Commission subject to the Conditions contained in the Staff Report, with the following 18 additional Conditions shown below; and subject to the Findings contained in the Staff Report: 19 20 • A landscape strip shall be provided on the north property line behind the current location 21 of the wheel stops. 22 • The property line block wall at the back of the property shall be reconstructed if it was 23 demolished due to the removal of the cabana. 24 • Parking space #16 marked with employee only parking. 25 • Landscape plan shall come back to the DRC prior to building permit issuance. 26 • Parking bumper shall be replaced with a continuous curb. 27 • Property line wall shall be constructed to match the existing wall. 28 29 SECOND: Tim McCormack 30 AYES: Carol Fox, Tim McCormack, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett 31 NOES: None 32 ABSTAIN: None 33 ABSENT: Robert Imboden 34 MOTION CARRIED. 35 City of Orange — Design Review Committee Final Meeting Minutes for October 16, 2013 Page 5of14 1 (4) DRC No. 4703 -13 — AT &T WIRELESS 2 3 • A proposal to replace an existing light standard with a light standard that would hold 4 wireless antennas. A new equipment /trash enclosure would be constructed on the north 5 end of the parking lot to be shared with Verizon Wireless. 6 • 555 S. Hewes Street (El Modena Park) 7 • Staff Contact: Doris Nguyen, 714- 744 -7223, dnguyen @cityoforange.org 8 • DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission 9 10 11 Doris Nguyen, Associate Planner, presented a project overview consistent with the Staff Report. 12 13 Alexander Lew, from Core Communications, address on file, stated the design had been dictated 14 by Community Services. They have found the conditions in the staff report acceptable. 15 16 Public Comments: 17 18 None. 19 20 Chair Fox opened the item to the Committee for discussion. 21 22 Committee Member McCormack asked how the Verizon and AT &T items related to each other. 23 Ms. Nguyen stated they would share the equipment building in that the building would be 24 extended so if Verizon was approved, they would build a trash enclosure and a portion of the 25 building. 26 27 Chair Fox was concerned about a seam and asked if they were going to be built at the same time 28 and with the same contractor. Mr. Lew said the intent was for both carriers to share in the cost 29 and use the same contractor to build the whole thing so there would be no seam. Chair Fox said 30 it looked like under Verizon they had the end wall and then AT &T had the back of that and it's 31 not like two buildings on a common property line. Ms. Nguyen explained if Verizon was to be 32 constructed first, then AT &T would come and build 3 walls on the end and take out the hip 33 portion and then extend it out. Chair Fox had a concern that a flashing would cover the seam in 34 the roof. 35 36 Committee Member Wheeler did not see anything that described the diameter of the pole. 37 Committee Member Woollett asked if the poles would be the same height as the existing pole. 38 39 Ms. Nguyen said it would be a couple of inches shorter. Committee Member Wheeler wanted to 40 be sure the poles would be the same diameter. 41 42 Committee Member Woollett said the lights on the pole would be more of a concern for the 43 people on the hill. Chair Fox found the pole replacement to be far better than the freestanding 14 antennas. 45 46 Committee Member Wheeler wanted to be sure on the building that the wall finish and roofing 47 would match. Ms. Nguyen said it was one of the conditions. City of Orange — Design Review Committee Final Meeting Minutes for October 16, 2013 Page 6 of 14 1 2 Chair Fox wanted to encourage that this be built by one contractor at the same time. 3 4 Committee Member Woollett made a motion to recommend approval of DRC No. 4703 -13, 5 AT &T Wireless, to the Planning Commission subject to the Conditions contained in the Staff 6 Report, with the following additional Conditions shown below; and subject to the Findings 7 contained in the Staff Report: 8 9 • The pole diameter shall be the same as the existing Sprint facility. 10 • If the building is constructed separately from the adjacent Verizon facility that the 11 connection between the buildings shall be seamless. 12 • The stacking pattern on the block shall match the existing one. 13 14 SECOND: Craig Wheeler 15 AYES: Carol Fox, Tim McCormack, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett 16 NOES: None 17 ABSTAIN: None 18 ABSENT: Robert Imboden 19 MOTION CARRIED. 20 City of Orange — Design Review Committee Final Meeting Minutes for October 16, 2013 Page 7 of 14 1 2 (3) DRC No. 4678 -13 — VERIZON WIRELESS 3 4 • A proposal to replace an existing light standard with a light standard that would hold 5 wireless antennas. A new equipment /trash enclosure would be constructed on the north 6 end of the parking lot to be shared with AT &T Wireless. 7 • 555 S. Hewes Street (El Modena Park) 8 • Staff Contact: Doris Nguyen, 714 - 744 -7223, dnguyen @cityoforange.org 9 • DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission 10 11 12 Doris Nguyen, Associate Planner, presented a project overview consistent with the Staff Report. 13 14 Eric Meurs, from Plancom Inc, address on file, stated he was available to answer any questions 15 the Committee might have. 16 17 Public Comments: 18 19 None. 20 21 Chair Fox opened the item to the Committee for discussion. 22 23 Chair Fox stated she did not see the roofing material callout or the specs in the plans. Mr. Meurs 24 said they generally don't put the roofing material on the planning drawings but they are specified 25 on the construction set. He also clarified that the trash enclosure material would be chain link 26 which was what the Park was asking for but they are open to other suggestions. Chair Fox felt 27 corrugated metal would be a better choice. 28 29 Committee Member McCormack asked if it was the intent to locate the building right up against 30 the back of the curb. Mr. Meurs said it was to minimize any impact on the Park and they were 31 told to put it right up against the curb. Ms. Nguyen said the driveway in that area was fairly wide 32 and they weren't concerned about occupying it because the trash bin itself does not encroach on 33 the drive aisle so moving it back on the lawn would get it out of the way of the asphalt but still 34 maintain the space and it would be the easiest for trash pickup. 35 36 Mr. Meurs clarified that the parking spaces are parallel to the trash bin so no one could back into 37 them. Committee Member McCormack was concerned about the people in the handicapped 38 spaces backing up and maybe the yellow bollards needed to come out. Chair Fox didn't want to 39 push the building back. She was concerned with visibility from Hewes and she would prefer for 40 it not to be perched on the top edge of the slope. Committee Member Woollett suggested putting 41 in a curb. Ms. Nguyen stated there is a curb there now and there is a depression area for the trash 42 enclosure. Committee Member Woollett suggested moving the existing curb and stopping at the 43 west side of the trash container. Committee Member Wheeler felt it would be good to add a 14 suggestion of moving the curb up. Mr. Meurs said they had been instructed to minimize the 45 impact on parking and put it right up against the curb. 46 City of Orange — Design Review Committee Final Meeting Minutes for October 16, 2013 Page 8 of 14 1 Committee Member Wheeler made a motion to recommend approval of DRC No. 4678 -13, 2 AT &T Wireless, to the Planning Commission subject to the Conditions contained in the Staff 3 Report, with the following additional Conditions shown below; and subject to the Findings 4 contained in the Staff Report: 5 6 • The diameter of the pole shall match the diameter of the existing Sprint pole. 7 • The building material shall match the existing restroom building in material, color, 8 texture; and the masonry of the building shall match the existing building. 9 • The enclosure to the trash area shall be changed to corrugated metal. 10 • Recommendation that the applicant consider moving a curb out away from the front of 11 the building to minimize possible damage of people backing up into the structure and to 12 match the width of the handicap off - loading zone on the north side of the handicap space 13 by 42 ". 14 • Every effort be made to ensure no seam is visible in the block or the roofing between the 15 two portions of the accessory building if constructed separately. If a seam is necessary, it 16 has to be done with a metal reglet. 17 18 SECOND: Tim McCormack 19 AYES: Carol Fox, Tim McCormack, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett 20 NOES: None 21 ABSTAIN: None 12 ABSENT: Robert Imboden 23 MOTION CARRIED. 24 25 City of Orange — Design Review Committee Final Meeting Minutes for October 16, 2013 Page 9 of 14 1 (5) DRC No. 4698 -13 — PROVISIONS MARKET 2 3 • A proposal to replace an existing wall sign with a projecting wall sign, install a new 4 hanging pedestrian blade sign with exterior spot light fixtures, and window signs. 5 • 141 -143 N. Glassell Street, Plaza Historic District 6 • Staff Contact: Anne E. Fox, 714 - 744 -7236, afox @cityoforange.org 7 • DRC Action: Final Determination 8 9 10 Committee Member Wheeler recused himself from the item's presentation due to a conflict of 11 interest based on the location of his business. 12 13 Anne Fox, Contract Planner, presented a project overview consistent with the Staff Report. 14 OTPA had concerns that it may not be satisfying all the standards as outlined in the Old Towne 15 Design Standards regarding two issues. One concerned how the sign would be illuminated and 16 the other was more of a question as to whether or not staff had calculated the amount of window 17 signage and if it would exceed the requirements. Both concerns had been addressed by staff. 18 19 Ace Patel, applicant, address on file, had nothing to add. 20 21 Public Comments: 22 23 None. 24 25 Chair Fox opened the item to the Committee for discussion. 26 27 Committee Member Woollett wanted to know how the sign was built. 28 29 Raul Romero, sign designer, said it was an aluminum box with an overall size of 11" — the 30 cabinet box was 10" with 1" square tubing inside with a 3 /4" cap. He further explained that the 31 letters would be raised 3 /4" and backlit with LED lights. The lighting would be behind the letters, 32 the border and around the logo. 33 34 Committee Member McCormack asked if it was silhouette type lighting and Ms. Fox replied yes. 35 36 Chair Fox asked if it was like the Filling Station or City Citrus Grill. Ms. Fox explained it was a 37 little different because they use neon and neon is permitted and was backlit. 38 39 Committee Member Woollett asked if the light and the LEDs were in the letters then it must 40 have sides to the middle box. Mr. Romero said the border would be raised 3 /4" and the light was 41 going to be inside the border and it would be 1" thick and the letters would be raised 3 /4" from the 42 box. Committee Member Woollett asked what would support the lettering. Mr. Romero said it 43 would have lexan behind the letters and the LEDs would be inside the letters. He explained that 14 the white on the box was not lexan but just the paint on the cabinet. It would be a solid cabinet. 45 Ms. Fox explained the cabinet itself did not light up and it was not a conventional cabinet. Mr. 46 Romero showed on the plans how the lights could be seen from the back of the letters. 47 City of Orange — Design Review Committee Final Meeting Minutes for October 16, 2013 Page 10 of 14 1 Chair Fox said the Ordinance on page 19 states that signs shall be wood or metal or utilize 2 materials that accurately simulate wood or metal. Neon on painted metal is permitted for 3 hanging and projecting. Under lighting on page 20, it states no internally illuminated signs shall 4 be permitted or replaced. Committee Member Woollett explained this was trying to prevent a 5 box with plastic on both sides. What was allowed was individual letters. Ms. Fox stated that 6 City Citrus Grille's is more of a halo effect and the LEDs are inside the letters but not projecting 7 them through and lighting them up. Chair Fox felt the Ordinance needs to be reworked to reflect 8 the modern trends. 9 10 Committee Member Woollett asked whether it was going to be cold or warm LEDs and Mr. 11 Romero said it would be cold. The Committee Members discussed their desire to have warm 12 LEDs. 13 14 Committee Member McCormack asked if the flex tube LED was in a line or an actual extruded 15 LED in a line. Mr. Romero said it was in modules every 2" and in an even line. There would be 16 only 3 /4" between the cabinet and the letters. 17 18 Chair Fox asked where the power supply be coming from and Mr. Romero said inside the square 19 tubing. 20 21 Chair Fox stated that for anchorage, there were a lot of holes in the facade and it's unknown 22 what is behind the sign that is being taken down. She would like to make it one of the conditions 23 that existing holes be used or use grout joints between the brick and to not drill any holes in the 24 historic brick. 25 26 Committee Member McCormack wanted to add that the square tubing supporting the sign be 27 black to match the black sign. Mr. Patel indicated it would be in a matt finish. 28 29 Chair Fox asked if the lighting for the pedestrian sign with a 9" x 3" housing would sit like a 30 box. Mr. Patel said it would and they could look for something smaller. 31 32 Committee Member McCormack asked if the blade sign was a rigid mount. Mr. Patel said it 33 would not swing and they would make it so it would not get hit. Committee Member 34 McCormack thought it would be nice to have two lights on each side. 35 36 Chair Fox made a motion to approve DRC No. 4698 -13, Provisions Market, subject to the 37 Conditions contained in the Staff Report, with the following additional Conditions shown below; 38 and subject to the Findings contained in the Staff Report: 39 40 • All anchorage and electrical conduit for the new projecting sign should be in existing 41 holes in the historic brick or in grout joints. 42 • Any holes from the existing sign removal that need patching should use grout to match 43 existing grout. 14 • Light fixture that light the hanging blade sign should be reselected to minimize its size 45 and suggest a remotely located transformer. 46 • Square tubing be black, powdered coated matte finish. 47 • If bricks need patching, matching grout must be used. City of Orange — Design Review Committee Final Meeting Minutes for October 16, 2013 Page 11 of 14 1 2 3 SECOND: Joe Woollett 4 AYES: Carol Fox, Tim McCormack, Joe Woollett 5 NOES: None 6 ABSTAIN: None 7 ABSENT: Robert Imboden 8 RECUSED: Craig Wheeler 9 MOTION CARRIED. 10 11 City of Orange — Design Review Committee Final Meeting Minutes for October 16, 2013 Page 12 of 14 1 (6) DRC No. 4710 -13 — WHO -SONG & LARRY'S RESTAURANT 2 3 • A proposal to modify the exterior of a 7,705 square foot restaurant as a result of a re- 4 branding of a Mexican restaurant chain from Acapulco to Who -Song & Larry's, 5 including new signage. 6 • 1535 W. Katella Avenue 7 • Staff Contact: Anne E. Fox, 714 - 744 -7236, afox@cityoforange.org 8 • DRC Action: Final Determination 9 10 11 Anne Fox, Contract Planner, presented a project overview consistent with the Staff Report. She 12 distributed sheet A61. 13 14 Rex Shields from Real Mex Restaurant, address on file, stated that Ms. Fox gave a good 15 explanation of the project. 16 17 Public Comments: 18 19 None. 20 21 Chair Fox opened the item to the Committee for discussion. 22 23 Committee Member Woollett said it looks like they are going to tear down the trash enclosure. 24 The Committee discussed disparity in drawings vs. applicant's intentions concerning the trash 25 enclosures. 26 27 Committee Member Wheeler stated looking at the exterior elevation #1, the wood base was not 28 being carried around and stopping at the corner. He asked if it was not being carried across the 29 street elevation and the driveway elevation and that it was on the pedestrian side and not the 30 vehicle side. Mr. Shields said that was correct. 31 32 Committee Member Wheeler was curious about the metal poles. Mr. Shields said they were 33 banner poles and they would all go away. 34 35 Committee Member Wheeler's big issue was the back story of the building. He sees a new 36 building, new finishes and then all of a sudden there are rust stains being applied. Mr. Shields 37 said the whole concept was about going into Mexico and seeing an old rustic building. It's the 38 reason for the faux finishes like an old cantina in Mexico. Once the interior was done then it 39 would be like an old cantina. Committee Member Wheeler felt the rust stains would look like 40 poor maintenance and would it read as a total concept or would it just fade away. Chair Fox had 41 the same issue in that the rust was coming off of wood. Mr. Shields said if the rust stains are an 42 issue, they can remove it and just have a faux finish. Chair Fox suggested putting a steel flashing 43 at the base that would eventually rust. Committee Member McCormack suggested a flickering 14 light. Mr. Shields stated the fixtures are to be removed. 45 46 Chair Fox overall loved the design and Committee Member Wheeler liked it as well. 47 City of Orange — Design Review Committee Final Meeting Minutes for October 16, 2013 Page 13 of 14 1 Committee Member McCormack asked what was the reason for the design of the wood veneer. 2 Mr. Shields responded it was just going around the existing columns, all the wood would be 3 capped on the top and the depth of it would be 9 ". Committee Member McCormack felt it was a 4 good opportunity for some low level lighting. Mr. Shields said they were going to use LED 5 lighting. 6 7 Committee Member Wheeler made a motion to approve DRC No. 4710 -13, Who -Song & 8 Larry's Restaurant, subject to the Conditions contained in the Staff Report, with the following 9 additional Conditions shown below; and subject to the Findings contained in the Staff Report: 10 11 • No rust stains, just a faux finish. 12 • Trash enclosure remain the same except for a color change. 13 14 SECOND: Joe Woollett 15 AYES: Carol Fox, Tim McCormack, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett 16 NOES: None 17 ABSTAIN: None 18 ABSENT: Robert Imboden 19 MOTION CARRIED. 20 21 City of Orange — Design Review Committee Final Meeting Minutes for October 16, 2013 Page 14 of 14 1 ADJOURNMENT: 2 3 Committee Member Wheeler made a motion to adjourn to the next regular scheduled Design 4 Review Committee meeting on November 6, 2013. 5 6 SECOND: Joe Woollett 7 AYES: Carol Fox, Tim McCormack, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett 8 NOES: None 9 ABSTAIN: None 10 ABSENT: Robert Imboden 11 MOTION CARRIED. 12 13 Meeting adjourned at 7:30 p.m.