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RE: P�opqsed Ria Sarttiago develaprnent
° Dear Sir_
6 iive on Sar�tiagtr Car�yon Road and I am concerned a�nutthe proposed Rio Santiago
Development because of the following :
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1. It wii�increase tra�c { rnore naise, more accic�ents, more palC�tio�t j.
2. The deve{aprnent wiil further degrade our rural envirQnmente 31.2
3. The develapmec�t is not in ke�ping with the zaning in the Orange ParEc Acres Specific plan
tf�at has l�een fought far and affirmed over the years ,currently zoned for residential one 31.3
acre lot siae and no high �ensity dewe{opments.
4_ Ar�y chan�e irt the Oran�e Park Acre�Specific Plan,sets a bad precedent for any future
�eveloprr�ents. 31.4
Thank you for yovr consideration in this matter.
SincereiY,
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Hollis W. Fitz
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3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 31
Date: June 30, 2013
Hollis W. Fitz
Response to Comment 31.1
The Commenter's statements related to concern of the proposed project because of increased traffic, nose,
accidents, and pollution are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation and
Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and Traffic, related to increase in traffic. Please refer
to Draft EIR Section 5.12, Noise Threshold NOI-A related to increase in noise from traffic. Please refer
to Draft EIR Section 5.3,Air Quality Threshold AQ-B related to increase in pollution from traffic.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 31.2
The Commenter's statements related to degrading of rural environment are noted. Please refer to Master �
Response Section 2.2,Aesthetics, Subsection 2.2.2, Rural Character/Community Character related to the
community character/environment of the surrounding area and the project site.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 31.3
The Commenter's statements related to zoning and specifically the OPA Plan are noted. Please refer to
Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.5.1, Conflict with Applicable Plans, Policies, or
Regulations, related to the proposed project and the OPA Plan. Additionally, please refer to Draft EIR
Section, 5.10,Land Use and Planning, Threshold LUP-B for detailed information related to the proposed
project and the OPA Plan.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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Response to Comment 31.4
The Commenter's statements related to precedent set regarding changes to the OPA Plan are noted.
Please refer to Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.5.1, Conflict with Applicable Plans,
Policies, or Regulations, related to the proposed project and the OPA Plan. Additionally, please refer to
Draft EIR Section, 5.10,Land Use and Planning, Threshold LUP-B for detailed information related to the
proposed project and the OPA Plan.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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LETTER 32
July I, 2013
Mr. Chad Ortlieb, Senior Planner
City of Orange
340 East Chapman Avenue
Orange, CA 92$66
RE: Comments on the Rio Santiago Draft ElR
Dear Mr. Ortlieb:
Before the City of Orange can even consider the possibility of aliowing residential
development on the o�d Sully Miller gravel mine the city should require an extensive
study be done on what lies between the surFace and the bedrock on the entire site. This
means that sample cores should be drilled clear to the bedrock at close intervals for the
entire site. The reason for concern is huge. The results must be fully disclosed.
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For decades gravel pockets were rnined on this property and many ather locations
along the Santiago Creek. Afl the valuable gravel was extracted down to the bedrock.
These pockets were many acres in size and were dug way below the level of the creek.
An example of this is can be seen today at the Bond Street Pits.
After the gravel was extracted, material was sought to back fill these pits. Human
nature being what it is, it didn't matter what it was that got buried. Toxic matter was
, often dealt with by burying it in those days. There was no oversighti and no one worried
about burying waste below the water table or along side of a creek. An example is that 32 2
one of these excavated gravel pits became a county dump at the northeast corner at
Santiago Blvd and Cannon. There are people alive today who witnessed the dumping
and burial af foreign matter at the Sully Miller site. Much of which taday we would
cansider toxic waste. The Draft EIR does not address or anaiyze any of these issues.
Another reason the city must require the drilling of core samples for the entire site is
that in [9b9 the Santiaga Creek flooded. In this tremendous flood the water brolce
through the levees that separated the excavated pits from the creek. These pits were
way below the creek level so they not only#iiled with water but by the end of the flood
the pits were totally filled up with silt many feet deep. Sully Miller lost everything, the
towers, conveyor befts, front end loaders; the mining operaCion was completely buried. I
know a man who was employed by Sully Mifler for 35 years. He said they never 32.3
recovered any af the equipment and that al) of that silt and equipment is still there. It
has never been excavated out. This silt fayer poses another potentially hazardous
outcome if homes are built on the site. In an earthquake that uncompacted silt layer wiEf
liquefy and the damage to the homes tould be similar to what happened to the Marina
district in the San �rancisca earthquake of 1989. The Draft ElR faiis to address any of
these issues.
In the 1970s it was known that the Sully Miller site should never be developed for
residential hvmes. The Orange Park Acres Specifc Plan (f 973),the East Orange
Community Plan ({975), The Santa Ana River/Santiago Creek Greenbelt Plan (I 97 I), 32.4
and the Santiago Creek Implementation Plan (1976), all have the property designated
Permanent 4pen Space.
Two years ago,the develbper that now proposes residential homes and high density
unirs be bui{t on the Sully Miller site, along with tfie construction company that leases
the site dug a giant hofe on the site that was 250 yards in iength, 50 yards in width and
ZO feet deep. The reason for this giant excavation remains unknown to tfie community.
lt may have been an attempt to take out unstabie backfill and replace it with compacted 32.5
fill that would pass inspection for residential homes. If so there should be records that
the work was properly permitted and closely inspected so that any toxic matter that
was found was tesCed so that it could be disposed �f in a proper manner.We potentially
had a deve{oper cleaning up a toxic waste site without aversight. The Draft E(R shoufd
address these issues which includes producing all records.
While working that excavation at the level of the water table tihe hole was filling with
ground water as they dug deeper.They responded by pumping this potentially tainted
water into the Santiaga Creek ta get rid of it. They got caught in the act and had to stop
pumping.Without the pumping the water inundated the hole, so they were forced to 32.6
cease and backfill too soon.The gooey mess of old backfill that was still many feet above
the bedrocic was left behind and buried. This o{d backfill now creates a potentially
disastrous scenario for homes that are buift here in the future.That old fill could easily
liquefy in an earthquake.The Draft EIR fails to mention or address these issues.
The developer pushing to build on this property has to be met with a requirement to
take and test care sampfes at close enough intervals so that a 3D map can be made of
what lies between the surface and the bedrock. And then look out, because there is a
chance that it will open I'andora's Box. This very impertant issue is not addressed in the 32.7
Draft �IR.
Thank you for the opportunity to provide these comments.
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Sincerefy ���.,�,� �<� ��,�Ga�z-c-�--c.
David Hillman
4317 E. Fairhaven Avenue
Orange, CA 92869
3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 32
Date: June 30, 2013
David Hillman
Response to Comment 32.1
The Commenter's statements related to the City requiring an extensive study regarding the soils on the
project site are noted. The Commenter's opinion that the sample cores should be clear to bedrock and
results must be fully disclosed is noted. The Commenter's statements related to gravel pockets are noted.
Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.6, Geolo� and Soils and Section 5.8, Hazards and Hazardous
Materials for information related to the proposed project and soil sampling and drilling. Please refer to
Appendix G, Geotechnical Investigation and Appendix I, Environmental Site Assessment for further
details. Please note that sample cores have been taken throughout the project site by Tait Engineers
Ginter and Associates. The Draft EIR has concluded that the samples obtained are sufficient for project
analysis and disclosure.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 32.2
The Commenter's statements related to buried items on the project site are noted. The Commenter's
statements related to no oversight regarding burying are noted. The Commenter's opinion related to
dumping and burial of foreign matter on the site are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3,
Hazards and Hazardous Materials, Subsection 2.3.3,Buried Hazardous Materials related to the proposed
project and potential buried hazardous material.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 32.3
The Commenter's statements related to the 1969 Santiago Creek flood are noted. The Commenter's
statements related to the pits being below creek level are noted. The Commenter's statements related to
equipment still being in the pits are noted. Please note the following discussion of project site grading
from the Draft EIR page 3-75:
Approximately 2,248,200 cubic yards of material wi11 be over excavated per Tentative Tract Map
No. 17344. Once removed, the material will be spread and dried on the project site. The material
will then be mixed with imported materials. A total of 1,100,000 cubic yards of material will be
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imported to the site. Please refer to Section 5.16, Transportation and Traffic for detail
information related to truck trips. The imported materials will be based on recommendations of
the soils engineer and include concrete, asphalt, rock, and soil. The imported materials will be
crushed on-site by either the existing materials recycling facility or additional operations. A total
of 3,348,200 cubic yards of material will be blended during the project site grading (including
backfilling operation and mass grading). This includes materials both over excavated and
imported to the project site.
The approved, on-going backfill operation currently is separate and distinct from the proposed
project. However, some of this grading would have to occur to construct the proposed project.
As a practical result,therefore, from the date of project approval, the backfilling and grading will
become project site preparation activities and, as such, are analyzed as part of the construction
phase of the project. In order to provide a "worst-case" analysis in this Draft EIR, all grading
activities related to the backfill operation, mass grading operation, and establishment of super
pads will be considered as project earthwork.
Backfilling Operation
The project site is being over excavated (i.e., areas of unsuitable materials) and backfilled to
restore previously mined and silt pond deposit portions of the site to City approved grades.
Table 17.32.020,Sand and Gravel District Use Regulations of the Orange Municipal Code, states
that backfilling is a P (permitted use) in the S-G (Sand and Gravel) District. Additionally,
Section 3.1, Grading Permit Exceptions of the City Grading Manual indicates backfilling is a
permitted use. Grading is a ministerial (non-discretionary) action as defined by the CEQA
Guidelines and the City of Orange Local CEQA Guidelines(page 5—6).
Prior to March 2011,restoration of the project site occurred for a portion of Planning Areas B and
C. Refer to Figure 3-6,Backfill Operation for the approximate location of this activity. In March
2011, the City approved Grading Permit#2047. The extent of Grading Permit#2047 is depicted
on Figure 3-6, Backfill Operation. The applicant has indicated that grading permit(s) will be
requested from the City to complete backfilling of the previously mined portions of the project
site, as depicted on Figure 3-6,Bac�ll Operation.
The Notice of Preparation (NOP) far the proposed project was issued by the City on April 7,
2011, subsequent to the issuance of Grading Permit #2047. Although backfilling is a separate
operation from the proposed project, some of this activity would have to occur to construct the
proposed project. However, backfilling will occur on the project site until site restoration is
achieved, irrespective of the proposed project.
Mass Grading and Suner Pads
The project site would be mass graded for super pads sloping primarily from east to west at a rate
of approximately 1 percent upon completion of backfilling. Mass grading would apply to the
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approximately 60 acres in Planning Areas B, C, and D. Mass grading is not proposed for
Planning Area A, except for approximately five acres as noted on Figure 3-4, Tentative Tract
Map. Planning Area A would only be mass graded to the south of Santiago Creek immediately
adj acent to Planning Areas B, C, and D for infrastructure improvements. These infrastructure
improvements include: drainage, flood control, and multi-purpose trails. Additional grading will
occur in Planning Area A in two locations as noted on Figure 3-4, Tentative Tract Map to provide
for proposed project drainage to Santiago Creek
As previously noted, in order to provide a "worst-case" analysis in this Draft EIR, all grading
activities related to backfill, mass grading, and establishment of super pads will be considered as
project earthwark. Therefore, earthwark on the project site would include approximately
2,248,200 cubic yards of material that will be over excavated. A total of 1,100,000 cubic yards of
material will be imported to the site. The imported materials include concrete, asphalt, rock, and
soil. The imported materials will be crushed on-site. A total of 3,348,200 cubic yards of
material, both over excavated and imported to the project site, will be blended during the
backfilling and grading operations
The Commenter's statements related to earthquakes on compacted silt layer that will liquefy are noted.
Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3,Hazards and Hazardous Materials, Subsection 2.3.3,Buried
Hazardous Materials related to the proposed project and potential buried hazardous material. Please refer
to Draft EIR Section 5.6, Geology and Soils, Threshold GEO-A related to earthquakes, ground shaking,
and liquefaction.
This information does not change the analysis ar conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 32.4
The Commenter's statements related to the OPA plan, EO General Plan, Santa Ana River/Santiago Creek
Greenbelt Plan, and Santiago Creek Implementation plan are noted. Please refer to Master Response
Section 2.5, Land Use and Plan, Subsection 2.5.1, Conflict with Applicable Plans, Policies, or
Regulations, related to the proposed project and the applicable plans over the project site. The following
summarizes the applicability of each plan:
OPA Plan
The Draft EIR found that with the removal of the proposed project area from the OPA Plan and the EO
General Plan, all land use allocations, improvements, development standards, lines for the proposed
project would be under one specific plan (the Rio Santiago Specific Plan) as implemented in PDF LUP-4.
With the implementation of PDF LUP-4, the proposed project would amend the City's General Plan by
removing the proj ect site from the East Orange (EO) General Plan and the Orange Park Acres Plan.
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The Draft EIR found that the proposed project would establish new designations for the project site on the
City's General Plan. These changes eliminate potential conflicts with any applicable land use plan,policy,
or regulation. Therefore, with the City's approval of the amendments to the OPA Plan and the EO
General Plan and the approval of the Rio Santiago Specific Plan, a less than significant impact would
occur and no mitigation measures would be required.
EO General Plan
The Draft EIR found that with the removal of the proposed project area from the OPA Plan and the EO
General Plan, all land use allocations, improvements, development standards, lines for the proposed
project would be under one specific plan(the Rio Santiago Specific Plan) as implemented in PDF LUP-4.
With the implementation of PDF LUP-4, the proposed project would amend the City's General Plan by
removing the project site from the East Orange (EO) General Plan and the Orange Park Acres Plan.
The Draft EIR found that the proposed project would establish new designations for the project site on the
City's General Plan. These changes eliminate potential conflicts with any applicable land use plan,policy,
or regulation. Therefore, with the City's approval of the amendments to the OPA Plan and the EO
General Plan and the approval of the Rio Santiago Specific Plan, a less than significant impact would
occur and no mitigation measures would be required.
SARSCGP
City Council actions related to the Santa Ana River/Santiago Creek Greenbelt Plan (SARSCGP) have
been reviewed. Based on this review, it has been determined that the SARSCGP was not adopted by the
City. However, the OPA Plan incorporated certain portions of the County adopted SARSCGBP within
the Santiago Geek to the north and east of the OPA Plan study area. See Page 118 of the OPA Plan.
(City Resolution No. 3915 adopted December 26, 1973).
Because the OPA Plan was adopted as part of the City General Plan Land Use Element, certain Santiago
Creek portions of the SARSCGP are a part of the City General Plan. The Draft EIR found that the
proposed project would have a less than significant impact related to conflicting with General P1an
policies and goals, and no mitigation measures would be required. (Page 5.10-10, Draft EIR)
Additionally, the Draft EIR found that with the City's approval of the amendments to the OPA Plan and
the EO General Plan and the approval of the Rio Santiago Specific Plan, a less than significant impact
would occur and no mitigation measures would be required. (Page 5.10-16,Draft EIR)
SARSCGIP
City Council actions related to the Santa Ana River/Santiago Creek Greenbelt Implementation Plan
(SARSCGIP) have been reviewed. The SARSCGIP was accepted by the City Council on May 18, 1976.
The City did not adopt the SARSCGIP. However, the City Council Minutes (May 18, 1976) indicated
that the City approved the implementation of certain project projects identified in the SARSCGIP. Based
on this review, it has been determined that the SARSCGIP was not adopted by the City. While the
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SARSCGIP has been utilized as a reference, it is not a City adopted public policy related to the project
site
SCVP
The plan(SCVP)is not a City adopted public policy related to the project site.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 32.5
The Commenter's statements related to the giant hole on the site that was 250 yards in length, 50 yards in
width and 20 feet deep are noted. The Commenter's statements related to an attempt to take out unstable
backfill and replace with compacted fill are noted. The Commenter's statements requesting permitted
records, including any toxic material are noted. The Commenter's opinion that the developer is cleaning
up a toxic waste site without permits is note. Appendix I, Environmental Site Assessment Reports (Tait
May 16, 2011) established the baseline and determined that there was no contaminated soil on the project
site. As stated on Page 3-10 of the Draft EIR:
To restore previously mined portions of the site, a portion of the project site is presently being
backfilled as a permitted land use. The existing backfill operation is not a permanent use. The
project site is presently being backfilled in sequentially defined phases. Figure 3-6, Backfill
Operation, provides the location of the backfill operation. The project site is being over
excavated (i.e., removal of unsuitable materials) and filled in the present backfill operation. The
applicant has indicated that additional grading permit(s) will be requested from the City to
complete backfilling of all previously mined portions of the project site. As previously noted,the
project site was used from 1919 to 1995 for surface mining of sand, gravel, and other aggregates.
Previously mined portions of the project site were used for residue silt deposition, otherwise
known as silt ponds. The backfilling operation addresses both mined and silt pond areas.
In March 2011, the City issued Grading Permit #2047 related to the backfill operation. Table
1732.020, Sand and Gravel District Use Regulations, of the Orange Municipal Code indicates
that backfilling is a permitted use (P) in the S-G (Sand and Gravel) District. Additionally, in
accordance with Section 3.1, Grading Permit Exceptions, of the City Grading Manuel backfilling
is a permitted use. Grading is a ministerial (not discretionary) action as defined by the CEQA
Guidelines and the City of Orange Local CEQA Guidelines (page 5 — 6). Per Public Resources
� Code Section 21080(b)(1), CEQA does not apply to ministerial actions, therefore, no CEQA
environmental review was conducted for the permitted and existing ministerial approved grading.
The limits of activity established by Grading Permit #2047 are depicted on Figure 3-6, Bac�ll
Operation. The backfill operation will restore those portions of the project site within the limits of
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activity to the elevations approved by Grading Permit #2047. Approved Grading Permit #2047
provides that 2,000 cubic yards of material will be cut in addition to the over excavation. A total
of 223,000 cubic yards of material will be imported to the site. The imported materials include
concrete, asphalt, rock, and soil. The imported materials will be crushed on-site. A total of
225,000 cubic yards of material, both cut and fill, will be blended during this approved
backfilling operation.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 32.6
The Commenter's statements related to the water table filling a hole in the backfill operation with ground
water are noted. The Commenter stated that while working the excavation at the level of the water table
the hole was filling with ground water as they dug deeper. The Commenter's statements related to
pumping tainted water into Santiago Creek and getting caught and had to stop are noted. Please refer to
Master Response 2.4, Hydrology and Water Quality and Master Response 2.3, Hazards and Hazardous
Materials related the backfill operation Subsection 2.3.3 Buried Hazardous Materials Heading,
Hazardous Materials in Bac�ll Operations.
The Draft EIR notes that to restore previously mined portions of the project site, a portion of the project
site is presently being backfilled as a permitted land use. The existing backfill operation is not a
permanent use. The project site is being over excavated (i.e., removal of unsuitable materials) and filled
in the present backfill operation. The project applicant has indicated that additional grading permit(s)will
be requested from the City to complete backfilling of all previously mined portions of the project
site. The project site was used from 1919 to 1995 for surface mining of sand, gravel, and other
aggregates. Previously mined portions of the project site were used for residue silt deposition, otherwise
known as silt ponds. The backfilling operation addresses both mined and silt pond areas.
The Draft EIR notes that in March 2011, the City issued Grading Permit #2047 related to the backfill
operation. Table 17.32.020, Sand and Gravel District Use Regulations, of the Orange Municipal Code
indicates that backfilling is a permitted use (P) in the S-G (Sand and Gravel) Extraction District. In
addition, grading permit(s) will be requested from the City to complete the backfilling of the previously
mined portions of the project site. This approved, on-going backfill operation currently is separate and
distinct from the proposed project. However, some of this grading would have to occur to construct the
proposed project. All on-site grading that is occurring under Grading Permit #2047 is occurring in
accordance with the City of Orange Grading Manuel (Manuel of Grading). This Manual of Grading sets
forth the rules and regulations to control excavation, grading and earthwork construction, including cuts
and fills. It establishes the administrative procedure far issuance of permits, sets requirements for
approval of plans and inspection of grading construction, and provides guidelines for enforcement of
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grading violations. The Manuel of Grading provides for the inspection of all grading within the City,
requires inspection of work, and supervision. If any hazardous materials were to be uncovered during the
grading operations, existing Federal, State, and local protocols would be anticipated to address the
materials discovered.
During grading operations conducted in accordance with Grading Permit#2047, surface and groundwater
was removed to facilitate compacted engineering fill placement. The backfill grading operation was
performed by R. J. Noble Co. /MTS (Licensee) a tenant licensee of the project applicant. The Licensee
was issued Grading Permit #2047 by the City. The Licensee conducted the backfill operation in
accordance with the conditions of the permit. During backfill operations, the Licensee needed to remove
surface and groundwater from an excavation in order to facilitate placement of compacted engineered
backfill within the excavation. To do so, the Licensee initiated a program to pump the interfering water
and to dispose of it in Santiago Creek. During the period when the disposal program was in effect, a
regular inspection of the backfill site was performed by a RWQCB inspector. The RWQCB inspector
directed the Licensee to terminate the program of pumping water into Santiago Creek. The Licensee
complied with the direction of the RWQCB. Subsequently, the Licensee established a "capture and re-
use"program. This program pumped water into a holding tank. Water in the holding tank was then "re-
used" on the project site. This "re-use" program consisted of spreading the water about the project site
for dust control and to facilitate compacted engineering fill placement in the backfill operations. The
RWQCB inspector acknowledged the water"re-use"program and no further action was taken.
The Commenter's opinion that the backfill operation was forced to cease the backfill too soon and a
gooey mess of old backfill now exists that is still many feet above the bedrock is left behind and buried is
noted. The project applicant has indicated that the"gooey mess"does not exist. Further,that the backfill
operations have been accomplished in accordance with Grading Permit #2047. In accordance with the
Manuel of Grading the following reports have been prepared to document the backfill activities,
`Preliminary Engineering Geologic/Geotechnical Engineering Investigation and Bac�ll Plan Review
for MTS Site Near Santiago Canyon Road, City of Orange, CA" by Ginter & Associates, Inc., dated
January 12, 2011, Progress Reports 1 through 24 dated June 9, 2010 through January 7, 2013 and "2011
Annual Geotechnical Progress Report For the MTS IDEFO Bac�ll Site, City of Orange, CA"by Ginter
& Associates, Inc., dated March 30, 2012. These reports are on file with the City, These reports
indicated that the backfill plan is partially complete and that the areas where compacted engineered fill
was placed were removed of all compressible materials and the compacted fill was founded on firm-
bearing materials in accordance with the City of Orange's "Manual of Grading".
The Commenter's opinions that this now creates a potentially disastrous scenario far homes that are built
here in the future are noted. Based on the reports and the observations and testing by the Geotechnical
Consultant of Records, Ginter & Associates, Inc., the backfill area where the compacted engineered fill
has been placed is suitable and acceptable.
The Commenter's statements related to this specific area and the effects of the backfill operation on
liquefaction in an earthquake are noted. Based on the recommendations and conclusions in Ginter &
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Associates, Inc. January 12, 2011report, the implementation of the recommendation to remove all
compressible materials and replacement with compacted engineered fill will help significantly reduce the
potential for liquefaction. Also, since the proposed grade is over 50 feet above the groundwater, the
liquefaction potential is low. In general, please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.6, Geology and Soils,
Threshold GEO-A related to earthquakes, ground shaking, and liquefaction for additional information
related to this topic.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 32.7
The Commenter's statements related to a requirement to take and test core samples at close enough
intervals so that a 3D map can be made of what lies between the surface and bedrock are noted. The
Commenter's statements related to opening Pandora's Box are noted. Please refer to Draft EIR Section
5.6, Geology and Soils and Section 5.8, Hazards and Hazardous Materials for information related to the
proposed project and soil sampling and drilling. Please refer to Appendix G, Geotechnical Investigation
and Appendix I, Environmental Site Assessment for further details. Please note that sample cores have
been taken throughout the project site by Tait Engineers and Ginter and Associates. Please note that
samples taken meet and or exceed industry standards.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
City of Orange-Response to Comments/Final EIR—December 2013 Page 3-271
Rio Santiago Project SCH No. 2009051072
LETTER 33
Jakki Tonkovich
From: Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb@cityoforange.org>
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 11:35 AM
To: Jakki Tonkovich; Fred Talarico
<<� Megan Penn;Jackie Bateman
Subject: FW: Rio Santiago
From: Dan Graupensperger [mailto:yonka@pacbelLnet] .
Sent: Monday, ]une 17, 2013 11:28 AM
To: Chad Ortlieb
Subject: Re: Rio Santiago
Chad, You must get all the fun projects. When I drove the area yesterday it seemed to me that 33.1
the area zoned R1-8 is in an area that will be prone to flooding when we have those occasional
bad years. Furthermore, the area on the west end is on or near a methane prone area tha—
currently has burn offwells. My concern is that if a project is built there with city approval and 33.2
knowledge of these problems the city could be liable for damages when a problem occurs. A
customer who I did some cabinet work for in south county recently lost their house due to a
landslide. The agency that approved and was responsible for inspecting that site spent a few
hundred thousand dollars defending their actions. Some pieces of land just should not ave
houses on them. Anyway, as this project goes along be careful not to let the titans of �� 3
development and politics put you in a bad spot.
Dan
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From: Chad Ortlieb <cortliebCa�cityofarange org>
To: yonkaCalpacbell.net
Sent: Mon, June 17, 2013 8:30:01 AM
Subject: FW: Rio Santiago
Hi Dan,
I'm the case pfanner far the subject praject. Please contact me with any questions or comments, Part of the area north
af the creek is currently zoned R-1-8. The applicant`s praposal is to zone the whale site as Specific Plan (SPj and the
Specific Plan will have Planning Areas C and D south af the creek designated for!ow and high density residential
uses. The R-1-8 area north of the creek would be designated as Open Space.
Rega rds,
Chad Ortlieb
714.744.7237
cortliebC�cityoforan�e.or�
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From: Jennifer Le
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 8:23 AM
To: Chad Ortlieb
Subject: FW: Rio Santiago
Ni Chad:
See belaw. P{ease introduce yourself to Mr. Graupensperger.Thanks, -1
From: Dan Graupensperger [mailto:�nkaCo�pacbeli.net]
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 6:36 PM
To: Jennifer Le
Subject: Rio Santiago
Jennifer, I have been asked to started looking at the Rio Santiago project. Is there a lead
planner for this that will accept e- mail input? I noticed that part of the flood plain/ creek is
zoned R1-8 which does not seem like a good idea.
Dan
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3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 33
Date: June 17, 2013
Dan Graupensperger
Response to Comment 33.1
The Commenter's statements related to flooding and the R1-8 zoning are noted. Please refer to Master
Section 2.4, Hydrology and Water Quality, Subsection 2.4.4, Dam Failure and Draft EIR Section 5.9,
Hydrology and Water Quality, Threshold HWQ-1, related to flooding. Please note that the proposed
project is outside the 100 year flood zone as defined by the FEMA maps. However, the proposed project
would have the potential to be in the path of inundation should a dam break to occur(Impact HWQ-1).
This infarmation does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 33.2
The Commenter's statements that the City would be liable for damages if a methane related problem were
to occur on the project site are noted. While this liability concern is not a CEQA issue, the potential of
methane related issues from the County's former Villa Park Landfill have been addressed in the EIR.
Please refer to Master Response 23, Hazards and Hazardous Materials related to potential hazards and
hazardous effects from the project implementation on the proposed site and its surrounding area.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 33.3
The Commenter's statements related to project site not having houses on it and development/politics are
noted. This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not
raise any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However,
it is noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No
further responses are necessary.
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From: Sanders, Matthew [mailto:Matthew.Sanders@Emulex.Com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:57 PM
To: Chad Ortlieb
�ubject: sully miller dev overview?
chad
Can you help? Is there an overview diagram/map of the proposed project somewhere? 34.1
Was wondering if part of the proposal included a new connecting road between Serrano and Santiago Canyon?
34.2
I'm tired of driving all the way from east Santiago to Cannon just to go up Serrano.
Thanks
Matt
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3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 34
Date: June 19, 2013
Matthew Sanders
Response to Comment 34.1
The Commenter's statements related to diagram/map of the proposed project are noted. Please refer to
Draft EIR Section 3.0, Project Description, Figure 3-4, Tentative Tract Map for a map of the proposed
project. However, within Chad Ortlieb's response dated June 19, 2013 the Specific Plan Figure 3-3, Site
Plan was emailed to Matthew Sanders.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 34.2
The Commenter's statements related to the proposed project providing a new connecting road between
Serrano and Santiago Canyon are noted. No, the proposed project does not provide a connecting road
between Serrano Avenue and East Santiago Canyon Road.
This information does not change the analysis ar conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
City of Orange-Response to Comments/Final EIR—December 2013 Page 3-277
Rio Santiago Project SCH No. 2009051072
LETTER 35
Jakki Tonkovich
�rom: Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb@cityoforange.org>
oent: Monday, July O1, 2013 8:06 AM
To: Megan Penn; Jakki Tonkovich; Fred Talarico;Jackie Bateman
Cc: Leslie Roseberry
Subject: FW: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
Importance: High
I believe the belaw could fall into the public comment categary for the Rio Santiaga DEIR. Please include it.
Thanks
From: Diane Perry
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:11 AM
To: 'charlesleffler@ymail.com'
Cc: Leslie Roseberry; Chad Ortlieb
Subject: FW: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
Importance: High
http•//www citVoforan�e ar��depts/commdev/plannin�/project notices and related environmental documents rio s
antia�o noa and noc of draft eir may 2013.asp
This is the link-should work. Let us know if it doesn't. Chad Ortlieb, Senior Planner on this
project, his email is as shown above. He is out c�fi the office, returning on J�ly �.. But you can
stil( still emails, correspondence, etc. to his attention.
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From: Michele Day
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 7:34 AM
To: Diane Perry
Subject: FW: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
Inquiry
'rom: charlesleffler@ymail.com [mailto:charleslefflerCa�ymail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 8:05 AM
To: Webmaster
Subject: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
i
I searched DEIR, PLANNING DEPT. RIO, RI� DEIR, COMMENT ON DElR CEQA AND VARIATIONS THEREOF AND LOOKED
FOR CONTACTS, CHAD aRTLIEB, PLANNER ETC, ETC...... never got any informatian on Rio Sabtiaga,THE PROJECT in
planning, cequ, deir how to respand, contacts but I did find Alice Angus who retired still listed, �5.1
What am I missing?
Naw does one find info on the projects in planning like Rio Santiago and its DEIR, haw and wha to send commen�s to? Is
there a secret cade to get FUBUC INFORMATION?
Thanks
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3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 35
Date: June 22, 2013
Charles Leffler
Response to Comment 35.1
The Commenter's statements related to not finding the proposed project on the City's website are noted.
Please refer to Secrion 2.11, Public Participation Process, Subsection 2.11.1, Availability of Draft EIR
related to access and availabiliry of the Draft EIR. Additionally, please note that Diane Perry, City
Community Development Department emailed a link to the Rio Santiago Draft EIR website.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Page 3-280 City of Orange-Response to Comments/Final EIR—December 2013
SCH No. 2009051072 Rio Santiago Project
LETTER 36
Jakki Tonkovich
From: Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb@cityoforange.org>
Sent: Monday,July O1, 2013 8:10 AM
To: Megan Penn;Jakki Tonkovich; Fred Talarico;Jackie Bateman
Cc: Leslie Roseberry
Subject: FW: Santiago project
FYI...
From: buddynrhondaCa�aal.com [mailto:buddynrhondaCaaol.com]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:19 AM
To: Chad Ortlieb
Subject: Santiago project
To wham it may concern:
I am a 17 year resident of C7range Park Acres and again I am voicing my opinion about this
supposed future project from JMI. I don't know what it will take for our governing afficials ta
see the writing on the wall. This eompany is na way is supportive of aur community. I would 36.1
rather looks at mounds of dirt and gravel as to see huge buildings, traffic, noise pollution
etc. Can"t you all see haw we live, and why we live here? It doesn't take a brain surgeon to
see. This is so out of the box for our area, that it would be detrimental to our area and our wild
life. Why would anyone in God's green earth want this instead of open land and space? Please �.2
consider our wants for this community. We live here, we raise our kids here, our kids go to
school here, and a !ot of us will pass away here. Dan't add mare of the cities prablems ta our
community. It is nat wanted or needed.
Warmly respected
Rhonda Malone
OPA resident
buddynrhandaC aol.cam
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3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 36
Date: June 24, 2013
Rhonda Malone
OPA resident
Response to Comment 36.1
The Commenter's statements related to a preference of looking at dirt mounds rather than huge buildings,
traffic, noise pollution are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics, Subsection
2.2.2, Rural Character/Community Character related to the visual impacts of the proposed project. Please
refer to Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics, Subsection 2.2.4, Structure Height related to the
building heights of the proposed project. Please note that the proposed project has significant unavoidable
impacts related to aesthetics (Draft EIR Section 5.1,Aesthetics). Please refer to Master Response Section
2.8, Transportation and Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and Traffic related to traffic
of the proposed project. Please note that the proposed project has significant unavoidable impacts related
to traffic (Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and Traffzc). Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.12,
Noise related to noise pollution of the proposed project.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
� noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 36.2
The Commenter's opinions related to the proposed project being detrimental to the area, loss of open
space, place to raise kids, and adding more of the City's problems to the community are noted. Please
refer to Master Response Section 2.6, Open Space, Subsection 2.6.1, Loss of Open Space related to the
proposed project impact on open space. The applicant has a right to submit an application for
consideration by the City. No predetermination has been made for the project and the project is subject to
consideration by the City Council.
This infarmation does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Page 3-282 City of Orange-Response to Comments/Final EIR—December 2013
SCH No. 2009051072 Rio Santiago Project
LETTER 37
From: Jason Hirschhorn [mailto:jason.b.hirschhornCc�gmaiLcom]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 12:50 PM
To: City Hotline
Subject: Document request
Hello,
My name is Jason Hirschhorn, and I am with the Orange County Coastkeeper. As part of a project, I need to
research the DSEIR for the Sully-Miller project. Unfortunately, several pieces of the report are not loading on
your
website: httpJ/www.city�faran�e.ar�ldeptsi'cominde��lt�lannin«Iprajeet nc�ticcs and related �:���viroaza�ental do 37.1
cuments�`rio santia�o noa and nQe of drafit eir rna�r ?013 as�. �
In particular, I am looking for appendix K(which was divided into several sections and PDFS). If you could
send copies of these it would be greatly appreciated.
Best regards,
Jason Hirschhorn
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Jakki Tonkovich
'rom: Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb@cityoforange.org>
�ent: Monday, July 01, 2013 8:13 AM
To: Megan Penn;Jakki Tonkovich; Fred Talarico;Jackie Bateman
Cc: Leslie Roseberry
Subject: FW: RE: DSEIR for Sully-Miller/Rio Santiago...........FW: Document request
Attachments: Appendix K,Water Quality Technical Report - lA(180 pgs).pdf
Importance: High
The below inquiry should be noted in the public commen�s for purposes of documenting DEIR public availability and City
effarts to provide access to thase that have difficulty downloading the files from their camputer.
Thanks
From: Diane Perry
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:22 AM
To: 'jason.b.hirschhorn@gmail.com'
Cc: Leslie Roseberry; Chad Ortlieb; Valdemar Chavez
Subject: RE: DSEIR for Sully-Miller/Rio Santiago...........FW: Document request
Importance: High
17ttp�i/�v�v��� citvofc�ran�e c�r�/t�ept�;commdev%�lannin�/prc�ject n�tices and related envir�n:ment��1 docciments�`
�io yantia� noa and i�oc of draft eir may ?013.as�
�lease try the link again. I tested it and appears everything is coming up for me; I can pull up all the PDFs,
including"K", so not sure why you were having problems. Some of the documents are large so takes a few
minutes to pull up. I was able to view all of the "Ks" also. If still problems, please let us know.
(It appears I can't attach all the 7 "K"PDFs by email all at one time, as I get a message saying "the attachment
size exceeds the allowable limit." So I will send you 7 emails w/"K" PDFs attached if I can.)
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From: Michele Day
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 7:32 AM
To: Diane Perry
Subject: FW: Document request
Inquiry Diane, I sent this to yau since he is referencing yaur dept.
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3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 37
Date: June 21,2013
Jason Hirschhorn
Response to Comment 37.1
The Commenter's statements related to not finding the proposed project on the City's website and
Appendix K are noted. Please refer to Section 2.11, Public Participation Process, Subsection 2.11.1,
Availability of Draft EIR related to access and availability of the Draft EIR. Additionally,please note that
Diane Perry, City Community Development Department emailed a link to the Rio Santiago Draft EIR
website and additionally sent seven(7) emails with Appendix K attached.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
City of Orange-Response to Comments/Final EIR—December 2013 Page 3-285
Rio Santiago Project SCH No. 2009051072
LETTER 38
Jakki Tonkovich
'rom: Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb@cityoforange.org>
�ent: Monday,July O1, 2013 8:35 AM
To: Megan Penn;Jakki Tonkovich; Fred Talarico;Jackie Bateman
Cc; Leslie Roseberry
Subject: FW: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
Importance: High
The belaw response should be noted in the public comments for purposes of documenting C1EIR public availability and
City efforts ta provide access to those that have difficulty downloading the files from their computer.
Thanks
From: Diane Perry
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 12:14 PM
To: 'Charles Leffler'
Cc: Leslie Roseberry; Chad Ortlieb; Helpdesk; Valdemar Chavez
Subject: RE: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
Importance: High
Hi Mr. Leffler-
"m sorry to hear that you are having difficulties accessing the City's Website & applicable Departments.
Yes, I can help/tell you how to get from `here' to `there' for the RIO DEIR from the City of Orange Home Pag
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38.1
l. On the City's Home Page, on the `ribbon' going across top, place the cursor on"City Departments."
There'll be a Drop-Down menu.
2. On the "City Departments" Drop-Down menu, click on"Community Development" (4th Department
down).
3. On the "Community Development Home Page", left side,Navigation menu, place the cursor over
"Planning Division;" a Fly-Out menu will appear.
4. On the Fly-Out menu, 4th item down, click on "Project Notices and Related Env. Documents."
5. When you get to this page (Project Notices, etc.), scroll down if necessary, and click on the "Rio
Santiago-Notice o£ Availability & Completion of Draft EIR/May2013." This should bring up all the
RIO PDFs.
Hope this helps.
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Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 11:34 AM
To: Diane Perry
Cc: Leslie Roseberry; Chad Ortlieb
Subject: Re: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
Ms Perry,
Thank you for the Link and it does work.
The problem of getting to That page by going through the City's site still stands. As I
said to the webmaster in my e-mail, I searched Santiago, DEIR, EIR, planning, Chad
Ortleib, and many combinations there of and Never got Mr Ortleib's contact information
or the Pages you sent me. 38.2
As a Public issue I have directed others to the City site to look at the Project
information. Can you tell me HOW TO GET TO THAT PAGE FROM THE CITY'S
HOME PAGE?
It would be great if there was a Hot Topics link or some easy way for we who are not
familiar with the City's web system.
Please let me know if you can or direct me to the contact that show me the way to find
out what the buttons keywords or links are when starting from the City Home Page to
get to this page.
I apologize in advance if it like missing the light because you are staring into the Sun
but I really spent an embarrassing amount of time Trying to navigate the system to find
something like this link page and got nowhere.
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To: charlesletfler(a�vmail.com
Cc: Leslie Roseberry<iroseberrv(c�cit af�ranq�.orq>; Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb cx.cityaforanqe.org>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:10 AM
Subject: FW: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
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this project, his email is as shown above. He is out of the office, returning an July 1. But
you can still still emails, correspondence, etc. to his attention.
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Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 7:34 AM
To: Diane Perry
Subject: FW: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
Inquiry
From: charieslefflerCavmaiLcom [mailto:charleslefflerCa�ymaiLcom]
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 8:05 AM
To: Webmaster
Subject: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
I searched DEIR, PLANNING DEPT. RIO, RIO �}EIR, COMMENT�N DEIR CEQA AND VAFtIATIONS THEREOF AND
LOQKED F�R C�NTACTS, CHAD ORTLIEB, PLANNER ETC, ETC...... never got any informafiion on Rio Sabtiago, THE
PROJECT in planning, cequ, deir how to respand, contacts but I did find Alice Angus who retired still listed.
What am I missing?
How does one find info on the projects in planning like Rio Santiago and its DEIR, hovv and who to send
comments to? Is there a secret cocle to get PUBLIC INFORMATION?
Thanks
4
3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 38
Date: June 24, 2013
Charles Leffler
Response to Comment 38.1
The Commenter's statements related to not finding the proposed project on the City's website are noted.
Please refer to Section 2.11, Public Participation Process, Subsection 2.11.1, Availability of Draft EIR
related to access and availability of the Draft EIR. Additionally, please note that Diane Perry, City
Community Development Department emailed a link to the Rio Santiago Draft EIR website.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 38.2
The Commenter's statements related to not finding the proposed project on the City's website are noted.
Please refer to Section 2.11, Public Participation Process, Subsection 2.11.1, Availability of Draft EIR
related to access and availability of the Draft EIR. Additionally, please note that Diane Perry, City
Community Development Department emailed a link to the Rio Santiago Draft EIR website.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 38.3
The Commenter's statements related to the Santa Ana River/Santiago Creek Greenbelt Plan, OPA Plan,
EO General Plan, and Santiago Creek Implementation Plan are noted. Please refer to Master Response
Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.5.1, Conflict with Applicable Plans, Policies, or
Regulations related to the proposed project and the above mentioned plans, what portion of the proposed
project is within each City approved plan, and the proposed General Plan Amendment. Please refer to
Figure 3-8, EO General Plan and Figure 3-9, OPA Plan related to the proposed project area currently
within these plans. No further responses are necessary.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Page 3-290 City of Orange-Response to Comments/Final EIR—December 2013
SCH No. 2009051072 Rio Santiago Project
3.0 Comments and Responses
Response to Comment 38.4
The Commenter's statements related to the City's website and the above mentioned plans are noted.
Please refer to Section 2.11, Public Participation Process, Subsection 2.11.1, Availabiliry of Draft EIR
related to access and availability of the Draft EIR. Additionally, please note that Diane Perry, City
Community Development Department emailed a link to the Rio Santiago Draft EIR website. Please note
that the OPA Plan and the EO General Plan are available on the City's website. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.5,Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.5.1, Conflict with Applicable Plans, Policies,
or Regulations related to the proposed project and the applicable plans, policies and regulations. Please
note that the documents are not on the City's website because they are not expressly approved documents
by the City.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
City of Orange-Response to Comments/Final EIR—December 2013 Page 3-291
Rio Santiago Project SCH No. 2009051072
LETTER 39
Jakki Tonkovich
'rom: Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb@cityoforange.org>
�ent: Monday,July Ol, 2013 8:28 AM
To: Megan Penn;Jakki Tonkovich; Fred Talarico;Jackie Bateman
��; Leslie Roseberry
Subject: FW: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
FYI...
From: Charles Leffler [mailto:charlesleffler@ymail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 11:34 AM
To: Diane Perry
Cc: Leslie Roseberry; Chad Ortlieb
Subject: Re: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
Ms Perry,
Thank you for the Link and it does work.
The problem of getting to That page by going through the City's site still stands. As I
said to the webmaster in my e-mail, I searched Santiago, DEIR, EIR, planning, Chad
Ortleib, and many combinations there of and Never got Mr Ortleib's contact information
or the Pages you sent me.
�s a Public issue I have directed others to the City site to look at the Project
information. Can you tell me HOW TO GET TO THAT PAGE FROM THE CITY'S
HOME PAGE? 39.1
It would be great if there was a Hot Topics link or some easy way for we who are not
familiar with the City's web system.
Please let me know if you can or direct me to the contact that show me the way to find
out what the buttons keywords or links are when starting from the City Home Page to
get to this page.
I apologize in advance if it like missing the light because you are staring into the Sun
but I really spent an embarrassing amount of time Trying to navigate the system to find
something like this link page and got nowhere.
Thank you,
Another thing, in my research I find that the following 4 Plans that concern or direct the
use of sections of the Property were created and signed into being by both the
COUNTY Of ORANGE and The CITY Of ORANGE back in the 1970s. They are:
The Santa Ana River, Santiago Creek Greenbelt Plan -1971 39.2
�he Orange Park Acres Plan -1973
The East Orange Community Plan -1975
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The Santiago Creek Implementation Plan -1976
The OPA Plan cover a Sphere of Influence calling for 1 acre minimums on
approximately 50 acres of the development target area. That includes approximately 39 �
the section planned for an 80K commercial type building and some of the high rise coni
senior units west of B Street and a large per-centage of the rest of the property East of
B Street. The OPA Plan has been a important document and many times the City has
upheld its value and validity as a Planning tool.
Some of the other Plans have been implemented or partially implemented
downstream and are import resources to understand the true potentials for the site.
It is due to high value of these Plans that I ask that they be presented as links in
the in the DEIR information immediately. There is only 7 days to get comments and
those Plans are important to understanding the history, intent and some of the
conditions that have over-riding consideration on the use of the proposed development 39.3
site. Would it also be possible to put Links to those Plans and the Link you just sent me
to access the DEIR for Rio on the City Home page as a hot topic information box?
If I need to come down to the Planning Desk to make this request in person please
let me know as soon as possible. I can be there in the early afternoon, today. I had
planned to come to speak with Mr Ortlieb but when I called this morning I discovered
as you stated, he is on vacation until Jul 1 . Please let me know if/ when the links to the
Plans will be on the City site or if I need to speak to someone else as Time Is Of The
Essence.
I did not plan to get into the Existing Plans/DEIR considerations in this e-mail but
as time is short and there is so much valuable information on and direction for the
Property in the 4 Plans I ask that this e-mail become part of the DEIR Comments so
that it may be referenced in later conversations.
Thank you for your time and assistance,
Charles Leffler
10693 Orange Park BI.
Orange, Ca. 92869
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From: Diane Perry <dp�rr�(cr�cit�oforanqe.org>
To: charlesleffler(a�vmail.com
Cc: Leslie Roseberry<Iros�berr�(cr7citvoforanqe arq>; Chad Ortlieb <cartliebCa�cityoforanq�.orq>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:10 AM
Subject: FW: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
http://www.citvoforan�e.or�Jdeptslcommdev/plannin proiect notices and related environrnental docume
ntsJrio santia�o noa and nac of draft eir may 2013 asp ��
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this project, his email is as shown above. He is out of the offiice, returning on luly 1. But
yau can still still emails, correspondence, etc. to his attention.
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Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 7:34 AM
To: Diane Perry
Subject: FW: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
Inquiry
From: charleslefflerCa�ymail.com [mailto:charlesleffilerCaymail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 8:05 AM
To: Webmaster
Subject: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
I searched DEIR, PLAhINENG DEPT. RIO, R(O DEIR, COMMENT ON DEIR CEqA AND VARIATIONS THEREOF AND
LOOKED FOR CONTACTS, CHAD ORTLIEB, PLANNER ETC, ETC...... never got any ir�formation an Rio Sabtiago,THE
PROJECT in planning, cequ, deir how to r�spand, contac�s but I did find Alice Angus who retired still listed.
What am I missing?
How does one find info on the projects in planning like Rio Santiago and its DEIR, how and who to send
comments to? Is there a secret code to get PUBLIC INFC}RMATION?
Thanks
3
3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 39
Date: June 24,2013
Charles Leffler
Response to Comment 39.1
The Commenter's statements related to not finding the proposed project on the City's website are noted.
Please refer to Section 2.11, Public Participation Process, Subsection 2.1 l.l, Availability of Draft EIR
related to access and availability of the Draft EIR. Additionally, please note that Diane Perry, City
Community Development Department emailed a link to the Rio Santiago Draft EIR website.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 39.2
See the response to Comment 38.3.
Response to Comment 39.3
See the response to Comment 38.4.
City of Orange-Response to Comments/Final EIR—December 2013 Page 3-295
Rio Santiago Project SCH No. 2009051072
LETTER 40
Jakki Tonkovich
'rom: Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb@cityoforange.org>
�ent: Monday, July O1, 2013 8:39 AM
To: Megan Penn;Jakki Tonkovich; Fred Talarico;Jackie Bateman
��; Leslie Roseberry
Subject: FW: Rio Santiago Project
FYI...
From: Steve Ducolon [mailto:steveC�lund-iorio.com]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 3:06 PM
To: Chad Ortlieb
Subject: Rio Santiago Project
Chad,
I am righting you today regarding The Rio Santiago project re zoning.
As a resident of Mayberry Ranch I oppose the rezoning of this open space.
40.1
The changes below are unacceptable based on the very reasons I purchased this property in the first place.
I moved to this part of Orange because of the open space feel it has.
nvestors want the city to rewrite all the rules so they can profit from a 265 unit high-rise/high-density
development plus a 130-unit housing tract, and an 81,000 square foot two story building.
This will ruin my view and decrease the value of my property and the area as a whole.
I am sure the developer and the city are not going to reimburse me for these loses?
The developer is requesting major changes to the City's General Plan and zone changes to accommodate their
Rio Santiago project without any consideration to the surroundings. 40.2
This area already is traffic challenged and I don't see the developer or the city addressing that issue either. 40.3
During school season it can take 25 minutes to leave Mayberry Ranch and get to Katella and Cannon.
This developer wants to change the look and character of this area and it is not fair to the public that lives here
and has purchased property based on it's serenity and country feel. 40.4
Thank you for taking the time to read this I and I trust you will do the right thing and not allow this developer to
convince the city council to rezone this area for their profit!
Sent from my iPad
Steve Ducolon
6534 E. Smokey Ave
Orange Ca 92867
Fax 949-443-4856
.;ell 714-878-4579
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3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 40
Date:June 24, 2013
Steve Ducolon
Response to Comment 40.1
The Commenter's statements related to decrease in property values are noted. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics, related to the proposed project and the surrounding community. Please
refer to Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.53, Physically Divide an
Established Community related to the proposed project and the surrounding community. Please note that
the proposed project has significant unavoidable impacts related to aesthetics (Draft EIR Section 5.1,
Aesthetics).
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 40.2
The Commenter's statements related to zone changes and the surrounding community are noted. The
applicant has a right to submit an application for consideration by the City. No predetermination has been
made far the project and the project is subject to consideration by the City Council. Please refer to Draft
EIR Section 5.10, Land Use and Planning related to the project site zoning. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.5.3, Physically Divide an Established
Community related to the proposed project and the surrounding community and zoning.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 40.3
The Commenter's statements related to increase in traffic are noted. Please refer to Master Response
Section 2.8, Transportation and Tra�c and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and Tra�c, for
analysis ofproject related effects on traffic.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
City of Orange-Response to Comments/Final EIR—December 2013 Page 3-297
Rio Santiago Project SCH No. 2009051072
3.0 Comments and Responses
Response to Comment 40.4
The Commenter's statements related to degrading of rural environment are noted. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.2,Aesthetics, Subsection 2.2.2,Rural Character/Communiry Character related to the
community character/environment of the surrounding area and the project site. Please note that the
proposed project has significant unavoidable impacts related to aesthetics (Draft EIR Section 5.1,
Aesthetics).
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Page 3-298 City of Orange-Response to Comments/Final EIR—December 2013
SCH No. 2009051072 Rio Santiago Project
LETTER 41
June 24, 2013
Chad Ortlieb
Senior Planner Planning Division
AGENCY City of Orange
300 East Chapman Avenue
Orange, CA. 92866
Frank Su
5904 E Shenandoah Ave
Orange, CA 92867
Chad,
As a current resident of Maybury Ranch and where I spent my childhood, I am writing in full support of
the Rio Santiago project. We have seen East Orange develop into an active community with this site as a
remaining industrial eyesore. Below are my main points in support of the project.
41.1
1. Housing—With the dearth of any new supply of housing,the local housing market continues to
rise and shut out the middle class from being able to purchase a home. The project will supply
new stock of single family homes and the senior housing provides our aging community housing
and care options, which is not found in the neighborhood. With most of the housing stock in
the area built in the 1970's and 80's, a new development will enhance visual landscape.
2. Traffic—Santiago Canyon is a thoroughfare at the site as there is no visual break or activity on
the site today. The current fencing and wall of trees creates a tunnel, which just encourages 41.2
cars to speed. The Rio Santiago project will add a visual relief and new lighted intersections,
which will slow down traffic on Santiago Canyon.
3. Gravel yard-The current use requires trucks that drag gravel and dust onto Santiago Canyon
and into residential areas. This use has been outlived by the development of single family 41.3
communities in the area. The gravel yard is also an attractive nuisance for vandals and others.
4. Open Space—The plan goes above and beyond what is required to preserve open space for
trails that can be used by all. The development will provide active living on both sides of the 41.4
trail and really make the creek area an active zone.
5. YMCA—The possibility of a YMCA that can provide the community a focal point for p ysical
activity and programs for our families from swimming, dance, and sports. There is a lot of
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natural open space in the area, but no place for active play or organized sports. The new YMCA
facilities are wonderful and can become the heart of a community.
Thank you,
Frank Su
3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 41
Date: June 24,2013
Frank Su
Response to Comment 41.1
The Commenter's statements related to support of the proposed project and housing are noted. Please
refer to Draft EIR Section 5.13, Population and Housing related to the proposed project and housing.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 41.2
The Commenter's statements related to Santiago Canyon as a thoroughfare are noted. Please refer to
Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics related to the view of Santiago Canyon Road. Please refer to
Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic related to the proposed project traffic
improvements and impacts.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 41.3
The Commenter's statements related to the gravel yard are noted. Please refer to Master Response
Section 2.2, Aesthetics, Subsection 2.5.3, Physically Divide an Established Community related to the
proposed project, surrounding neighborhood, and the current use.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 41.4
The Commenter's statements related to the proposed open space and trail are noted. Please refer to
Master Response Section 2.6, Open Space, related to the proposed project and the proposed open space.
Please refer to Master Response Section 2.7, Recreation related to the proposed project and recreational
areas and trails. Additionally,please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.10,Land Use and Planning and Section
5.15,Recreation related to the proposed project open space and trails.
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This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 41.5
The Commenter's statements related to the YMCA are noted.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
City of Orange-Response to Comments/Final E/R—December 2013 Page 3-301
Rio Santiago Project SCH No. 2009051072
LETTER 42
Jakki Tonkovich
'rom: Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb@cityoforange.org>
�ent: Monday, July Ol, 2013 8:43 AM
To: Megan Penn;Jakki Tonkovich; Fred Talarico;Jackie Bateman
��; Leslie Roseberry
Subject: FW: open space for opa
FYI...
From: Bonnie Landin [mailto:bllandinCc�yahao.com]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 5:52 PM
To: Chad Ortlieb
Subject: open space for opa
Dear Sirs:
Please honor the 1970's pledge for open spaces in Orange Park Acres. We already have enough traffic and 42.1
congestion in east Orange. We need open space to breathe!
Thank you,
Bonnie Landin
OPA resident
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3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 42
Date: June 24, 2013
Bonnie Landin
OPA Resident
Response to Comment 42.1
The Commenter's statements related to honoring the open space pledge in Orange Park Acres, traffic, and
air quality are noted. Please refer to Section 2.5,Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.5.1, Conflict with
Applicable Plans, Policies, or Regulations, related to the proposed project and the OPA Plan. Please refer
to Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation
and Traffic, related to increase in traffic. Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.3,Air Quality related to the
proposed project and air quality.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
City of Orange-Response to Comments/Final E/R—December 2013 Page 3-303
Rio Santiago Project SCH No. 2009051072
LETTER 43
Jakki Tonkovich
'rom: Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb@cityoforange.org>
�ent: Monday, July O1, 2013 8:46 AM
To: Megan Penn;Jakki Tonkovich; Fred Talarico;Jackie Bateman
Cc: Leslie Roseberry
Subject: FW: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
The below response should be noted in the public comments for purposes of documenting DEIR public availability and
City efforts to provide access to those that have difficulty downloading the files from their computer.
Thanks
From: Leslie Roseberry .
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:39 AM
To: 'Charles Leffler'
Cc: Chad Ortlieb; Diane Perry; Jennifer Le; Sharon Penttila
Subject: RE: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
Mr. Lefler:
The Orange Park Acres Plan is actually on the City's website and can be found through this link;
'�tt��:�lwww.c.itvofor��nqe.orc�;civic��xlfilebank;bfobc�lo��d aspx'�QlrablD-f902
The East Orange General Plan 1975 can be found on this link: 43.1
http:!/vvww.rityafior�3n��.orqlcivicax/fiilek�{inkiblobdlat_�d f�spx?PIobID=7258
We have hard copies of the other two documents and are scanning them today and will provide you with
electronic copies.
Thank you,
�eslie Aranda Roseberry
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'rom: Charles Leffler [mailto:charleslefflerCa�ymaiLcom]
Sent: Monday, ]une 24, 2013 11:34 AM
To: Diane Perry
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Cc: Leslie Roseberry; Chad Ortlieb
Subject: Re: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
Ms Perry,
Thank you for the Link and it does work.
The problem of getting to That page by going through the City's site still stands. As I
said to the webmaster in my e-mail, I searched Santiago, DEIR, EIR, planning, Chad
Ortleib, and many combinations there of and Never got Mr Ortleib's contact information
or the Pages you sent me.
As a Public issue I have directed others to the City site to look at the Project
information. Can you tell me HOW TO GET TO THAT PAGE FROM THE CITY'S
HOME PAGE?
It would be great if there was a Hot Topics link or some easy way for we who are not
familiar with the City's web system.
Please let me know if you can or direct me to the contact that show me the way to find
out what the buttons keywords or links are when starting from the City Home Page to
get to this page.
I apologize in advance if it like missing the light because you are staring into the Sun
but I really spent an embarrassing amount of time Trying to navigate the system to find
something like this link page and got nowhere.
Thank you,
Another thing, in my research I find that the following 4 Plans that concern or direct the
use of sections of the Property were created and signed into being by both the
COUNTY Of ORANGE and The CITY Of ORANGE back in the 1970s. They are:
The Santa Ana River, Santiago Creek Greenbelt Plan -1971
The Orange Park Acres Plan -1973
The East Orange Community Plan -1975
The Santiago Creek Implementation Plan -1976
The OPA Plan cover a Sphere of Influence calling for 1 acre minimums on
approximately 50 acres of the development target area. That includes approximately
the section planned for an 80K commercial type building and some of the high rise
senior units west of B Street and a large per-centage of the rest of the property East of
B Street. The OPA Plan has been a important document and many times the City has
upheld its value and validity as a Planning tool.
Some of the other Plans have been implemented or partially implemented
downstream and are import resources to understand the true potentials for the site.
It is due to high value of these Plans that I ask that they be presented as links in
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the in the DEIR information immediately. There is only 7 days to get comments and
those Plans are important to understanding the history, intent and some of the
conditions that have over-riding consideration on the use of the proposed development
;ite. Would it also be possible to put Links to those Plans and the Link you just sent me
to access the DEIR for Rio on the City Home page as a hot topic information box?
If I need to come down to the Planning Desk to make this request in person please
let me know as soon as possible. I can be there in the early afternoon, today. I had
planned to come to speak with Mr Ortlieb but when I called this morning I discovered
as you stated, he is on vacation until Jul 1 . Please let me know if/ when the links to the
Plans will be on the City site or if I need to speak to someone else as Time Is Of The
Essence.
I did not plan to get into the Existing Plans/DEIR considerations in this e-mail but
as time is short and there is so much valuable information on and direction for the
Property in the 4 Plans I ask that this e-mail become part of the DEIR Comments so
that it may be referenced in later conversations.
Thank you for your time and assistance,
Charles Leffler
10693 Orange Park BI.
Orange, Ca. 92869
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From: Diane Perry<dperry�citvoforanqe.orq> �
To: charlesleffler(cD.ymail.com
Cc: Leslie Roseberry<Iraseberry(a�cityoforanqe.orq>; Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb(a�cityoforanqe.org>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:10 AM
Subject: FW: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
http://www.cityofaran�e.or�Jdepts/cammdev/plannin�/pro�ect notices and related environmental docume
ntlrio santia�o noa and noc of draft eir mav 2013.asp
This is the link-should wark. Let us know if it doesn't. Chad Ortlieb, Senior Pfanner on
this project, his emaif is as shown above. He is out of the office, returning on July 1. But
you can still still em�ifs, correspondence, etc. to his attention.
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Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 7:34 AM
To: Diane Perry
Subject: FW: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
Inquiry
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From: charlesleff{erC�ymaiLcom [mailto:charleslefflerCa�ymaiLcom]
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 8:05 AM
To: Webmaster
Subject: DEIR COMMENTS FOR RIO
I searched DEIR, PLANNING E�EPT. RIO, R{� DEIR, COMMENT ON DEER CEQA AND VARIATIONS TH�REaF AND
LOOKED FOR CONTACTS, CHAD ORTLIEB, PLAN�IER ETC, ETC...... never got any information on Ria Sabtiago,THE
PROIECT in planning, cequ, dein c�rw to respond, contacts but I did find Alice Angus who retired still (isted.
What am 1 missing?
Fiow does ane find info on the projects in planning like Rio Santiago and its DEIR, hcaw and who tc�send
comments ta? Is there a secret code to get PUBL{C iNFQRMATION?
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3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 43
Date: June 25, 2013
Charles Leffler
Response to Comment 43.1
The Commenter's statements related to not finding the proposed project on the City's website are noted.
Please refer to Section 2.11, Public Participation Process, Subsection 2.11.1, Availability of Draft EIR
related to access and availability of the Draft EIR. Additionally, please note that Leslie Roseberry, City
Community Development Department emailed a link to the OPA Plan and EO General Plan on the City's
website and had electronic copies of the other requested plans sent to you. Additionally, please see
Responses to Comment Letters 38 and 39 for additional response to information.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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LETTER 44
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Thc Zoaing changc nccdcd for thc dcvclo�mcpt�c ��awcd.OP�1,has Ueeri consistent wit11 tlZe general pta�
li�r dcvclopmcnl. Many rhangcs would bc in or�cr to complc�c this projecl,
Smaf f 4at sice for the i30 hr�mCs, witii li�t(c crj��n S�acci arnund thc homc�.
44.1
Eg: Broadmoor homes was a dcvclapment which varicd from the rtorm,however the builder
}�rovided a gseat deat af open spaces. 'Che develapment l�as 2 lakes,4 teTlnys Ct?U1t5,d StAF�Ie f(3i'
i fi�-hnrscs,an cxcrcisc Iurn�7uL an arcna,a p<>c�l nn�!c�mfortable"npen space ar�und . __ _
The proposed ct�valoprnent has one entrance fnr the 130 hames,and one f'vr the recreation area.
Tr�(Tio is nenr impossible naw at tl�e intersectio3a of Ca�aion��d Santiago.
FCi:T7rcvcr must currently iinc u�at.Orangc T'ark Bc�ulcvarci t�mak�t.114 tra�sitioit frt�zn SatttiRgo 44.2
io C3nnot3.UrivCrs arc nok co�.irtcat�s lo thosC alicrripting tp cnter Sanli8�0&E street that kaave no
signa�.'�he back gate at Broadmoar is but�ne example.
The proposed Recreation as•ea is di�•ectly adj�cerat co the metliaiie field,A possibte legal isstic with childrei�
that mi,�;t�t have an adverse reaction,brir:�ing action a�ainst the City for pennitkin�this expasiue.'I'l:e 44.3
devetoper praposes that this sight be a"privately hetd parcei"wl�ich could eventually be turned into
adrlitic�nnS 11c�nee siglus.
'�1��proposecl Scniar�-Tuusin�is als�not properly placc:cl in the c�mmunity.This facitity has no Iacal public
trsns�ortstion. It atso l�Cks any dr�zg smres, shop�ing centers,nor medical fscilities sysilah]e w�ithstt 44.4
reasanabl�distancc, This Laciliiy m�y rmc day he just anather apartrraent cpn�}�lex,�5 �hi5 911 piaced Center
has tittle hopt oti survival. This passibility would be catastrophic to the community,tr�t�it,iavv enforcen�e�t
ac�d Paramedic response.
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3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 44
Date: June 25,2013
Frances Bauer
Response to Comment 44.1
The Commenter's statements related to the zone change, size of the lots, and limited amount of open
space are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.6, Open Space, related to the proposed project
open space and other amenities offered. Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.10, Land Use and Planning
related to the project site zoning. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.7,Recreation related to the
proposed project and recreation.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 44.2
The Commenter's statements related to traffic increase are noted. Please refer to Master Response
Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and Traff c, related to
increase in traffic.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 44.3
The Commenter's statements related to the proposed recreation area being directly adjacent tc� the
methane field are noted. Planning Arc�s A and B are adjacent to the formcr Villa Park Landtill site. The
County operates a methane systetn on the former Villa Park Landfill site. The Commenter's opinions that
there is a ��ssible legal issue i�ith cl7ildren �that might have an adverse reaction and �i•inging action
agai��st the City f'or permitting this expasure is noted. The consideration of a projects possible future legal
issue is not a CEQA consideration and such analysis would be speculative. CEQA requires only the
analysis of effects that are reasonably foreseeable and not changes that are speculative in nature. It is the
opinion of the City that Commenters' concerns are speculative in nature. Therefore,no further analysis of
these concerns is warranted.
The Commenter's statements related to Planning Area B being a privately held pai-cel whicl7 could
eventually be turned into additional home sites are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.10,
Alternatives, Subsection 2.9.1, Additional Alternatives, Residential Alternative related to residential uses
in Planning Area B.
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This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 44.4
Commercial and Medical Facilities
The location of commercial and medical services and facilities related to the proposed project is not a
California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) issue. For information only, it can be noted that the
nearest commercial center (i.e., shopping opportunity) is located 2.5 miles from the project site. The
nearest medical services (i.e., emergency walk-in) are located 5 miles from the project site. Major
medical services are provided in the City at St. Joseph's Hospital and CHOC Children's Hospital (7 miles
from the project site).
Fire Protection
Related to fire protection including emergency medical services the Draft EIR found that the proposed
project would have the potential to result in a short-term significant impact related to the provision of fire
protection and emergency medical services by the City Fire Department during construction-related
activities. With the inclusion of PDF PS- l, the proposed project would have a less than significant
impact and no mitigation measures would be required. The proposed project would have the potential to
increase the demand for fire protection services to the project site beyond the existing conditions. With
the inclusion of PDF PS-1, PDF PS-2, and PDF PS-3 the proposed project would have a less than
significant impact and no mitigation measures would be required. (Page 5.14-12 of the Draft EIR)
Police Protection
Related to police protection the Draft EIR found that the proposed project would have less than
significant impacts related to the provision of police protection by the City Police Department during
construction-related activities. The proposed project would have less than significant impacts related to
increase the demand for police protection services to the project site beyond the existing conditions. (Page
5.14-18 of the Draft EIR)
Conversion to Multi-Family Housing—Planning Area C
The Commenter's opinion that proposed project age-targeted housing in Planning Area C is noted. The
conversion to Planning Area C from age-targeted housing to a multi-family apartment complex would
require appropriate CEQA documentation and zoning code compliance, including parking requirements.
Such a change to the project would require amendments to the Rio Santiago Specific Plan and
amendments to the site plan.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
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noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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LETTER 45
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30o East Chapman Avenue
Oranee.CA 92866
1?ear Mr.Ortlieb and Planninbg Division,
I am writin�this letter in resnonse ta The DraB Environmental Imnact Re�ort for the Rio Santia�o nroiect.
I am very much against the praposed plan because of nurnerous factors. It will highly impact my�life and
the lives of all af us in the East 4range area.
Mv husband and I both commute ta and from work and the traffic on Santiaeo is alreadv unbearable in both
directions. I know there has been another future development already approved by the City Council for the 45.1
lrvine Cflmpany project. I don't even know haw the current roads will even be able to handle that traf�ic let
aldne vvhat is bein�nronosed on this nr4iect. Also as far as traffic.there is a senior l�ousin�nraiect bein�
proposed. This wilt put many elderly peaple on the road that is already a traffic nightmare. A road where
people try and speed whenever passible. it's a recipe for disaster. And along with senior housing and
skilled nursin�comes more deliverv's.mare emer�encv vehicles.mnre delivery trucks. Its is iust not
acceptable.
Also having been in the Orange/C3PA area for aver 15 years,I knaw that there have been four pians adopted 45.2
bv the Gitv of(Jran�e in the 70's identifv this area is not far residential develobment let alone hi�h densitv
housing.
This kind of development is not in keeping with the area we live in. It does not canform to the surrounding
areas of Villa Park.Mavbury Ranch.Oranee Park Acres and envuons.
And last but nat least this praject is NOT zoned for any af the uses praposed. It is zoned Resourcel Sand& 45.3
Gravel with a desimation as Onen space and has heen for 40 vears.
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3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 45
Date: June 20,2013
Sharon Butterfield
Response to Comment 45.1
The Commenter's statements related to being against the proposed and the increase in traffic are noted.
Please refer to Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16,
Transportation and Traffic, related to increase in traffic.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 45.2
The Commenter's statements related to the adopted plans for the project site are noted. The applicant has
the right to propose changes to the City's General Plan, including the Orange Park Acres Plan and East
Orange General Plan. The City has not made any predetermination on the project. Please refer to Section
2.5, Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.5.1, Conflict with Applicable Plans, Policies, or Regulations,
related to the proposed project and City adopted plans.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 45.3
The Commenter's opinions related to community character,project site zoning, and open space are noted.
The applicant has the right to propose changes to the City's General Plan, including the Orange Park
Acres Plan and East Orange General Plan. The DEIR concludes that an unavoidable long-term visual
impact would occur to Planning Areas B, C, and D. The City has not made any predetermination on the
project. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics related to community character. Please
refer to Draft EIR Section 5.10,Land Use and Planning related to the project site zoning. Please refer to
Master Response Section 2.6, Open Space, related to the proposed project open space and other amenities
offered.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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LETTER 46
Jakki Tonkovich
From: Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb@cityoforange.org>
Sent: Monday, July O1, 2013 9:41 AM
To: Megan Penn;Jakki Tonkovich; Fred Talarico;Jackie Bateman
Cc: Leslie Roseberry
Subject: FW: Rio Santiago
FYI...
From: Dan Graupensperger [mailto:vonkaC�pacbeEl.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 7:50 PM
To: Chad Ortlieb
Subject: Rio Santiago
Chad,
After a review of the Draft EIR and conversations with people who have been following
this project I think it will be a mistake to build the proposed Rio Santiago project. Most of the
site has been designated as sand and gravel or open space for many years. The entire adjacent 46.1
area was developed based on a long standing, recently updated general plan that no one could
have had a reasonable expectation would change. Furthermore, a large portion of the proposed
project falls within the OPA Specific Plan yet does not comply with that plan. The proposed
project does not reflect the character of the adjacent horse oriented
neighborhood.
When reading the Draft EIR the firm that prepared it referred to potential
increase in traffic, noise, call load for fire and police. The language used leads the reader to
think these things may only possibly happen. This is misleading. All those things will happen
without question. I cannot understand why the EIR would reference a facility so far away on
which to base fire response and call load when there are these kinds of developments already
within the city limits. Santiago Canyon Rd. and Cannon is already a very busy 46.2
intersection. The number and types of dwelling units proposed in the Rio Santiago project will
add to this congestion. As Irvine starts to develop the area east of Jamboree the congestion will
become even worse. The Executive Summary 2.3.4 says there will be no significant impact on
Meats and Santiago. Again I think the EIR fails to reflect reality. During the school year this
intersection is often so impacted by traffic that vehicles are backed up around the corner from
Meats to the first signal on Santiago. There is also
language in section 2.3.1 concerning visual impact caused by the project that will be mitigated
according to the municipal code. Again the EIR does not reflect reality, the current on going
use requires shielding with either a fence or dirt berm that is landscaped, neither of these are 46.3
currently in place. The owner of the property is not in compliance with municipal code now
why expect him to be in compliance at a later date `? The nature
of assisted living facilities means there are a lot people with long term health issues that re�
emergency services on a regular basis. Everyone of these facilities currently operating in
Orange is a heavy user of fire department resources. This not a good or bad thing it is just a I
�
fact. However, this does mean there will be emergency apparatus at the proposed facility on a
regular if not daily basis. Furthermore, this facility is not located near a comprehensive 46.4
emergency care
acility.
The point of all this is that this project is not a good fit for the area
so what basis would the city use to change the zoning. If there is a compelling need the city as
a whole is missing and this development will fill that need there might be a basis for changing
the zoning. However, what the reality seems to be is that the current owner of the property 46.5
purchased it knowing the zoning but planned to change it. He wants to do this for no other
reason than personal gain, not a bad reason, but he expects the surrounding neighborhood to
accept lower property values, more traffic, more noise and less open space without any
compensation. This is not a basis for changing the zoning. Please do not allow the zoning for
the parcels in question to be changed at this time.
Dan
z
3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 46
Date: June 26, 2013
Dan Graupensperger
Response to Comment 46.1
The Commenter's statements related to zoning of the project site, OPA Plan, and community character
are noted. The applicant has the right to propose changes to the City's General Plan, including the
Orange Park Acres Plan and East Orange General Plan. The City has not made any predetermination on
the project. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics, Subsection 2.2.2, Rural
Character/Community Character related to the community character/environment of the surrounding area
and the project site. Please refer to Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.5.1, Conflict with
Applicable Plans, Policies, or Regulations, related to the proposed project and the OPA Plan. Please refer
to Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.53, Physically Divide an
Established Community related to the proposed project and the surrounding community and zoning.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 46.2
The Commenter's statements related to increase in traffic, noise, and fire and police load are noted.
Please note that the Commenter did not provide refuting data within the comment. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and
Tra�c, related to increase in traffic. Please note that the proposed project would have a significant
unavoidable impact related to transportation and traffic. Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.12, Noise
related to the proposed project and noise. Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.14,Public Services related
to increase in fire and police load.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 46.3
The Commenter's statements related to visual impacts are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section
2.2, Aesthetics, related to visual impacts related to the community character/environment of the
surrounding area and the project site. Please note that the proposed project would have a significant
unavoidable impact related to aesthetic visual impacts. Please note that the impacts of existing uses on the
project site are not a part of the proposed project. They represent the baseline condition far the Draft EIR
review.
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This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 46.4
The Commenter's statements related to seniors and emergency services are noted. Please refer to Draft
EIR Section 5.14,Public Services related to increase in fire and police load. Please note that proximity of
the proposed project to comprehensive emergency care is not a California Environmental Quality Act
(CEQA)issue.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 46.5
The Commenter's statements related to zone change, loss of property value, more traffic, more noise, and
less open space are noted. The applicant has the right to propose changes to the City's General Plan,
including the Orange Park Acres Plan and East Orange General Plan. The motive of the property owner
for the application is not a CEQA issue. The City has not made any predetermination on the project.
Please refer to Master Response Section 2.6, Open Space, Subsection 2.6.1,Loss of Open Space related to
the proposed project impact on open space. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation
and Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and Traffic, related to increase in traffic. Please
refer to Draft EIR Section 5.12,Noise related to the proposed project and noise.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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LETTER 47
June 26,2013
Chad Ortlieb-Senior Planner-Planning Division (cortlieb@cityoforange.org)
City of Orange
300 E Chapman
Orange,CA 92866
Mr Ortlieb
RE: EIR Rio Santiago Development
Zoning change needed
Development is inconsistent with OPA general plan for development
Many changes would be in order to complete this project.
Mining,Open Space,Multiple dwelling,Recreation,Methane
130 homes with Small lot size 47.1
Little open spaces around the homes.
E.g.: Broadmoor homes was a development which varied from the norm,however the
builder provided a great deal of open spaces.The development has 2 lakes,4 tennis
courts,a stable for 16+horses,an exercise turnout,an arena,a pool and
comfortable"open space"around.
No immediate parks
No horse trail connections
Public school impacted
Access and Egress
One entrance for the 130 homes,and one for the recreation area.
Traffic
Difficult and dangerous,near impossible now at the intersection of Cannon and Santiago. 47.2
EG: Driver must currently line up at Orange Park Boulevard to make the transition from
Santiago to Cannon. Drivers are not courteous to those attempting to enter Santiago at
street that have no signal.The back gate at Broadmoor is but one example.
Proposed Recreation area
Directly adjacent to the methane field. 47.3
A possible legal issue with children that might have an adverse reaction,bringing action against
the City for permitting this exposure.
Recreation Facilities
Proposes as"privately held parcel"which could eventually be turned into additional home sights
Proposed operators may find it extremely difficult to financially operate this type of operation. 47.4
Users of facility generally come from other areas of community,with no public transportation to
the facility
Senior Housing
Improperly placed in the community.
This facility has no local public transportarion.
It also lacks any drug stores,shopping centers,ar medical facilities within reasonable distance. 47.5
This facility may one day be just another apartment complex,as this ill placed Center has little
hope of survival.This possibility would be catastrophic to the community,traffic, law
enforcement and Paramedic response.
LeRoy Pendray
7826 E Broadmoor Trail
Orange,CA 92869
3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 47
Date: June 26, 2013
LeRoy Pendray
Response to Comment 47.1
The Commenter's statements related to zoning change needed and development being inconsistent with
the OPA Plan for development are noted. The applicant has the right to propose changes to the City's
General Plan, including the Orange Park Acres Plan and East Orange General Plan. The City has not
made any predetermination on the project. Please refer to Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning,
Subsection 2.5.1, Conflict with Applicable Plans, Policies, or Regulations, related to the proposed project
and the OPA Plan. The Commenter's statements related to zoning are noted. Master Response Section
2.5, Land Use and Planning, and Draft EIR Section 5.10, Land Use and Planning related to the existing
and proposed zoning on the project site. The Commenter's statements related to changes would be in
order to complete these projects are noted. Please refer to Section 3.0, Project Description of the Draft
EIR related to actions need to complete the project. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5, Land
Use and Planning, and Draft EIR Section 5.10, Land Use and Planning related to the existing and
proposed zoning on the project site.
The Commenter's statements related to mining on the project site are noted. Please refer to Draft EIR
Section 5.11,Minerals related to loss of mining on the project site.
The Commenter's statements related to open space are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section
2.6, Open Space related to open space in the vicinity of the proposed project. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.7,Recreation related to the recreational areas and trails of the proposed project.
The Commenter's statements related to multiple dwellings and the amount of open spaces around the
homes on the project site are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and
Planning, and Draft EIR Section 5.10,Land Use and Planning related land use on the project site. Please
refer to Master Response Section 2.2,Aesthetics related to community character.
The Commenter's statements related to recreation are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5,
Land Use and Planning, and Draft EIR Section 5.10,Land Use and Planning related to the existing and
proposed zoning on the project site. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.7, Recreation related to
recreation of the proposed project.
The Commenter's statements related to methane on the project site are noted. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.3,Hazards and Hazardous Materials related to methane on the project site.
The Commenter's statements related to little open space around the homes and surrounding communities
are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.6, Open Space related to open space in the vicinity
of the proposed project. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5,Land Use and Planning, and Draft
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EIR Section 5.10, Land Use and Planning related land use on the project site. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.2,Aesthetics related to community character.
The Commenter's statements related to there being no immediate parks to the project site are noted.
Please refer to Master Response Section 2.7, Recreation, Subsection 2.7.1,Parks related to parks and the
proposed project. The Commenter's statements related to no horse trail connections are noted. Please
refer to Master Response Section 2.7,Recreation, Subsection 2.7.2, Trails related to trail connections and
the proposed project.
The Commenter's statements related to zoning Public school impacted are noted. Please refer to Draft
EIR Section 5.14,Public Services related to increase in public school students.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council far consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 47.2
The Commenter's statements related to the increase in traffic are noted. Please refer to Master Section
2.8, Transportation and Tra�c and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and Tra�c, related to
increase in traffic.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 47.3
The Commenter's statements related to public school impact are noted. Please refer to Section 5.14,
Public Services of the Draft EIR related to public school impacts. The Draft EIR found that with the
payment of the required school fees in accordance with the provisions of State law, the development of
the proposed project would have a less than significant impact on school facilities and no mitigation
measures would be required. (Draft EIR page 5.14-19) Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3,
Hazards and Hazardous Materials related to the proposed project and off-site former landfill.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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Response to Comment 47.4
The Commenter's opinions related to changing the YMCA to home sites are noted. Such a change would
require a General Plan amendment, Specific Plan Amendment and environmental analysis. Please refer to
Master Response Section 2.7, Recreation, Subsection 2.7.1, Parks related to parks and the proposed
project. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, and Draft EIR Section
5.10,Land Use and Planning related land use on the project site. Please refer to Master Response Section
2.2, Aesthetics related to community character. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.8,
Transportation and Tra�c, Subsection 2.8.5, Public Transportation & Elderly Transportation related to
the proposed project and public transportation.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 47.5
The Commenter's statements related to senior housing being in the improper location are noted. Please
note that this is an opinion of the Commenter. The location of commercial and medical services and
facilities related to the proposed project is not a California Environmental Quality Act issue. For
information only, it can be noted that the nearest commercial center(i.e., shopping opportunity) is located
2.5 miles from the project site. The nearest medical services(i.e., emergency walk-in) are located 5 miles
from the project site. Major medical services are provided in the City at St. Joseph's Hospital and CHOC
Children's Hospital (7 miles from the project site).
The Commenter's opinion that proposed project age-targeted housing in Planning Area C is noted. The
conversion to Planning Area C from age-targeted housing to a multi-family apartment complex would
require appropriate CEQA documentation and zoning code compliance, including parking requirements.
Such a change to the project would require amendments to the Rio Santiago Specific Plan and
amendments to the site plan.
Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, and Draft EIR Section 5.10, Land
Use and Planning related land use on the project site. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.2,
Aesthetics related to community character. Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.14,Public Services related
to the proposed project and police and fire services.
This information does not change the analysis ar conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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LETTER 48
Cindy Davidson
6122 E. Santiago Canyon Rd
Orange, Ca. 92869
June 26, 2013
Mr. Chad Ortlieb
Senior Planner for the City of Orange
City of Orange— Planning Division
300 East Chapman Ave.
Orange, Ca. 92866
Dear Mr. Ortlieb,
I am writing to you regarding the Rio Santiago Draft EIR. This plan is deeply flawed and not at
all in keeping with the current rural environment in which it is proposed. I want to address,
what I consider to be 2 very important aspects that have been ignored and /or shelved in the
developer's desire to reap profits.
The high rise/ high density housing that is proposed is being developed as a Senior Assisted
48.1
Living Facility. This location does not support that type of facility as it is not located close to any
medical facility and Doctor's Offices. Senior would have to drive quite a distance in order to see
their poctors and frankly, in order to grocery shop, and complete other weekly functions.
There is no current transportation system traveling down Santiago Canyon Rd. except by car.
The speeds on this stretch of the road are posted at 50 mph.
Also, the Sports Club—again, no way to access this via public transportation. This would not be
easily accessible to people living outside of the area.
48.2
These are just 2 reasons why this proposal in so inappropriate for the location —to say nothing
about the zoning change and definite impact on local property values.
Thank you for your consideration,
Cindy Davidson
3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 48
Date: June 26, 2013
Cindy Davidson
Response to Comment 48.1
The Commenter's statements related to the senior living site are noted. Please refer to Master Response
Section 2.5,Land Use and Planning, and Draft EIR Section 5.10,Land Use and Planning related land use
on the project site. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics related to community
character.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 48.2
The Commenter's statements related to the sports club and no public transportation are noted. Please
refer to Master Response Section 2.5,Land Use and Planning, and Draft EIR Section 5.10,Land Use and
Planning related land use on the project site. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.7, Recreation,
related to parks and the proposed project. Please refer to Section 5.16, Transportation and Traffic of the
Draft EIR related to public transportation and Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic
and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and Traffic, related to public transportation. Please note that
property values are not a California Environmental Quality Act(CEQA)topic.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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LETTER 49
lune �8, ZU13
Cc�mmunity I��velt�pment Departmenfi
Pl�nning Uiui�i�n
Attn, Chad(3rtlieb, Senic�r Alanner
3{�l�ast Cha�man Av�nue
t3range, Califc�rnia 9�866
Re: Rict San�i�gc� �E�R ZC�{7�t1S1�72
Dear Mr. E�rtlieb:
Thank yc�u fr�r t}�e c�ppc�rtunity fis� respc�nd to the[�raft E!R far the Rio S�nfiiag��rrtaje�L.
! have lived in�range �ark Acres#c�r 4£}year�. lVly�erspective may be�r�iqt�e in��S�t respec#c�nly.
1'I!keep my et�mrr�ents simpl� and��th�pc�int.
They are:
1. T�is prc�jeet �s�t�reat tc�those r�f us w�ao enjay what re�rtain�caf a rural lifestyle irt C7range Park
Acres. Apprt�uat 4f this pr��ect a�aer�s the dt�c�r to high density units in an area t�a� is protect�d 49.1
fc�r law density�nits,
2, l have eqr�al c�pp�r�unity t� pccr��rty righ�s and my lifestyle.A c�eveEaper has �� t�od-givers rigt�t
tc�take t�►at�way�re�m me.
3. 1'd like tc� have a Specifit Plan fc�r my property. T}�ere are severa� plans in pl�ce f�rr the East
{3ran�eJQPA area ri�l�t nav,r. t�r�e is laeir�g req�ested��ar Salert� L�ther�r�. The{7P,�5peci�ic Plan is
ign�r�d by st�ff�nd �c�unc�I ali�Ce. ViJlay t�ne m�re? Because the develc��er ean cha�ge his �nind 49.2
a�i�ut v�hat l�e`!I ��i1d an�3 nta one cat� stand in t�is way. [}ne mare Spec�fic P�an, t�c�way.
4. 1t's almost im�rvssible�c�r a lay-persc�n to underster�d the�crc�nym I�den c�m�ents, How c�n the
publi�res��nd?
5, The cc�m�inatir�n t�f the �r�p�set� ch�nges at Salem L�rther�n and the Ric�Saratiaga �roject will
create a massive and t�nwanted t��ffic incursiar� into��equestri�n�re�.1`his�EIR is n�t rec�uired
to address its im�,act �� the da��l projects, �`t�e city staff must s��rw t�e camma�nity hc�w traffic 49.3
will be han€�led i� br�th are ir�p�emented. Th� cc��°nm�r��ty tis�es r��t k�c�w and �snderstand �actw
these tv�rt� projects wi�l irnpact its lifestyie.
fi. �h�}�rcapt�sa�is s�c�t zc�r�ing�or tl�e high rise senic�r liui�g f�ci�ifiy.T�e cc�urts have rulec�thai ili�ga� 49.4
in th� �tarth Tt�stin c�se,This rrsust be e�c�ugh t� reject the pr���ssal.
7. it's clear frc�m tl�e {��IR's traffic analysis that this �r�ject h�� a E�rge tcaffic �rv�paet frc�m the 55
freeway �ast tc� .iarrik�c�ree Rc�ad; taking away c�n-street pa�'�ing, creatir�g rc�ad widen��ags a�d
adr�itions of�anes.�'�Se tr�fFic�mpact af t�is prt�ject is imrnense�nd des�nres far rr�c�re t�'�atrr��r�t
fh�n t}�e 1�ElR�ives it,
a, �"c�the k�est �f r�y knovv�ed�e, the traffic load analysis igr►c�r�s�he irr�pac�s �f �ar�pc�s�d 49.5
Irvine Co. ht�using�3eveltapment east c��the stut9y are�. T�is is very di�� t� be r�a�istic by
2(i3�anc��h�uld be in the study.
k�, �ccc�rd�r��tc�the �Elf�,these grr�p�sed changes are n�t iike�y t�ha�pes�,�`1�e�ity has nQt
fund�d th�rn. If they dc��'t v�r�at will tr�f�ic be�ike?T►���E��t r�esc�i��s tratt�c c�ac�s. r�u�
can cfty staff�apprctve a situation like ihis f�r a developer's benefi�t? C}nce ag�in,the c�ty
staff favors the develcrper and ignar�s the n�ec3s s�f the�+eople.
c. Mc►st c►f the heavy traffic€�r►5antiago Canyon between Ca�nnc�r�and lambor�e Road results
from An�heirn Nills residents usin� Cannan. Cn �ases where traffic signals �re not
functioning, firaf�ic backs up weiC beyond the Taft and�annc�t� inte�`s��tion.The [7EIR fails
tc�take�ntt��ccount th�traff►c impacts an Cannan c�n b�th sides c�#Santiaga Canyon Road.
d. The prc�posed solutic�ns tt�tt��acknov�rleelged futut`e iraffic situati�n�re ciur�sy and shc+rt-
sighted.
e. Many drivers w%!I exit SantiagQ Canyon Raad at Ora�rwge Park�ulevard car Meads�venue
tc� avaid the #raffic. T#�is wili piace an a�nneeded and unwarrted b�rden c�n thtrse streets
and the peaple whcs 3ive on them. Nas the County c�f prange PW[� be cc�nsulted� The
prange Park Assoc�ation is currently wc�rkirtg with the Count� c�f C�range PW[7 and th�
State Qf California tc� make t�e t�cauMevard anci Meacls �lvenue saf�r fcrr equ�striarrs and 49.5
drivers alike.This p�oject ct�u�d set t�ack alrrtc�st 5 years of pr�gress c�n the caunt�r's C�PA cont.
rc�ads.
f. �'he cc�rnbina�ticrn af�he prop�s�d EiidgeCine �roj�ct,t�re Salern (�utheran pre�ject a€�d t�e
Ria Santiagt� prc�jeet d�mands that a task force of City, Caur�t� and CaPA residents assess
the C�PA iraff�c situatron.�It�nger range traffic plan needs t€�be devel�ped t�efore any c�f
these projects are al4awed tca�ontinue.
g. Re:5.16.2�
i. Road�rays: Access tt� the site can easity be prt�vided frc�rr� Chap€r�an Avenue,
lambaree fioad and C�ra€�ge Park BQulevarcf. The t��IR ign�res these approaches
cctmpiete�y.
ii. 5antiaga� Canyon Rt�aci: The deseriptior► i�nores tt�e recently inst�lled street
median east af Meads/W�r�des.
h. Increasing the number €�f Lev�l o� Servic� {Lp�} E&� in�ersecti€�ns in the study area by
4Qt7%i�few�r than 4 years K�1C}WINCLY is�isrespectful of the cc�rnmunit}r's needs and is
po�r manag�ment.This cannot l�appen.
i. It's incomprehensible ta s�ae that by 2�}3�nQ mQr� intersecticrns wilf f�11 into the Lf�S E&F
categories as the DEIR suggests.
j. The study mentic�ns that no }�ubtic tran�portatic�n i� auaitable an S�ntiagc� Canyon Roa€�.
That`ss correct, although there a�e bu�turn-auts c+��he r�ad.Thre study suggests that will
rem�in the s�me in#he face of several hundred s�nic�r cit'rzens I}ving in the prc�ject.Seems
unrealistic plartning ta me.
8. Twsa more traffie signals an Santi�gt� Canyc�n F�c�ad a cc�uple af 1�E}Q feet apa�t? No way�!! TFrey
will never k�� synct�ra�t�aed anc� traffic v,rill back up. See tt�e ccamments abo�t Salem i.utheran
Schc�ol. Synchr�nizatian of the current traffic �i�hts wau�d serve the same �ur�c�se. I dan't recal!
se�ing a L4�5 for�cast far eith�r t�r both c�f thes� irrters�cti+�ns,
9. Ein� �f si�ht is adequate! Check�t�te recards of how many accidents ihat thece h�ve been near
Santia�ca C�r�yc�n ro�d and �Siek� Way ar Jamestcawn. Sever�i pecapfe k�ave been kiiled �r�d ��ny
have be�n iniured seriausly b�cause the line vf s±gl�t is ina�equate.
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3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 49
Date: June 29, 2013
Peter Jacklin
Response to Comment 49.1
The Commenter's statements related to rural lifestyle in Orange Park Acres, density of the proposed
project are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics, Subsection 2.2.2, Rural
Character/Community Character related to the community character/environment of the surrounding area
and the project site. Please note that the proposed project would have a significant unavoidable aesthetics
impact in Planning Area C (Impact AES-3). Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.10, Land Use and
Planning related to the project site zoning.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 49.2
The Commenter's statements related to OPA Plan and the lay-person to understand the acronym laden
comments are noted. Please refer to Section 2.5,Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.5.1, Conflict with
Applicable Plans, Policies, or Regulations, related to the proposed project and the OPA Plan. Regarding
the Commenter's statements related to understanding an "acronym laden" Draft EIR please refer to
Section 1.0, Introduction specifically Table 1-1, Draft EIR Terminology. Table 1-1, Draft EIR
Terminology, provides a list of the terminology used in the Draft EIR. To the maximum extent
practicable the City has tried to make this EIR understandable to the general citizens of the community.
The applicant has the right to propose changes to the City's General Plan, including the Orange Park
Acres Plan and East Orange General Plan. The applicant has a right to propose a Specific Plan for the
project area. Designating a Specific Plan far the project area would not constitute spot zoning due to the
size and area covered. The City has not made any predetermination on the project and the City did not
initiate the application requesting the project. This information does not change the analysis or
conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise any issues related to the adequacy of environmental
analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is noted and will be provided to the Planning
Commission and City Council for consideration. No further responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 49.3
The Commenter's statements related to increase in traffic and cumulative impacts are noted. Please refer
to Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic for further discussion of potential impacts to
transportation and traffic from project implementation on the project site and the surrounding area. Please
refer to Master Response Section 2.9, Cumulative Impacts related to projects including Salem Lutheran.
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This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 49.4
The Commenter's statements related to spot zoning are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section
2.5, Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.5.3, Physically Divide an Established Communiry, related to
spot zoning.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 49.5
The Commenter's statements related to traffic impacts are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section
2.8, Transportation and Tra�c for further discussion of potential impacts to transportation and traffic
from project implementation on the project site and the surrounding area.
The Commenter's statements related to the best of the Commenter's knowledge, the traffic load analysis
ignore the impacts of proposed Irvine Company housing development east of the study area are noted.
The Commenter's statements that it is very like to be realistic by 2030 and should be in the study are
noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Tra�c for further discussion of
potential impacts to transportation and traffic from project implementation on the project site and the
surrounding area. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.9, Cumulative Impacts related to projects
including the proposed Irvine Company housing in the East Orange area. This information does not
change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise any issues related to the
adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is noted and will be
provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further responses are
necessary.
The Commenter's opinions related to proposed changes that are not likely to happen are noted. The
Commenter's opinions related to City funding for improvements are noted. The Commenter's statements
related to traffic chaos without City funded improvements are noted. The Commenter's statements
related to City Staff approving a situation like this for a developer's benefit are noted. The Commenter's
opinions related to City Staff favoring the developer and ignoring the needs of the people are noted. This
information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise any
issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is noted
and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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The Commenter's opinions related to heavy traffic on East Santiago Canyon Road between Cannon Street
and Jamboree Road resulting from Anaheim Hills residents using Cannon Street are noted. The
Commenter's opinions related to traffic signals not functioning and traffic backing up are noted. The
Commenter's opinion that the Draft EIR fails to take into account the traffic impacts on Cannon Street on
both sides of East Santiago Canyon Road are incorrect. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.8,
Transportation and Tra�c for further discussion of potential impacts to transportation and traffic from
project implementation on the project site and the surrounding area.
The Commenter's opinions related to solutions to the future traffic situation being clumsy and
shortsighted are noted. This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR
because it does not raise any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the
Draft EIR. However, it is noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for
consideration. No further responses are necessary.
The Commenter's opinions that drivers will exit East Santiago Canyon Road at Orange Park Boulevard or
Meads Avenue to avoid the traffic are noted. The Commenter's opinion that this will place an unneeded
and unwanted burden on those streets and the people who live on them is noted. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic for further discussion of potential impacts to
transportation and traffic from project implementation on the project site and the surrounding area. This
information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise any
issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is noted
and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
The Commenter's statements related to the County of Orange PWD (Public Works Department) being
consulted are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.11, Public Participation Process that
outlines the overall public review process for the project. Additionally, please refer to Letter 3 and
responses thereto from the Orange County Public Works/Orange County Planning Services.
The Commenter's statement related to the Orange Park Association working with the County of Orange
PWD and the State of California to make the boulevard and Meads Avenue safer for equestrians and
drivers alike is noted. The Commenter's opinion that the proposed project could set back almost 5 years
of progress on the County's OPA roads is noted. This information does not change the analysis or
conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise any issues related to the adequacy of environmental
analysis conducted in the Draft EIR However, it is noted and will be provided to the Planning
Commission and City Council for consideration. No further responses are necessary.
The Commenter's opinion that to the combination of the proposed Ridgeline project, the Salem Lutheran
project and the Rio Santiago project demands that a task force of City, County and OPA residents assess
the OPA traffic situation is noted. The Commenter's opinion that to a longer range traffic plan needs to be
developed before any of these projects are allowed to continue is noted. Please refer to Master Response
Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic for further discussion of potential impacts to transportation and
traffic from project implementation on the project site and the surrounding area. Please refer to Master
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Response Section 2.9, Cumulative Impacts related to related projects including Salem Lutheran and the
Ridgeline Equestrian Estates projects. This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the
Draft EIR because it does not raise any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis
conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and
City Council for consideration. No further responses are necessary.
The Commenter's statements related to Section 5.16.2 of the Draft EIR, Roadways that access to the
project site can easily be provided from Chapman Avenue, Jamboree Road and Orange Park Boulevard
are ignored are noted. This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR
because it does not raise any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the
Draft EIR However, it is noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for
consideration. No further responses are necessary.
The Commenter's statement related to East Santiago Canyon Road: The description ignores the recently
installed street median east of Meads Avenue/Windes Avenue is incorrect. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Tra�c for further discussion of potential impacts to
transportation and traffic from project implementation on the project site and the surrounding area.
The Commenter's opinions related to increasing the number of Level of Service (LOS) E and F
intersections in the study area by 400% in fewer than 4 years being disrespectful of the community's
needs and is poor management are noted. This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of
the Draft EIR because it does not raise any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis
conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and
City Council for consideration. No further responses are necessary.
The Commenter's opinions related to 2030 intersections are noted. Please refer to Master Response
Section 2.8, Transportation and Tra�c for further discussion of potential impacts to transportation and
traffic from project implementation on the project site and the surrounding area.
The Commenter's opinions related to public transportation on Santiago Canyon Road are noted. Please
refer to Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic far further discussion of potential
impacts to transportation and traffic from project implementation on the project site and the surrounding
area.
The Commenter's opinions related to two traffic signals on East Santiago Canyon Road are noted. The
Commenter's opinions that the new traffic signals on East Santiago Canyon Road will never be
synchronized and traffic will back up are noted. The Commenter's opinions related to Salem Lutheran
School and traffic signal synchronization are noted. The Commenter's opinion that synchronization of
the current traffic lights would serve the same purpose is noted. This information does not change the
analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise any issues related to the adequacy of
environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is noted and will be provided to the
Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further responses are necessary.
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The Commenter's statements related to a LOS forecast for either or both of these intersections are noted.
Please refer to Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic for further discussion of potential
impacts to transportation and traffic from project implementation on the project site and the surrounding
area,which provides the requested information.
The Commenter's opinions related to the adequacy of lines-of-sight are noted. The Commenter's
statements related to a review of the accidents records on East Santiago Canyon Road,Nicky Way, and/or
Jamestown Way are noted. The Commenter's opinions related to several people having been killed and
injured because the line-of-sight is inadequate are noted. Please refer to Section 5.16, Transportation and
Traffic of the Draft EIR and Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic for further
discussion of potential impacts to transportation and traffic from project implementation on the project
site and the surrounding area. Specifically, the Section 5.16, Transportation and Traffic Threshold D
(TRA-D), Subsection, Sight Distance found that:
PDF TRA-1 through TRA-8, TRA-11, TRA-12, and TRA-15 implement the proposed project
design features to reduce or eliminate potential traffic hazards related to sight distance impacts.
The proposed project would establish two new signalized access points to East Santiago Canyon
Road,between Cannon Street and Orange Park Boulevard. East Santiago Canyon Road currently
has a horizontal curve and a painted (non-raised) median at the location of the two. A Stopping
Sight Distance analysis was conducted using the methodology from American Association of
State Highway and Transportation Officials [(AASHTO) (Exhibit 3-1 —Stopping Sight Distance,
Elements of Design, page 112)]. Based on the sight distance analysis, there is adequate sight
distance at both new intersections for vehicles entering and exiting both access points. Refer to
Appendix N, Traffic Impact Analysis for detailed information. At a minimum, within both lines
of sight, landscaping should be minimized(i.e., low-lying shrubs) and on-street parking should be
prohibited, to maintain adequate sight distance. With the provision of the minimum AASHTO
sight distances at the two new signalized intersections, bicyclists and pedestrians on Santiago
Canyon Road (especially ones travelling in the westbound directions) would be seen by drivers
attempting to turn in to, and out of, the project site at both signalized access locations. These
drivers would have adequate decision time to determine their maneuvers through the
intersection(s). Therefore, based on the information presented above and the PDF's a less than
significant impact would be anticipated and no mitigation would be required. (Page 5.16-66 of the
Draft EIR)
Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.12, Noise, specifically page 5.12-27 related to the proposed project
and siren noise.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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Response to Comment 49.6
The Commenter's statements related to noise impacts from traffic are noted. Please refer to Draft EIR
Section 5.12,Noise, related to Threshold NOI-A related to noise impacts from traffic.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 49.7
The Commenter's statements related to the horse crossing to the arena are noted. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.7, Recreation, Subsection 2.7.2, Trails related to trail connections and the proposed
proj ect.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 49.8
The Commenter's statements related to timing of improvements being completed and made available to
the public as the first step of the proposed project are noted. A combination of Mitigation Measures,
Project Design Features, and staff recommended conditions will be provided far City Council
consideration of timing for improvements, should they contemplate project approval.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 49.9
The Commenter's statements related to ambulances and paramedic vehicles are noted. Please refer to
Draft EIR Section 5.14, Public Services related to increase in fire load, which includes ambulances and
paramedic. Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.12, Noise, specifically page 5.12-27 related to the
proposed project and siren noise.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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Response to Comment 49.10
The Commenter's statements related to dam failure are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section
2.4, Hydrology, Subsection 2.4.4, Dam Failure related to the proposed project and the potential of dam
failure. The Draft EIR agreed with the commenters concerns that the proposed project would have the
potential to be in the path of inundation were a dam break to occur. The Draft EIR found that with the
inclusion of Mitigation Measures HWQ-1 and HWQ-2, the proposed project impact remains a significant
unavoidable impact related to being in the path of inundation were a dam break to occur.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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LETTER 50
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CREEKSIUE RANCH HUIVIEOWNERS AS5UCIATIOl�i(CRHOA}
5612 MDUNTAIN AVENUE
ORANGE, CA 9286?
June 28, 2013
Chad Ortlieb, Senior Planner
City of 4range- Planning Division
300 East Chapman Avenue
Orange, CA 92866
Subject: Environmental Impact Repart— Propased Rio Santiago Development
Dear Mr. Ortlieb,
This letters includes comments addressing the EIR and project proposa! curreMly
under review submitted by the organization proposing development of Rio Santiago
located in East Orange along Santiago Canyon Road. Comments are submitted
representing the Creekside Ranch Homeowner's Association located adjacent to
the propose development. Qur mailing address is 5612 E. Mountain Ave, Orange
CA 928fi7.
We have read the Environmenta! lmpact Study for the proposed development and
have the following quality of life concerns/comments: 50.1
� The primary and consistent concern from our association members is the
lighting of athletic fields along the northwest zone of the site. The project will
create a source of light and glare for the nearby properties, particularly the
homes in Creekside Ranch directly faang the proposed sports pa�lc area.
This new source of light and glare will adversely affect nighttime views. We
would like to see aggressive measures taken to mitigate this issue.
Specifcally, we suggest that the fields not be lighted and only be available
for daylight activities.
• Sorne members have expressed a concem that added traffic flow along
Santiago Canyon Road and Canon wil! add to trip times and that measures 50.2
are taken to address this increase and its impact on trave!times within the
region.
• The proposal also depicts a three story struct�re.This str�cture and
associated density do not sesm cansistent with the adjacent neighborhoods.
50.3
Respectfull bmitted on t�e !f of our association,
Seyed Jalali
President, Creekside Ranch Homeowners Association
3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 50
Date: June 28,2013
Seyed Jalali
Response to Comment 50.1
The Commenter's statements related to view, light, glare, and athletic fields are noted. They have been
reviewed by the City as requested. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics for further
discussion of potential impacts to aesthetic issues.
Related to long-term light and glare the Draft EIR found that in Planning Area B active recreational uses
such as ball fields/parks and other similar uses would potentially introduce new sources of light and glare.
This new source of light and glare will create a night hue in the area where no lights currently exist. The
Draft EIR found that the potential light and glare impacts (Impact AES-6) would be reduced with PDF
AES-7, the requirements of the Specific Plan, and Mitigation Measure AES-6, however, not to a less than
significant leveL Therefore, related to Planning Areas C and D new sources of substantial light or glare,
which would adversely affect day or nighttime views in the area, would be anticipated to occur. This is
an unavoidable impact of the proposed project. (Page 5.1-45 of the Draft EIR)
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 50.2
The Commenter's statements related to added traffic along Santiago Canyon Road and Canyon are noted.
Appendix N, Traffic Impact Analysis (TIA) for Rio Santiago analyzed, addressed, and mitigated (if
required)project traffic impacts along Santiago Canyon Road and Cannon Street.
This information does not change the analysis ar conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 50.3
The Commenter's statements related to three-story structure and the density associated are noted.
Related to Planning Areas B, C, and D, the Draft EIR found that the development in these areas may be
perceived as substantially degrading scenic views to and of the project site. Therefore, an unavoidable
long-term visual impact would occur (Page 51-31 of the Draft EIR). This long-term unavoidable visual
impact includes views of distant ridgelines. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics,
Subsection 2.2.5,Structure Height, related the proposed project three-story element.
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This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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LETTER 51
Jakki Tonkovich
�rom: Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb@cityoforange.org>
oent: Monday,July O1, 2013 11:49 AM
To: Megan Penn;Jakki Tonkovich; Fred Talarico;Jackie Bateman
Cc: Leslie Roseberry
Subject: FW: Re-Zoning of Sully Miller
FYI...
From: Tom Traynor [mailto:ttr�norC�maximflexpac.com]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:36 AM
To: Chad Ortlieb
Subject: Re-Zoning of Sully Miller
Hello Chad:
Pm contacting you simply to express my concern with and objection to the above noted. Change to Orange's
long-standing community plans, that were put in place specifically to make and keep this community great for 51.1
it's tax paying residents, simply to line the pockets of a developer(s) that seek to profit immensely by trampling
those plans and the wishes of the community is fundamentally wrong.
I drive my kids to or from school every down Santiago Canyon/Katella each day and the traffic on it now is
heavy and anyone that uses that stretch of road will know this. If the proposed development is allowed to
�appen, I hope someone has plans to put a toll road in because traffic will be a mess and I don't care what spin
anyone with interests put on it. This is just one concern... the fact this thing is even on the table is disturbing, 51.2
but given the culture of litigation and corruption in this country nothing surprises me anymore.
People are fed up with the exploitation, and it's my sincere hope that our elected officials in Orange take care of
our community in a manner that best suits us and not those wishing to encroach on it for profit. Where this goes
will be telling... one way or the other.
Thank you,
Tom
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LETTER 51
Date: June 28,2013
Tom Traynor
Response to Comment 51.1
The Commenter's statements related to objecting to the proposed project and the existing plans are noted.
Please refer to Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.5.1, Conflict with Applicable Plans,
Policies, or Regulations, related to the proposed project and the existing area plans.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 51.2
The Commenter's statements related to the increase in traffic from the proposed project are noted.
Please refer to Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic related to the proposed project
traffic improvements and impacts.
This information does not change the analysis ar conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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Mr. Chad Ortlieb
Sr. Planner
City of Orange, Planning Division
300 E. Chapman Avenue
Orange, CA 92866
Subject: Draft Environment Impact Report for the proposed Rio Santiago Development
(RSD)
The following are both questions and comments regarding this matter.
1. Much, if not all, of this 110 Ac is presently under existing specific planning guides -
Orange Park Acres Specific Plan, 1973 - East Orange Community Plan, 1975 -
Santiago Creek Greenbelt Plan, 1971 - Santiago Creek Improvement Plan, 1976. Why
are these plans not binding in the use(s) of the subject property? 40.3 Ac covered by
the East Orange Community Plan is designated as "regional park". This project would 52.1
remove this designation, thereby squelching this potential land use, yet the DEIR states
that the propose development "eliminates potential conflicts with any applicable land
use plan, policy . . ." The proposal is in direct conflict with existing plans. The conclusion
of the DEIR seems to put the cart in back of and in front of the horse simultaneously.
2. Is planning area A within the flood plain and can it be developed in any way? Who will
be the eventual owner of this property and what are the estimated annual maintenance
and operations costs under the proposed RSD plan? The General Plan changes and
zoning entitlements should not be granted until the citizens of the eventual owing 52.2
agency/authority/whatever is known and the responsibility costs are recognized and
accepted.
3. The proposed senior living enterprise adjacent to pay-for-play active recreation does
not seem to be "compatible uses." Noise and light pollution conflicts seem inevitable
between these land uses resulting in abnormally high complaints to the city and 52.3
additional calls for service. Since there are in the immediate vicinity no hospitals,
infirmaries, clustered medical offices or pharmacies, it would seem that this location is
not suitable for senior housing to begin with.
4. From an operational standpoint, senior housing functions less as residential land use
and more as a commercial land use. A number of support services and their employees
typically have access to the property on a (or near a) 24/7 basis, including food 52.4
preparation, industrial waste removal, nursing services, laundry services, and more.
Was the operational context, not just the proposed physical structures, taken into
account when developing the DEIR and how is this not in conflict with Goal 1.6 of the
City's GP?
5. Although the DEIR separates the property into distinct planning areas, when it comes
to density calculations it appears that the property was treated as a single piece. When
examining planning areas C and D alone, the proposed density is not (as the DEIR
states) compatible with surrounding developments, but substantially higher. I believe 52 �
lots in the Reserve, Jamestown and Mabury Ranch range from 8,500 to 10,000 sq.ft.
The proposed average for planning areas C and D would equate to roughly 4,000 sq.ft.
How is this seen as compatible in light of the city's planning goal . . . "preservation of
community character while encouraging and accommodating new development", ie:
Goal 1.2 of the City's GP?
6. The proposed development plan includes three-story structures which are not
compatible with the surrounding neighborhoods and although the DEIR recognized that 52.6
the loss of view shed is a non-mitigated impact, why was a restriction to two-stories not
considered? How can this be seen as "preservation of community character"?
7. What are the precise height of the proposed standards and lights for the ball fields?
What are the lumens to foot of the light cast and what will be the effect on existing
housing in Jamestown, the Colony and Mabury Ranch? Despite the conclusions of the 52 �
DEIR that there is potential for light and glare impacts, it would seem they would be
evident, the exact extent unknown because the developer has not stated the exact
height of light standards, lumens and operational hours regarding areas C and D.
8. It appears that the traffic analysis for this proposal was preformed in isolation and did
not consider the cumulative impacts. This is inadequate. The Irvine Company has
zoning entitlements to construct approximately 4,000 units to the east and south of this
proposed project and much of the resultant 40,000 trips per day would be on Santiago
Canyon Road. At several times of weekdays the Santiago Canyon/Cannon (SC/C)
intersection is severely impacted under existing conditions (this partly due to the backup
at Cannon/Taft and Cannon/Serrano that feeds into SCB/C and currently causes two 52.$
plus signal change delays). Addition of Irvine Co. housing will cause worse delays in all
directions at four times per day or more. Although SCB can be expanded to six lanes,
(a) 3'/z years is a long time to wait for mitigation improvements that may provide some
traffic congestion relief, and (b) the westerly flow will come to Villa Park Rd. and be
stemmed into four lanes causing the congestion at a different point which is not true
relief. What guarantee is there that the future traffic improvements will be implemented?
Why aren't these improvements implemented prior to issuance of construction permits?
9. Is it typical for the land-owner to be allowed to alter the terrain, soils, drainage, etc of
the subject property during the environmental assessment and study period (whether an 52.g
on-going sand and gravel operation exists or not)?
10. Post construction of the proposed project there will be five signalized intersections
along SCB within a 1.5 mile length. The resultant stop-and-acceleration will slow traffic 52
flow, add to air pollution and add to noise pollution. This will not be compatible with
existing community character.
11. Stating that the construction impact of 4.4 years is short-term may be appropriate
from the developer's point of view, doubtful that many adjacent resident would concur. 52.11
12. Since scenic vistas over and beyond the project site currently exist, what are the
criteria for establishing "officially designated scenic vistas?" 52.12
13. Within the NCCP/HCP what are the criteria for establishing "reserve assembly" or
"wildlife corridors?" The DEIR seems to discount the corridor nexus between Santiago
Oaks Regional Park, Irvine Regional Park and the Cleveland NF. Due to existing
corridors, these are areas are "large open space areas in the immediate vicinity" of the
project site. Some of the wildlife mentioned in the DEIR don't "likely move through the 52.13
proposed project" site, they do. Existing residents adjacent to the site have observed
them at all times of the year, at all or close to all times of the day. Some are obviously
denning on the property as they have been seen carrying kill from other areas onto the
property. Not presently, but in the recent past both white-tailed kites and red-shoulder
hawks have been seen nesting on the property. The DEIR should be more precise so
better informed decisions can be made.
14. How were 100 feet and 300 feet levels of clearance during construction determined 52.14
for various interruptions of species activities?
15. The DEIR states . . . "proposed project is inconsistent with exiting City General Plan
land use designations for the project site, it would be in substantial compliance with the
Land Use Element and Policies after the proposed General Plan Amendment." The
conclusion seems to be, approve the GPA and there is no project impact, no conflict 52.15
and therefore no mitigation measures necessary. Of course there is impact to and
conflict with the existing land use designations. But if implement the amendment and
change the goals and policies to suit the proposed development, then there is no
conflict. This seems to be a "eat your cake, but still have it too" scenario.
16. Under the proposed operation, will the pay-to-play facilities be "common open
space?" 52.16
17. Regarding Goal 3 of the City's GP
-3.1 won't the increased costs for city services (especially if the City is the
ultimate owner of Area A) far out-pace the one-time and annual revenues created?
-3.3 as noted in the DEIR vehicular flows and traffic densities will be increased as 52.17
a result of the proposed project
-3.4 the increased noise and light pollution will destroy or alter the viewscape as
well as jeopardize the wildlife population
18. The proposed project will have contrary impacts regarding Goal 6 of the City's GP
-6.4 vistas destroyed or negatively impacted 52.18
-6.9 increased exposure to flood damage
-6.10 adverse air and noise pollution not mitigated, traffic is mitigated but end
result is still a worse situation than existing
-6.11 the propose property is undeveloped except for 10+/- Ac of the sand and
gravel operation, hence the proposed development skews the value of natural
resources
19. Under the visual and aesthetic resources section of the DEIR, why doesn't 7.1 52.19
apply?
20. Regarding the noise study, the test period in June of 2009 may not be relevant to
this proposed project in that the present sand and gravel operation was substantially
more casual during that period. How is the conclusion reached that ". . . no significant
noise sources currently impact the project site. . ." when the September 2011 test 52.20
measured sound levels at 67.4 dBA which exceeds the City's standard of 65.0 dBA? It
appears that the study concludes that noise standards are presently exceeded and will
be exceeded due to the proposed project (expectation of 68.0 dBA), therefore no
mitigation is required. Wouldn't a more logical conclusion be that noise standards
should not be exceeded and enforced when they are?
21. The noise testing of 2011 was performed using receivers that were located in a way
that measured noise at a different grade level than the noise that will be created at later
phases of the development process and different from that which will emanate from the 52.21
project after completion. Was this taken into account when drawing impact conclusions?
Was topography considered when drawing these conclusions since there is a canyon
like affect that augments the carriage of sound presently? Why doesn't policy 1.2 apply
to this proposal?
22. Presently as a neighborhood courtesy, OCFA station 23 call responses often run
with sirens off until they are a half-mile or so from the project site, this, to help mitigate
noise to the surrounding residential areas. With the addition of two proposed traffic 52'22
signals on SCB this is thought be impractical. Was this future noise impact taken into
account in the DEIR? Was the likelihood that senior housing will create more
emergency vehicle runs per capita or per residence taken into account in the DEIR?
23. The study concludes that there will be "significanY' interior noise impact upon
existing neighborhoods adjacent to the project site (also existing), yet no mitigation is
proposed or required. Why? Also, did the study take into account the cumulative 52.23
impacts of noise, additional housing, senior housing enterprise, traffic and ballfields and
playcourts in operation together?
24. The no project alternative indicates an expanded sand and gravel operation, yet
expansion would require an extended/expanded CUP which may or may not be granted
(noise, buffer, etc requirements aren't in existence or being enforced now so community 52•`'"
resistance may be evident should such a CUP be requested). Therefore, wouldn't the
logical no project alternative be what is on site now with the sand and gravel operation
limited to between 5 and 10 Ac?
25. If the zoning is granted that qualifies senior housing use and in the future a
commercial senior housing operator can't be found or a senior housing operation is 52.25
found to be economically infeasible, what protections are there that the area C won't be
converted to apartments?
26. Assuming that an economic impact analysis can be (but not required to be) part of a
draft environmental impact analysis, why wasn't an EIA performed on this proposed 52.26
project? There will be an impact not only to the City but also to surrounding properties.
3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 52
Rin Rithschild
Response to Comment 52.1
The Commenter's statements related to objecting to the proposed project and the existing plans are noted.
Please refer to Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.5.1, Conflict with Applicable Plans,
Policies, or Regulations, related to the proposed project and the existing area plans. The applicant has the
right to propose changes to the City's General Plan, including the Orange Park Acres Plan and East
Orange General Plan. The applicant has a right to propose a Specific Plan for the project area. The City
has not made any predetermination on the project and the City did not initiate the application requesting
the project.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.2
The Commenter's statements related to Planning Area A being in the flood plain, if it could be developed
and who would own Planning Area are noted. Per the Specific Plan, permitted uses in Planning Area A
are: Flood control improvements, multi-use trail(s), natural open space, and passive park uses. These are
not conditionally permitted uses. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.4, Hydrology, Subsection
2.4.4,Dam Failure related to the proposed project and the potential of dam failure. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.6, Open Space, Subsection 2.6.2, Future Ownership Planning Area A related to the
future ownership of Planning Area A. The Commenter's questions related to the estimated annual
maintenance and operations costs under the proposed project plan are not CEQA related issues; therefore,
they are not discussed further in this document. Please refer to Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning,
Subsection 2.5.1, Conflict with Applicable Plans, Policies, or Regulations, related to the proposed project
and City General Plan issues.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.3
The Commenter's statements related to noise and light pollution are noted. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics, Subsection 2.2.3, Light and Glare, related to the proposed project's
impacts on light and glare and the surrounding community. Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.12,Noise
related to noise impacts from the proposed project including from calls from Planning Area C.
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The Commenter's statements related to commercial and medical facilities in the vicinity of the project site
are noted. However, the location of commercial and medical services and facilities related to the
proposed project is not a CEQA issue. For information only, it can be noted that the nearest commercial
center(i.e., shopping opportunity) is located 2.5 miles from the project site. The nearest medical services
(i.e., emergency walk-in) are located 5 miles from the project site. Major medical services are provided
in the City at St. Joseph's Hospital and CHOC Children's Hospital (7 miles from the project site).
Please refer to Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16,
Transportation and Traffic, related to public transportation in the vicinity of the proposed project.
Additionally, please refer to Section 5.14, Public Services of the Draft EIR related to the existing fire,
emergency medical, police services, schools, parks, and other public facilities and potential effects from
the proposed project implementation on these services. This section also identifies mitigation measures to
reduce any potentially significant impacts and describes the residual impact, if any, after imposition of the
mitigation.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.4
The Commenter's opinion that age-restricted housing is a commercial land use is noted. The City
considers the uses proposed in Planning Area C as allowed uses in higher density residential districts
subject to approval of a discretionary permit (as the project is subject to). From a CEQA context, the
DEIR analyzed the proposed assisted and independent living components of the project against the
environmental thresholds required by statute.
The Commenter's statements related to Goal 1.6 of the City General Plan are noted. Please refer to Draft
EIR Section 5.10, Land Use and Planning, Table 5.10-2, Project Consistency with the City of Orange
General Plan for the proposed project consistency with the City's General Plan and the proposed project.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.5
The Commenter's statements related to Goal 1.2 of the City General Plan are noted. Please refer to
Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning for detailed information related to density of the
surrounding residential community. Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.10, Land Use and Planning,
Table 5.10-2, Project Consistency with the Ciry of Orange General Plan for the proposed project
consistency with the City's General Plan and the proposed project.
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City of Orange, General Plan Land Use Diversity and Balanced Development, Goal 1.0, Policy 1.2 states:
"Balance economic gains fi�om new development while preserving the character and densities of
residential neighborhoods." The proposed project meets this goal as stated on page 5.10-18 of the Draft
EIR:
The proposed project includes a backbone infrastructure system that is designed to meet the needs
of the development within Rio Santiago. The proposed project also ensures that adequate public
services will be available to the Rio Santiago residents (Policies 1.1 and 1.2). Employment in the
age-qualified living community would be for management, services and amenities directly related
to age-qualified housing, while open space/recreation areas would provide further employment
opportunities within the multi-purpose community facility that may include an Autism Center and
education facility (Policies 11 and 1.2).
Please refer to Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics for further discussion of community character.
Please note that the proposed project has a significant unavoidable impact related to aesthetics. This
information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise any
issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is noted
and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.6
The Commenter's statements related to project 3-story element and community character are noted.
Please refer to Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics, Subsection 2.2.5, Structure Height, related the
proposed project three-story element. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics for further
discussion of community character. Please note that the proposed project has a significant unavoidable
impact related to aesthetics.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.7
The Commenter's statements related to lighting of the ball fields are noted. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.2,Aesthetics far further discussion of potential impacts to aesthetic issues.
Related to long-term light and glare the Draft EIR found that in Planning Area B active recreational uses
such as ball fields/parks and other similar uses would potentially introduce new sources of light and glare.
This new source of light and glare will create a night hue in the area where no lights currently exist. The
Draft EIR found that the potential light and glare impacts (Impact AES-6) would be reduced with PDF
AES-7, the requirements of the Specific Plan, and Mitigation Measure AES-6, however not to a less than
significant level. Therefore, related to Planning Area C and D new sources of substantial light or glare,
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which would adversely affect day or nighttime views in the area, would be anticipated to occur. This is
an unavoidable impact of the proposed project(Page 5.1-45 of the Draft EIR).
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.8
The Commenter's statements related to traffic and cumulative traffic impacts are noted. Please refer to
Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic for further discussion of potential impacts to
transportation and traffic from project implementation on the project site and the surrounding area.
Appendix N, Traffic Impact Analysis (TIA) for Rio Santiago analyzed, addressed, and mitigated (if
required)project traffic impacts along a comprehensive study area that includes transportation facilities in
the Cities of Orange and Villa Park, and Caltrans facilities. Table J on page 35 of TIA lists all of the
cumulative projects that were assumed in the Opening Year 2017 traffic analyses,while the General Plan
2030 analysis was based on the build-out of all land uses within the modeled area. Pages 47 to 49 of the
TIA discuss the 2030 traffic model assumptions used in the TIA.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.9
The Commenter's statements related to altering the terrain, soils, drainage during the environmental
assessment period are noted. To restore previously mined portions of the site, a portion of the project site
is presently being backfilled as a permitted land use. The existing backfill operation is not a permanent
use. The project site is presently being backfilled in sequentially defined phases. Figure 3-6, Backfill
Operation, provides the location of the backf'ill operation. The project site is being over excavated (i.e.,
removal of unsuitable materials) and filled in the present backfill operation. The applicant has indicated
that additional grading permit(s) will be requested from the City to complete backfilling of all previously
mined portions of the project site. As previously noted, the project site was used from 1919 to 1995 for
surface mining of sand, gravel, and other aggregates. Previously mined portions of the project site were
used for residue silt deposition, otherwise known as silt ponds. The backfilling operation addresses both
mined and silt pond areas.
In March 2011, the City issued Grading Permit#2047 related to the backfill operation. Table 17.32.020,
Sand and Gravel District Use Regulations, of the Orange Municipal Code indicates that backfilling is a
permitted use (P) in the S-G (Sand and Gravel) District. Additionally, in accordance with Section 3.1,
Grading Permit Exceptions, of the City Grading Manuel backfilling is a permitted use. Grading is a
ministerial (not discretionary) action as defined by the CEQA Guidelines and the Ciry of Orange Local
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CEQA Guidelines (page 5 — 6). Per Public Resources Code Section 21080(b)(1), CEQA does not apply
to ministerial actions, therefore, no CEQA environmental review was conducted for the permitted and
existing ministerial approved grading.
The limits of activity established by Grading Permit #2047 are depicted on Figure 3-6, Backfill
Operation. The backfill operation will restore those portions of the project site within the limits of activity
to the elevations approved by Grading Permit #2047. Approved Grading Permit #2047 provides that
2,000 cubic yards of material will be cut in addition to the over excavation. A total of 223,000 cubic
yards of material will be imported to the site. The imported materials include concrete, asphalt,rock, and
soil. The imported materials will be crushed on-site. A total of 225,000 cubic yards of material, both cut
and fill, will be blended during this approved backfilling operation. Please refer to Master Response
Section 23, Hazards and Hazardous Materials, Table 2.3-1, Summary of Materials Recycling and
Bac�ll Operation for specifics of the materials recycling and backfilling operation as of December 2013
(the time of this printing).
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.10
The Commenter's statements related to stop and acceleration will slow traffic flow, add to air pollution
and noise pollution and not be compatible with the existing community character are noted. Please refer
to Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics, Subsection 2.2.2, Rural Character/Community Character
related to the community character/environment of the surrounding area and the project site. Please refer
to Draft EIR Section 5.3, Air Quality related to the proposed project and air quality. Please refer to
Master Response Section 2.8, TranspoYtation and Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and
Traffic, related to increase in traffic. Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.12,Noise related to the proposed
project and noise. The air quality and noise studies were developed with the proposed circulation system
that includes the addition of two new signals on East Santiago Canyon Road. Additionally, each study
included consideration of anticipated traffic flow considerations as they might apply to air quality and
noise. This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not
raise any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However,
it is noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No
further responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.11
The Commenter's statements related to the construction impact of 4.4 years being construction-term from
a developer standpoint but not from adjacent residents' standpoint is noted. Please refer to Section 5.3,
Air Quality and Section 5.12,Noise of the Draft EIR. These sections provide a comprehensive analysis of
construction-related project specific and cumulative impacts related to air quality and noise. Please refer
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to Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics, Subsection 2.2.2, Rural Character/Communiry Character
related to the community character/environment of the surrounding area and the project site.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.12
The Commenter's statements related to scenic vistas are noted. As stated on page 5.10-4 Scenic Vistas:
The City's General Plan EIR defines a scenic vista as a viewpoint that provides expansive views
of a highly valued landscape for the benefit of the general public (page 5.1-1). Portions of
Orange are characterized by scenic vistas including undeveloped hillsides, ridgelines, and open
space area that provide a unifying visual backdrop to the urban environment. Officially-
designated scenic vistas do not occur on the project site.
Please refer to Master Response Section 2.2,Aesthetics related to the proposed project and scenic vistas.
Please note that this long-term unavoidable visual impact includes views of distant ridgelines. Please
refer to Master Response Section 2.5,Land Use and Planning related to the proposed project and General
Plan Goal and Policies consistency. Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.10,Land Use and Planning Table
5.10-2, Project Consistency with the City of Orange General Plan related to the proposed project and the
goals, objectives, and/or polices of the City's General Plan. This information does not change the
analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise any issues related to the adequacy of
environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is noted and will be provided to the
Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.13
The Commenter's statements related to NCCP/HCP criteria far establishing "reserve assembly" or
wildlife corridors are noted. Please note, the process to create a reserve system in the NCCP/HCP
includes a number of discrete steps: resource inventory, consideration of alternative reserve design
strategies, formulation of a preliminary reserve concept, preparation of a "Proposed" Reserve design and
formulation of a final reserve design that reflected comments and modifications generated during the
public review and hearings on the Draft NCCP/HCP, Joint EIR/EIS and Implementation Agreement. The
Reserve design provides the basis for preparation of the Draft NCCP/HCP, including the adaptive
management plan, assessment of conformity with NCCP Planning Guidelines and FESA Section 10 (a)
standards, and evaluation of reserve habitats as equivalents of critical habitat. A Final NCCP/HCP
includes amendments/modifications to the Draft NCCP/HCP that would be adopted by the City and/or
County, CDFG and USFWS following completion of the public review process. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.12, Biological Resources and Response to Comment 2 L 12 related to the proposed
project and biological resources.
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The Commenter's opinions related to the quality of the biological resource assessment of project impacts
are noted. The Commenter's opinion is not based on any factual evidence presented in the comment or
elsewhere. Please note that the Section 5.4, Biological Resources of the Draft EIR is based on the
following sources that were used in consideration and discussion of the potential environmental impacts:
• Biological Resources Assessment Rio Santiago, City of Orange, prepared by PCR Services
Corporation, January 2013, as provided in Technical Appendix C, Biological Resource
Assessment to this Draft EIR.
� Investigation of Jurisdiction Delineation Rio Santiago, City of Orange,prepared by PCR Services
Corporation, January 2013, as provided in Technical Appendix D, Verification of Jurisdictional
Delineation to this Draft EIR.
• Tree Survey Report Rio Santiago, City of Orange, prepared by PCR Services Corporation,
January 2013, as provided in Technical Appendix E, Tree Inventory Report to this Draft EIR.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.14
The Commenter's questions as to how 100 feet and 300 feet levels of clearance during construction
determined for various interruptions of species activities are noted. The distances were based on
recommendations of PCR Services Corporation Staff biologists. Please refer to Master Response Section
2.12,Biological Resources for detailed information regarding clearance during construction.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.15
The Commenter's opinions related to consistency with the City General Plan and related to general plan
amendments are noted. Please refer to Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.5.1, Conflict
with Applicable Plans, Policies, or Regulations, related to the proposed project and City General Plan
issues.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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Response to Comment 52.16
The Commenter's inquiry related to if pay-to-play facilities are "common open space" is noted. This
question does not raise a CEQA related issue. However, it should be noted that, if the Commenter's
referenced facilities are those to be potentially located in Planning Area B; all of Planning Area B would
be designated OS-P(Open Space-Park). This would include both structures (i.e.,YMCA,Autism Center,
bleachers,restrooms, etc.)and out-door areas(i.e.,play fields,park, and opens space areas.)
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.17
The Commenter's statements related to Goal 3.0 of the City General Plan are noted. The Commenter's
opinions related to increase costs for City services are noted. The City Staff has recommended that the
donation of Planning Area A should not be accepted by the City. It is the opinion of City Staff that the
acceptance of this area would be a financial burden on the City; therefore, inconsistent with the goals of
the City. The City may or may not accept the recommendations of their Staf£ The cost of services in not
a CEQA issue. Please note that the Commenter was not specific about which Goal 3.0 of the General
Plan they were referencing. However, based on review it appears the Commenter is referring Vibrant
Commercial District Goal 3.0. Please note that the proposed project is not a commercial project. Please
refer to Draft EIR Section 5.10, Land Use and Planning Table 5.10-2, Project Consistency with the City
of Orange General Plan related to the proposed project and consistency with the City's General Plan
Goals and Policies.
However, the provision of such services is an issue and has been addressed in the Draft EIR. Please refer
to Section 5.14, Public Services of the Draft EIR related to existing fire, emergency medical, police
services, schools, parks, and other public facilities and potential effects from the proposed project
implementation on these services. This section also identifies mitigation measures to reduce any
potentially significant impacts and describes the residual impact, if any, after imposition of the mitigation.
The Draft EIR made the following findings related to the provision of public services.
Fire Protection
The proposed project would have the potential to result in a short-term significant impact related to the
provision of fire protection and emergency medical services by the City Fire Department during
construction-related activities. With the inclusion of PDF PS-1, the proposed project would have a less
than significant impact and no mitigation measures would be required.
The proposed project would have the potential to increase the demand for fire protection services to the
project site beyond the existing conditions. With the inclusion of PDF PS-1, PDF PS-2, and PDF PS-3 the
proposed project would have a less than significant impact and no mitigation measures would be required.
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Police Profection
The proposed project would have less than significant impacts related to the provision of police protection
by the City Police Department during construction-related activities. The proposed project would have
less than significant impacts related to increase the demand for police protection services to the project
site beyond the existing conditions. (Page 5.14-18 of the Draft EIR)
Schoo/s
The proposed project would have a less than significant impact to schools and school facilities with the
payment of the required school fees in accordance with the provisions of the State law, and no mitigation
measures would be required. (Page 5.14-19 of the Draft EIR)
Parks
The proposed project would have a less than significant impact related to the need for new or physically
altered government facilities related to parks and no mitigation measures would be required. (Page 5.14-
20 of the Draft EIR)
Other Facilities
The proposed project would have a less than significant impact by paying applicable development fees to
off-set any increase demand to public facilities, such as libraries and City Hall and no mitigation
measures would be required. (Page 5.14-21 of the Draft EIR)
The Commenter's statements related to vehicular traffic flows and traffic densities are noted. Please refer
to Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Tra�c related to the proposed project traffic
improvements and impacts.
It is further the opinion of the Commenter that all of the above mentioned fees are one (1) time fees and
that annual costs would exceed revenues to the City. City development fees are established to bring new
development into the City and establish it at the basis of existing development. The cost of future
services to the proposed project once fees are paid is on equal bases with existing uses in the City.
Therefore,no long-term costs beyond that of existing development would be anticipated.
The Commenter's statements related to noise and light pollution and wildlife protection are noted. Please
refer to Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics, Subsection 2.2.3, Light and Glare, related to the
proposed projects impacts on light and glare and the surrounding community. Please refer to Section 5.4,
Biological Resources of the Draft EIR related to wildlife protection. Additionally, please refer to
Response to Comment 52.13 and Response to Comment 52.14 above.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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Response to Comment 52.18
The Commenter's statements related to Goal 6.0 of the City General Plan are noted. The Commenter's
opinion related to vistas is noted. Please refer to Response to Comment 52.12 above. The Commenter's
opinion related to flood damage is noted. Please refer to Response to Comment 52.2 above.
The Commenter's opinion related to air pollution is noted. Please refer to Response to Comment 52.10
above. The Commenter's opinion related to noise pollution is noted. Please refer to Response to
Comment 52.10 above. Please note that the Draft EIR Section 5.12,Noise found that the project would
have less than significant impacts related to noise. Please refer to Draft EIR Sections 3.0, Project
Description and 5.12, Noise related to the Project Design Features (PDFs) and Mitigation Measures that
include such things as sound walls, limit on outdoor activities, landscape setbacks,and traffic controls.
The Commenter's opinion related to traffic is noted. Please note that the proposed project has significant
unavoidable impacts related to transportation and traffic. Please refer to Response to Comment 52.2,
52.3, and 52.8 above. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning and Draft
EIR Section 5.10, Land Use and Planning related to the proposed project and General Plan consistency.
Specifically, the Draft EIR states on page 5.10-24 the following consistency with Goal 6 of the City's
General Plan and as clarified on Draft EIR page 5.10-24:
Goal 6.0: Advance development activity that is mutually bene�cial to both the environment
and the community.
Policy 6.1: Ensure that new development The proposed project includes architectural and
is compatible with the sryle landscape design guidelines (refer to Chapter 4) to
and design of established give greater assurance that the project will be
structures and the surrounding developed as a high quality, distinctive community
environment. that not only enhances the visual quality of the site,
but also blends with the existing architectural styles
Policy 6.2: In areas where residential uses and landscape character found in the surrounding
abut commercial or industrial neighborhoods (Policy 6.1). An integrated network
land uses, use buffering of trails is planned throughout the proposed project
techniques to improve area to provide internal connectivity and a safe
compatibility. Such techniques environment for pedestrian, bicycle and equestrian
include the use of setbacks, �avel (Policy 6.3). The proposed pedestrian and
screening, soundwalls with bikeway circulation system also provides potential
pedestrian access, and connections to existing trails in the surrounding areas
appearance standards. (Policy 6.6). The project retains the Santiago Creek
in its existing condition as natural open space,
Policy 6.3: Establish and maintain
greenway and wildlife corridar to preserve the
greenways, and pedestrian and
Creek's riparian habitat (Policies 6.4 and 6.7). The
bicycle connections that
proposed project may not be consistent with certain
complement the residential,
portions of this specific policy. However because
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commercial and open space Santiago Creek is being retained in its existing
areas they connect. condition, the possible inconsistency does not rise to
the level of a significant impact. Therefore, the
Policy 6.4: Create and maintain open project is consistent with the overall City General
space resources that provide plan.
recreational opportunities,
protect hillside vistas and Landscape parkways will be provided along streets
ridgelines, and conserve in the Specific Plan area to enhance the site's visual
natural resources. quality, facilitate pedestrian ease of use and
maximize environmental benefits. (Policy 6.8) Site
Policy 6.5: Reduce pollutant runoff from development measures that reduce impacts of storm
new development and urban �,�,ater and urban runoff generated from the project
runoff to the maximum extent include structural and non-structural best
practicable. management practices (BMPs) and low impact
development (LID) strategies for post-construction
Policy 6.6: Enhance the walkability of
water quality protection, as described Section 5.9,
both new and current
development.
Hydrology and Water Quality (Policy 6.5). The
proposed project includes design features to
Policy 6.7: Integrate natural amenities and minimize adverse air, noise, circulation and other
connections, including environmental impacts to surrounding areas, such as
waterways and wildlife providing trails on-site to encourage walking and
corridors, within the design of biking and reduce automobile trips; using sound
urban and suburban spaces. walls for sound attenuation on a limited basis,
primarily along Santiago Canyon Road;
Policy 6.8: Maximize landscaping along incorporating traffic calming devices, where
streetscapes and within appropriate, within the project area to reduce traffic
development projects to speeds, such as neck-downs at intersections and
enhance public health and other key locations, enhanced paving at pedestrian
environmental benefits. cross-walks, raised pedestrian crosswalks, short or
curved street segments and cul-de-sacs where
Policy 6.9: Restrict development in areas applicable, and other similar design solutions (Policy
where exposure to hazards 6.10). The project will implement the appropriate
such as flood, erosion, mitigation measures related to hydrology/water
liquefaction, dam failure, quality, natural hazards, hazard materials, air, noise,
hazardous materials, and toxic traffic, biological resources, cultural resources and
gases cannot be mitigated to other environmental factors contained in the Draft
reduce risk to residents and EIR (Policies 6.9, 6.10 and 6.11). The proposed
liability to the City. project has been designed to locate development
Policy 6.10: Mitigate adverse air, noise, away from Santiago Creek. Additionally, buried rip-
circulation, and other rap along the south bank of Santiago Creek will
environmental impacts caused Protect the habitable structures located in Planning
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by new development adjacent Area's C and D. Emergency response resulting from
to existing neighborhoods dam inundation flooding would be provided by both
through use of sound walls, City and/or County of Orange emergency personnel.
landscaping buffers, speed In addition, an Emergency Evacuation Plan would be
limits, and other traffic control in place on-site for the age-qualified community.
measures. This plan would be provided by the developer of
Planning Area C, which will include such items as
Policy 6.1 l: Recognize the value of natural emergency management team structure, response
and cultural resources in the protocols, media program, and local authority
undeveloped portions of the coordination protocols. It is the policy of the City to
planning area. restrict development not to prohibit development in
dam failure hazard areas (Policy 6.9). Additionally,
Policy 6.12: Maximize the land use
insurance coverage for the peril of flood due to dam
opportunities for the Irvine
inundation exposure from a future breach in the dam
Lake area by providing a mix
located upstream would be available for purchase by
of uses, such as lodging,
the homeowners' of Planning Area D (Policy 6.9).
housing, and recreational uses.
Please refer to Section 5.9, Hydrology and Water
Quality, Threshold HWQ-I, for additional
information related to dam failure and the proposed
project's significant unavoidable impact. Policies
6.2 and 6.12 do not apply to the project because the
project site does not abut commercial or industrial
uses, and is not within the Irvine Lake area.
The Commenter's opinion related to the property being undeveloped affecting the analysis is noted.
Please refer to Section 3.0,Project Description and Section 4.0, Environmental Setting of the Draft EIR.
The bases of the analysis is required by the State CEQA Guidelines to be existing conditions (e.g., at
issuance of the NOP).
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.19
The Commenter's statements related to the applicability of 7.1 are noted. Comment 52.19 does not
indicate what"7.1" is a comment. There are 5 policies 7.1 within the City's General Plan. The proposed
project does not apply to three of these policies. Please see below related to each of the three policies 7.1.
Please note that Natural Resource Element Policy 7.1 has been clarified.
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Land Use Element
Policy 7.1: Coardinate with the Orange Policy 7.1 does not apply because they are City
Unified School District and obligations but will be accomplished via the DEIR
Community College District review process.
regarding future plans for their
facilities.
Natural Resources Element
Policy 7.1: Preserve the scenic nature of The Draft EIR indicated that Policy 7.1 was not
significant ridgelines visible applicable to the project site. It could be considered
throughout the community. that significant ridgelines are visible throughout the
community. Therefore, it is noted that the proposed
project while not consistent with portions of this
specific policy could be found consistent with the
overall City General Plan.
Public Safety Element
Policy 7.1: Provide crime prevention, Policy 7.1 does not apply as it is a City policy.
community service, and
education programs designed to
prevent crime.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.20
The Commenter's statements related to the noise study are noted. The DEIR details that,
The ambient noise in the project vicinity is generally characterized vehicle traffic on Santiago
Canyon Road, from materials recycling activities in 2009 and backfilling activities in 2011 on the
project site, and from aircraft landing at John Wayne Airport approximately 10 miles south of the
project site.
Although the recycling and backfilling activities contribute to the ambient noise environment, East
Santiago Canyon Road is the primary noise source and this noise would occur independently of whether
any activity was occurring on the project site. Furthermore, according to OMC Section 8.24.070(E) the
current backfilling activities are exempt as long as the activities do not take place between the hours of
8:00 PM and 7:00 AM on weekdays, including Saturday, or any time on Sunday or a Federal Holiday.
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Additionally, the City General Plan provides maximum allowed noise exposure from transportation
sources of 65 dBA CNEL at the exterior of residential uses. This standard was developed for the
placement of new homes and is not an enforceable standard for existing homes, since noise from vehicles
on public roads is regulated by the State and Section 8.24.070(J) exempts any activity to the extent
regulation thereof has been preempted by State or Federal Law.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.21
The Commenter's statements related to the noise study are noted. Caltrans Technical Noise Supplement
(2012) states:
Studies of highways through canyons typically have shown noise increases of less than 3 dBA
from canyon effects. Noise increases generated from highways in narrow canyons with steep side
slopes theoretically could be more than 3 dBA, depending on groundcover and the steepness and
smoothness of side slopes. The canyon walls, to some extent, act as parallel soundwalls with
respect to multiple reflections. However, unless the slopes are perfectly vertical, buildup of
reflections will be more limited because of the slope angles.
Please note that there are no slopes that are steep enough or high enough in the vicinity of the project site
to create a measurable canyon effect. Regardless the noise levels were calculated through use of the
SoundPlan model, with topographical data from the grading plan entered into the SoundPlan model. The
SoundPlan model is capable of calculating refracted noise from changes in elevation and although the
conditions in the project vicinity do not exist for the Canyon effect to occur, the SoundPlan model would
have incorporated any canyon effect noise impacts into its noise calculations.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.22
The Commenter's statements related to the noise study are noted. Please refer Draft EIR Section 5.12,
Noise and Section 5.13, Population and Housing related to the increase of emergency vehicle per capita.
Please note that the City Municipal Code (OMC), Chapter 8.24070 Exemptions from Chapter Provisions
(Noise Standards),
D. Any mechanical device, apparatus or equipment used, related to or connected with emergency
machinery,vehicle, or work.
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J. Any activity to the extent regulation thereof has been preempted by State or Federal Law.
Please note that the California Vehicle Code Section 271562, exempts emergency vehicles from noise
standards.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.23
The Commenter's statements related to the noise study are noted. Please note that Impact NOI-1 related
to potential to create an impact to interior noise,relates to the project site not off-site areas as discussed in
the Draft EIR on page 5.12-48.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.24
The Commenter's statements related to the Alternative No. 2 - No Project-Development Under the
Existing General Plan and Zone are noted. The Commenter's statement that this should be retention of
the project site with only 5 to 10 acre sand and gravel operation is noted. Please note that the alternative
analyzes the most intensive case possibly under permitted and conditionally permitted uses already
recognized for the proposed zone.
The alternatives presented in the Draft EIR include scenarios of related to a "no-project" condition as
described below.
Alternative 1: No Project Alternative—No Development
This alternative evaluates what would be reasonably expected to occur on the project site in the
foreseeable future, if the proposed project were not approved. The City is not aware of any plans
for development of the project site other than the proposed project. The environmental conditions
existing at the time the Notice of Preparation (NOP) was published would be assumed to
continue, subject to changes resulting from reasonably projected contraction or expansion of the
existing uses. The City Attorney has stated that the materials recycling (i.e., asphalt and concrete
crushing) would require approval of an amended Conditional Use Permit for expansion. This
alternative would allow for the comparison of the environmental effects of existing conditions
and uses against the environmental effects that would occur if the proposed project were
approved. (Page 7-3 of the Draft EIR)
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Alternative 2:No Project Alternative—Developmenf Under Existing General Plan and Zoning
This alternative evaluates the development of the project site for uses permitted under the City's
existing General Plan and Zoning. The City General Plan Policy Map designates the project site
as Resource Area, Low-Density Residential, and Open Space. The existing City General Plan
Policy Map is depicted in Figure 3-7, Existing and Proposed General Plan. The City's current
Zoning Map designates the portion of the project site north of Santiago Creek as R-1-8 (Single-
family Residential), with the remainder of the project site designated S-G (Sand and Gravel
Extraction). (Page 7-5 of the Draft EIR)
Under Alternative 1: No Project Alternative—No Development, it should be noted that the City Attorney
has stated that the materials recycling (i.e., asphalt and concrete crushing) would require approval of an
amended Conditional Use Permit for expansion. Under Alternative 2: No Proj ect Alternative —
Development Under Existing General Plan and Zoning uses in addition to those permitted in the S-G
(Sand and Gravel Extraction District) are evaluated. This includes R-1-8 (Single-family Residential
District). Please refer to Master Response Section 2.10,Alternatives related to this issue.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.25
The Commenter's question related to conversion of Planning Area C to apartments is noted. The
conversion to Planning Area C from age-targeted housing to a multi-family apartment complex would
require appropriate planning and CEQA documentation. This would be anticipated to include City
Council approval of a revised site plan revisions. Revisions to the proposed project would be required to
establish parking and recreation standards for multi-family apartments. An apartment plan would require
additional parking and different recreational areas than an age-targeted housing project. These changes
would require an amendment to the Rio Santiago Specific Plan and require new California Environmental
Quality Act(CEQA) documentation.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 52.26
The Commenter's question related to the City requiring an economic impact analysis of the proposed
project are noted. As noted by the Commenter's statement an economic analysis is not a CEQA
requirement; therefore,no additional response is provided.
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This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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LETTER 53
Jakki Tonkovich
�rom: Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb@cityoforange.org>
�ent: Monday, July Ol, 2013 12:00 PM
To: Megan Penn;Jakki Tonkovich; Fred Talarico;Jackie Bateman
��; Leslie Roseberry
Subject: FW: Sully Miller Project
FYI...
From: Kribel, Ken [mailta:KenKribel(c�SOUTHERNWINE.com]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:36 AM
To: Chad Ortlieb
Subject: Sully Miller Project
Mr. Ortlieb,
I am adamantly against the rezoning of Sully Miller from open space to zoning that allows almost 400 residences to be
53.1
built.
I moved into Orange Park Acres in 2000 because of the rural living and open space. That is what makes our community
so special.
I am appalled that a developer knowingly bought property zoned open space and is attempting to rezone to benefit his 53.2
agenda while the entire community suffers.
Jo not let this happen to our beautiful rural community.
Respectfully,
OPA resident,
Ken Kribel
Sr.VP Director of National Accounts, On-Sale
Southern Wine and Spirits of America
562-926-2000 x12118
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LETTER 53
Date: June 28, 2013 �
Ken Kribel
Response to Comment 53.1
The Commenter's statements related to objecting to the proposed project rezoning are noted. Please refer
to Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.5.3, Physically Divide an
Established Community related to the proposed project and the surrounding community and zoning.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 53.2
The Commenter's statements related to loss of open space are noted. Please refer to Master Response
Section 2.6, Open Space, Subsection 2.6.1, Loss of Open Space related to the proposed project impact on
open space.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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Jakki Tonkovich
'rom: Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb@cityoforange.org>
.ient: Monday, July O1, 2013 12:02 PM
To: Megan Penn;Jakki Tonkovich; Fred Talarico;lackie Bateman
��; Leslie Roseberry
Subject: FW: Sully Miller
FYI...
From: Maria Morgan [maiito;mmorg1029@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 12:12 PM
To: Chad Ortlieb
Subject: Suily Miller
Planning commission,
I read that a developer is requesting that Sully Miller be rezoned to accommodate 400 future residences including 3 story
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buildings,
I am very much against any such project. It would ruin our neighborhood forever.
I first hand experience the traffic on Santiago Blv while driving my children to school, it is bumper to bumper traffic in the
morning going eastbound. Sometimes it takes me 15 minutes for a 4 mile trip. Our roads cannot handle anymore traffic 54.2
especially from 400 more residences and senior living units that will take many people to staff it along with constant
delivery trucks.
lease do not allow this to happen.
Respectfully,
f�taria �tis��gc�n ��
mmorq1029(a�aol.com
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3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 54
Date: June 28, 2013
Maria Morgan
Response to Comment 54.1
The Commenter's statements related to objecting to the proposed project rezoning are noted. Please refer
to Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.5.3, Physically Divide an
Established Community related to the proposed project and the surrounding community and zoning.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 54.2
The Commenter's statements related to increase in traffic on Santiago Boulevard are noted. Please refer
to Master Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and Tra�c,
related to increases in traffic.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
City of Orange-Response to Comments/Final EIR—December 2013 Page 3-365
Rio Santiago Project SCH No. 2009051072
LETTER 55
lakki Tonkovich
'rom: Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb@cityoforange.org>
oent: Monday, July 01, 2013 12:03 PM
To: Megan Penn;Jakki Tonkovich; Fred Talarico;Jackie Bateman
Cc: Leslie Roseberry
Subject: FW: Sully Miller
FYI...
From: �gar44Cc�verizon.net [mailto:paar44@verizan.net]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 12:30 PM
To: Chad Ortlieb
Subject: Sully Miller
Good Afternoon
I am opposed to the re-zoning of Sully Miller for the purpose of homes and 3 story senior residences. Our community will not benefit from this 55.1
measure.
Thank you
Concern citizen
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3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 55
Date: June 28, 2013 �
Pgar44@vrtixon.nrt
Response to Comment 55.1
The Commenter's statements related to high density units are noted. Please refer to Master Response
Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.5.3, Physically Divide an Established Communiry
related to the proposed proj ect and the surrounding community and zoning. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics, Subsection 2.2.5, Structure Height, related the proposed project three-
story element.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
City of Orange-Response to Comments/Final EIR—December 2013 Page 3-367
Rio Santiago Project SCH No. 2009051072
LETTER 56
Jakki Tonkovich
�rom: Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb@cityoforange.org>
�ent: Monday, July Ol, 2013 12:05 PM
To: Megan Penn;Jakki Tonkovich; Fred Talarico;Jackie Bateman
Cc: Leslie Roseberry
Subject: FW: Rio Santiago project
FYI...
From: Tom Rapport [mailto:trap�ort�c�mail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 1:22 PM
To: Chad Ortlieb
Subject: Rio Santiago project
A senior center and high density units are not acceptable for this location. 56.1
Santiago Canyon Road is a dangerous high speed road and more traffic, especially from senior drivers is not
acceptable. In addition, the 4 plans adopted by the City Of Orange do not make this plan acceptable. 56.2
"hanks, Tom Rapport
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3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 56
Date: June 28,2013 �
Tom Rapport
Response to Comment 56.1
The Commenter's statements related to objecting to the proposed project rezoning and the 3-story
residences are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, Subsection
2.5.3, Physically Divide an Established Community related to the proposed project and the surrounding
community and zoning. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics, Subsection 2.2.5,
Structure Height, related the proposed project three-story element.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 56.2
The Commenter's statements related to increase in traffic on Santiago Boulevard are noted. Please refer
to Master Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and Traffic,
related to increase in traffic. The comment does not specify which 4 City adopted plans are being
referred to. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5,Land Use and Planning, related to proposed and
adopted plans in the City pertaining to the project site.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
City of Orange-Response to Comments/Final EIR—December 2013 Page 3-369
Rio Santiago Project SCH No. 2009051072
LETTER 57
lakki Tonkovich
'rom: Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb@cityoforange.org>
oent: Monday, July O1, 2013 12:11 PM
To: Megan Penn;Jakki Tonkovich; Fred Talarico;Jackie Bateman
Cc: Leslie Roseberry
Subject: FW: Rio Santiago, DEIR..... Damn that Dam
Attachments: Santa Ana - Santiago Greenbelt Plan.pdf
FYI...
From: Charles Leffler [mailto:charlesleffler@ymail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 1:32 PM
To: Chad Ortlieb
Subject: Rio Santiago, DEIR..... Damn that Dam
Honorable Mayor and Council;
City of Orange Planning Department:
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June 2013
MILAN/JMI - RIO SANTIAGO PROJECT
Thank you for the opportunity to address my concerns on the Rio Santiago DEIR.
The California Environmental Quality Act is a valuable asset in the protection of the
quality of life. The air we breathe, the water we drink, the roads we travel, the
environment, the health, welfare and lives of people have been and will continue to be 57.1
seriously, adversely impacted by the past, current and future use of the site intended
for this project. The lack of benefit to the City and Public by this Project completely
overwhelms inadequate mitigations as admitted by the DEIR. The proposed project is
a risk that Orange cannot afford to take.
The intended site of the Rio Santiago project is the Sully Miller site which is about
110 acres. As it stands the old sand and gravel mining site is primarily zoned
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Resource/Open Space. There is approximately 12 acres north of the Santiago Creek
that is R-1 zoned. The remaining acreage includes 40 some acres of Santiago Creek
bed which as far as the City is concerned is a liability. It is a false creek course created
by the former Mining Operation that is trying and will over time correct itself. The entire
Site is acknowledged to be in a Dam Inundation Zone. There are 2 earthen Dams 57.�
upstream that while monitored, are subject to the forces of nature including not only a
100-year flood but also earthquakes and subsidence. To place 395 units with
potentially 1000 or more people's lives, homes and personal property in jeopardy is not
only unwise it should be a crime. Who is responsible for the liability and loss when it
occurs? Will the ads and sales brochures carry the warning in large print plain
language that The Developer, The City Planners and City Council were all warned that
the Site is an a Dam Inundation Zone and assume all responsibility for damage or loss
of life, limb or property? This may not happen in 10 or even 30 years. How will the
buyers be indemnified? Who will serve the time if the negligence is found to be
criminal? How will buyers be noticed of the risks and their rights. California has a 10
year Construction Defects Law, will the City extend that obligation for Milan/JMI and its
Officers, managers and 'experts' to 50 or 100 years? What is the expected lifetime of a
home? I am sure you are aware of well maintained and beautiful properties in Orange
that are over 100 years old.
First and foremost, the site is covered by at least 4 County/City Plans plus the 57.3
Orange General Plan. None of those Plans are honored or fully explored in this DEIR.
That is a major inadequacy.
Various Public agencies have oversight and responsibilities from the County
Parks, Army Corps of Engineers, Flood Control, Fish and Game, State Mining, Federal
Mining, AQMD, EPA, County Sanitation District, State and Federal Dam Safety and
Oversight Agencies, Drinking Water Agencies, Endangered Species, Toxic Waste,
County Roads, numerous Environmental protection Agencies from the County, State
and Federal levels who should all have received the DEIR, studied the Document and
Site and Commented prior to the Public phase.
Has the City of Orange hired independent Hydrologists, Dam Engineers and
other qualified experts to examine and evaluate the risks on the Public's behalf? The
DEIR states that the elevation of the site is unable to be raised above Inundation
levels. The risk cannot be fully mitigated. Again, how much of that risk liability falls on 5�.4
the Applicant and how much belongs to the City and its Staff and City if this project is
approved? There is no requirement to approve the proposed project but rather to
uphold health and safety concepts to protect current and future generations. No one
would approve a non-earthquake standard structure because the DEIR states that it is
not mitigatable simply because the Applicant wants to proceed? Would you not do the
proper due diligence with County, State and Federal Agencies as well as require and
hire independent, qualified experts to evaluate?
When this site was considered for development with half the number of units
by the Fieldstone Company a dozen years ago, a complex channeling plan was put
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into the project plan to protect the property from creek erosion and flooding while
maintaining the altered course and 'natural' appearance of the Creek. That PLAN did
not address and handle the INUNDATION FACTOR. As stated in the DEIR, there is
JO full and proper mitigation. THE SITE IS A RISK. So does the City sell cigarettes to
kids and alcohol to teens because the manufacturers and store owners say......... Well,
they will get them anyway and we told them that they were bad for them....The
DEIR understates that this is a Bad Site for People to LIVE on and it is not fully
mitigate-able. The Rio Santiago Plan is unacceptable.
Plans for this site were developed some 40 years ago. The 1973 OPA Plan, The
1973 Santa Ana River/Santiago Creek Greenway Plan, The 1976 East Orange
Community Plan and the 1976 Santiago Creek Implementation Plan are and were fully
in place and available for notice to the buyers. The majority of this property was slated
for and should be used as Recreational Open Space. It would help fulfill the City of
Orange's Park Deficit. It would be a proper use without putting homeowners, elders,
children and property at serious risk. Like the City's Historic District, Old Towne 57.5
designation there needs to be consideration and care of these plans and not just
wiping them away for the profit motive of a developer. What would be said to buying a
number of homes in Old Towne, demolishing the structures and building high-rise
apartments? It could take 20 or 30 stories to profit properly from the plan so once the
homes are bought, what would drive the City to allow the Development? There is no
requirement or justification to approve such an erroneous plan. There is no law that
equires the wipe out of long existing community plans, the rights, values and
expectations of thousands of property owners for the benefit of developers with an ill-
conceived plan. The applicant doesn't seem to realize There Is a Plan in Place that
needs to be honored.
What happens to the Creek, the water that flows to the Bond Pit and the wildlife
as and when this site is developed? Where in the DEIR is the plan to return the
Santiago Creek to its historic natural course? The Mining operation set the creek on a
Northerly course to keep it out of their settling ponds 40 to 60 years ago. The Creek
still follows the bedrock flow under the dirt to a greater or lesser degree depending on
up creek saturation as evidenced by all the de-watering that was being improperly
carried out at the site over the last year or 2. The reports, citations and media
information should be available. When that groundwater hits the landfill it activates the
microorganisms that create methane and causes other chemical reactions. The 57.6
leakage depending on the specific weight of the contaminants may be up to airborne
as with methane or sinking as with heavy metals. Some leaching downstream may
occur and end up in the Bond Pit.
Issues that must be addressed:
• What testing has been done determine water quality and what levels of toxins
exist at the site and at the Bond Pit?
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• What measures are in place to monitor and manage changes due to the
effects of the proposed development?
• Does the City of Orange have the expertise to oversee these factors?
• Has the City hired non-partisan experts to test, evaluate and form a plan or
advise on the effects of and suitability of the development?
• If a vapor and moisture barrier prohibits the natural flow of the water between
the bedrock and compacted soil what happens when the water pools up under
the buildings in the proposed project?
• Once the soil east of the landfill is saturated may subsidence occur?
• Does the hydrated soil erode and allow the Santiago to reclaim her course?
• What happen to the Bond Pit water quality during these potentials?
• What happens at the Bond pit after the changes made by the project have
been in place...5, 10 or 15 years?
• Does the City understand the long term effects of the potentials I am bringing
up?
• Has the City prepared for pollution of the Bond Pit and the aquifers below?
• Has the City protected, and insured the residents against the impacts and
negative effects and damages from this project?
• I believe the water issues are above the City's skill set and will require State
and Federal Agencies to make determinations as to Water Quality, Dam Safety,
Mining Land Recovery criteria. When will a complete list of all County, State and
Federal Agencies be contacted be available? What oversight, jurisdiction, and
proper monitoring and management skills will each Agency provide?
• What happens to the Santiago Canyon Road or the streets and homes in the
proposed project if saturation below causes subsidence?
In the hills of Orange/Anaheim overlooking Santa Ana Canyon Road a number of years
back there were a few homes that sunk, slipped and had to be demolished due to
ground water saturation issues. Those homes were well above any flood and
inundation area risk and yet, ground water destroyed the properties. They are still
vacant lots on the edge of the neighborhood.
More issues that must be addressed: 5�.�
• What are the potentials, risks and safety factors for this in the Rio DEIR?
• Who is signing off on all those risks for the City?
• What indemnification to the City and future property owners as well as
neighboring properties is Milan/JMI being required to provide?
• Why would the City and its citizens take on such risks for the benefit of the
developer?
Wiping out existing plans and open space designations for Development of an
over built high density project on ecologically sensitive, dam inundation risk, altered
creek bed watershed that feeds a drinking water reservoir and flows to the Santa Ana
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and then Pacific should be a no starter. It destroys too much for too many and in return
gives only high density, traffic, visual and noise pollution while putting future
homeowners in a flood risk dam inundation area that cannot be properly mitigated.
Jphold the General Plan, OPA Plan, Greenbelt Plan, East Orange Plan and Santiago
Creek Implementation Plan.
Reject the Rio Santiago Development Plan.
Egress, one road access in and out for potentially over 1000 residents, many who
will be bed-ridden, or need assistance, living in a high density high rise facility, families 57.8
in the East portion, first impact area, plus perhaps 200 day users in a flood, dam
inundation and fire risk site surrounded by a methane leaking former landfill on the
West, a steep creek embankment on the North and a fortress walled community on a
hill to the East with a berm and walled obstruction to the South. Was this Project
designed for a Disaster Movie Script? How many lives are you willing to risk to make a
buck. Shall we lower the Standards on Air, Rail and Vehicle travel and remove seat
belt, child seats, drinking while driving and phone use while driving laws if it will better
serve the Developers bottom line? This site has serious problems in and surrounding
it. Egress is not just inadequate; in an emergency it is a multiplier to the negative
effect. Reject the Rio Santiago Project.
Nowhere in the surrounding area to this site were there ever or are there now
any 3 story commercial/multi family units or commercial buildings planned, permitted or
built. The 3 story senior units are most properly identified as Apartments, multi family
units. The change in zoning in this area to accomplish this results in SPOT ZONING.
The 80,000 Sq Ft, 40,000 Sq Ft footprint multi use commercial/recreation building also
results in SPOT ZONING. Neither of these facets of the Plan fit the single family
residential and rural residential nature of the surrounding Communities. No Spot
Zoning. The City already has Spot Zoning problems it is trying to rectify. Creating new
problems is not just unwise. It is against current City standards and guidelines for
Development.
Reject the Rio Santiago Plan.
In the previous Fieldstone development plan of the Sully Miller site there was a
huge underground vapor barrier, monitor and warning system plan at the West end of
the site abutting the former Villa Park Landfill/Methane producing site. From meetings
and records I saw in that time there was and may still be methane escaping as far
away as the tree wells on the South side of Santiago Canyon Road across from the
former Dumpsite.
These issues must be addressed:
• Who is testing and what agencies are involved and making recommendations
for the oversight and mitigation of risks from the methane leakage?
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• Have residences in Jamestown, South of the former dumpsite, been tested
regularly and what were the results?
• How far east of the former dumpsite between the bedrock and newly re-
compacted dirt will the methane travel in 1 , 3, 5 or more years?
• How long will methane leach from the site and when will it peak?
• What other toxins are present at the landfill site?
• Which toxins are airborne?
• Which are water soluble and may enter the water supply via the Bond Pit as a
result of changes to the conditions at the Sully Miller site with the proposed 57.�
development?
• What are the health hazards to Residents living downwind of the landfill when
these changes in the topography occur?
• What affect will high or low rainfall and ground saturation have on the air and
water borne toxins migration? What are the health risks and fire/explosion
potentials from the methane and or other toxic gasses that exist and are
escaping the former landfill?
• How will measures taken to modify or eliminate leakage (such as the vapor
barrier) push the methane towards existing Communities where it may be
impossible to rectify the situation without huge costs and loss of property and
property values?
• If Mabury Ranch was inundated by methane leakage and problems, who
would be responsible, The City of Orange, for its approvals, The County of
Orange, as it owns the former landfill or Milan/JMI for their poor plans and
development of a known risk site?
• If the City approves the site without proper expert investigation and reasoned
statistical analysis has the City assumed the responsibility for the problems with
the site and development?
• Will Bonds be required of Milan/JMI for the potential health, life and property
loss due to their development of the high risk property?
• Has the City hired or required the hire of competent experts on the risks,
issues, mitigation and liabilities attendant to the methane and other toxic gas
leakage that exists surrounding the former Villa Park Landfill?
All of this was known by Milan/JMI, their consultants and investors if they have
done their due diligence. I sat with some of the same advisers in the Fieldstone
planning process who were also for years and recently connected to Milan/JMI's team.
Where in the DEIR is the study of the Methane and the potential for additional risks to
existing neighborhoods from what would be mitigation for the development? What is
the domino effect of risk/damage/loss from the changing the topography, aeration
capability, and migration potentials for the methane and other toxic substances existent 57.1
and escaping from the former landfill? Reject the Rio Santiago Plan.
I just was interrupted by a call from SCE with a peak energy savings plan.
California is short on power, water and has heavily congested roads and highways,
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especially during peak hours. It is a problem, and yet.... DEVELOPMENT continues.
ORANGE is essentially built out. The remaining sites like the old Sully Miller property
was not planned for development for a reason, too many Liabilities and Constraints.
3uch sites are the only hope for making up the Parks shortage and although other
Cities and Counties in the State have adopted low or no growth measures in an effort
to keep pace with infrastructure and resources Orange is faced with Developers
looking to maximize land use with multi family units that overrun roads and resources.
Power, Water, Sanitation, Police, Fire, Recreation, ALL, are being squeezed to add
more units in less space. What happens to the roads when the Irvine Company
Santiago Hills Phase II sees the dollar signs large enough to begin construction? At
what point does a City say, This is the Nature of Our Community, Our Plan, Our vision
and hold to the existing Community Plans telling the speculating grifter, Thanks, this is
Our City and you will not take its resources and character for granted and for your
profit.
Does Rio Santiago fit any Orange City Plan? Does it add basic needs and add to
the quality of life in Orange? No, it takes more Open Space and adds more people per
square foot which adds thousands of trips per day and huge unmitigatable hazards to
life and property for future residents as well as current citizens...loss of Open Space
with the false promise of open space that is a stream bed which no one wants to be
responsible for...it is a risk factory. The other recreational opportunities are a spot
zoned commercial building in a dam inundation zone with methane leakage risks to the 57.11
.;hildren who attend, and pay to play that gives NOTHING back to the Citizens of
Orange for all the Creek and Greenbelt Plans that it wipes away.
On a risk reward basis, the Rio Plan is all Risk for the City and loss to the surrounding
communities including Villa Park while it is highly rewarding to a few in the developer
business who will not be here in Orange when the problem created by this
development manifest. We do not need this project, we do not want this project and
there are too many serious health, finance and resource risks, losses and dangers
created by this project to approve it.
Reject the Rio Santiago Plan.
The usage of the term 'global warming' can be misleading or lead to the idea that
the total threat is an arid or desert condition. Global climate change is more descriptive
of what the global warming effect. In the last 500 years there was the little ice age, 57.1;
which NASA determines as from 1550 to 1850 although other experts date it differently
shows that weather anomalies are possible without the causes believed to be at the
center of current concerns. However the potentials vary worldwide. Flooding may
increase or drought may prevail in an area. Here we had a decidedly cooler spring.
It may be a simple matter to scan and dismiss all the questions raised and
objections made in my letter. The applicant and or his 'experts' will tell you ...it is no
problem and none of this will happen....while we are still in town.' The problems are for
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You, Me and the entire City of Orange. Does this project fit the any City Plan? NO. In
fact long standing City, City/County and Community Plans have to be trashed for this
project. So, does this project it give fairly to the City for what It takes? If you consider 57�
more dense population, mega vehicle trips per day, Police and Fire expense, light,
noise and potential toxic air and water pollution — All negatives for our City you may
think so. Then consider, the Dam Inundation, Toxicity, Egress and other
problems. This project with its Spot Zoning, Contamination Risks, Flood and
Inundation Risks, wipes out many good plans and is detrimental to surrounding
established communities and on the whole, Orange.
RESPECT THE OPA, GREENBELT AND EAST ORANGE PLANS.
Why would the City of Orange, the Public, assume the responsibility for approval
of a project with serious risks and life threatening liabilities that the developers DEIR
states exist but are not correctable or mitigatable? Why would the City accept a DEIR
that does not consider the full effects of the project in light of existing entitlements like
Santiago Hills phase II with traffic and impacts of said project? The whole of the coming
real impacts need to be considered as it will all affect life in east Orange..
Take into consideration, Santiago phase II and its full effects on water, runoff,
creek flow, traffic, ground water and air pollution and as a cumulative and combined
with the negative impacts risks and dangers of the Rio project. What are the potential
risks, hazards and negatives that will impact the 50,000 plus users of Katella/Santiago
including Villa Park and toll road, Jamboree and regional Parks users? What impacts
do the changes in topography, channelization, runoff, and global weather changes �.�
have on the Bond Pit downstream? What potential for increased sedimentation of the
area north of the Katella Bond Pit crossing and increased hillside saturation as water
backs up and increased landslide as already occurs impedes or takes out the Bridge.
That crossing was out as recently as 1980. The 2 previous bridges were never
expected to fail. Today's traffic count is many multiples of that period. How will the
grading, construction, ROMP, compaction, vapor barriers, building weight loads and
increased traffic effect the toxic landfill, emissions into ground, water and air, the creek
flow after 4000 SH phase II properties water runoff flows through handy Creek and
meets Santiago Creek at the project site to silt and dam the Cannon or Katella
crossings and creating ponding back up or wash out? What will be the effects of global
climate change on the water flow, flood potential, dam inundation, the toxic landfill
problems and the potential flooding on the Sully/Rio site?
Does it require filled body bags to prove that the present project is not proper for
the intended site?
Does it take 1 million, 5 million or 25 million in property damage and loss to
prove that the proposed site has too many risks and problems to be suited for the
proposed development? It may be unsuitable for any permanent structures as global
weather changes progress. What will happen with the level of the ocean rising affecting
ground water levels. Aquifers are re-charged (toilet to tap) to protect the water supply
but must be monitored to NOT raise the level so much as to inundate low lying homes
and businesses. How will this change? Bond Pit re-charges the aquifers with water
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runoff stored there. If it cannot do so pump out due to changes in the sea levels or
changes downstream, it will permanently fill to the run off point of the old creek bed on
the southeast of the main Pit. Instead of capturing and holding millions of gallons of
ainfall in a storm, the creek will flow to the Santa Ana River as it once did, like it did in
the flooding that destroyed property near Memory Lane in 1969. The year round
saturation of the Pits could cause landslides on its un-reinforced walls and destabilize
or take out the Katella Crossing. It is also possible that the banks on other sides of the
Pit could destabilize. Note the cliff face erosion above the north of Katella side in the
Villa Park neighborhood back yards. How will the changed conditions at the Sully site
contribute to those risk potentials? What mitigation and financial responsibility will the
developer assume? In the event of a Bridge closure or outright failure, how will the
200,000 trips a day be rerouted and how will Chapman Ave handle that load? What will
be the effect on residents and commerce in Orange? Who wants to look back after that
crossing has failed,(already twice in recent history)again due to global weather
changes and creek re-routing, compaction, runoff, absorption and load changes at the
Rio site contributed to the failure and say....'That should not have happened! I guess
we goofed.'
The purpose of Planning, the requirement of CEQA, is to really look at the
liabilities, risks, impacts across the board and correct, mitigate or show proper reason
to over-ride minor faults. Potentials for failure and hazards that are not addressed in
this DEIR are not minor. This project does not fit the Communities or Orange. It is not
safe nor is it an environmental fit. Health and safety are serious issues here.
Does Rio fit the surrounding communities? 57.15
No.
Does Rio fit the City General Plan?
No.
Does it fit the East Orange Plan, Greenway Plan, OPA Plan or any existing City
and County plan that through thousands of hours of staff and public time and effort
were formed agreed upon and signed for by City and County authority?
Are the site flooding risks, site dam inundation risks and other safety risks fully
and properly addressed, corrected and or mitigated? Does Orange want to put the
lives and property of its citizens at risk?
Are the impacts from proposed lighting pollution, commercial buildings, high 57.1f
density, out of character residences, over building egress safety issues, huge traffic
impacts and other issues been corrected?
Are the risks to potential residents and property users from escaping Methane
and other toxins escaping from the adjacent landfill by ground, water and air fully
investigated, identified and corrected or mitigated? What are the boundaries of the
eakage of the methane? What levels are toxic to plants, animals and humans. What
are the risks for explosion or fire? It may not be the Project owners creation but is it
proper and safe to locate new residences in the area. Prior projects were built in the
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late 70's and 80's when awareness and the Law was different. If the construction of
units in the planned area contribute to the death of 1 person, who is responsible? If the
Health of 1 person is damaged, was the project proper? How many people have to be
damaged for the City to be found negligent in its due diligence oversight? What is the
duty of the City? Protection of Life, Health and Property are important aims that this
DEIR misses the mark on,
Is the safety and impact of the site access/egress in agreement with the use
and flow of Santiago Canyon Road? Does it consider and include impacts already
entitled but not in operation by SH phase II? Does it consider the constraints on the
westbound route through Villa Park where the road narrows and cannot be widened
without Eminent Domain and destruction of existing homes? Does it take in account
the already difficult freeway access during much of the day? Does it protect the
surrounding communities from huge and unacceptable impacts from congestion on the
road driving traffic through non thoroughfare communities looking to expedite their 57.1
travels?
Does the DEIR properly identify the high rise Multi- Family Units for what they
are and provide proper egress, parking and traffic numbers to provide the real impacts
of the proposed project on the surrounding area? NO. In fact the `Senior' designation
and units in the proposal does not fit the area, is not guaranteed by the proposal or
DEIR, is misleading and subverts the effort of the CEQA process. Multi-family zoning
has greater impacts on traffic, schools, parks and other issues in significantly greater
ways than `Senior' units. Neither, `SENIOR' or MULTI FAMILY fit the General Plan, any
other Plan or the Communities in the Development's proposed area. The Zoning, as
asked for, would represent blatant SPOT ZONING.
Are the serious health risks, threats to life and property, traffic, pollution,
overcrowding, egress, flooding, air quality, ground contamination, water impacts,
contamination and hazards, City resource use issues such as paramedics, dam
inundation, hydrology, geology, ecology, pollution, site or adjacent site toxins, gas
emissions, containment, detection, relief, eradication or responsibility
thereof, pollution, ecological, native cultural rights or concerns, historical plans or
Orange parks addressed, fully corrected or mitigated in this DEIR?
This DEIR misses more than it addresses and should be handed back with the
full current CEQA laws and rulings, State studies of the Threat of the Rising Ocean 57.1
Levels, Studies on the health hazards of the Villa Park Landfill and the Dangers of
Landfills information, copies of the California Health and Safety Codes, Orange
County Health and Safety Codes, AQMD, EPA, FEMA, SMARA State, Federal and
County Flood Control Regulations, Wildlife, Fish and Game Manuals and laws, Army
Corps of Engineers Regulations, Federal Mining clean up documentation and
regulations, State and Federal Natives Peoples sensitivity information and Rights
documents, State and Federal Dam Inundation Rules and Regulations, oversight and
safety issues, copies of the existing City and County agreed Plans for the area which
should include copies of the Greenway Plan, the East Orange Plan the Santiago Creek
Plan and the OPA Plan, a copy of the Orange General Plan with the 2010 plan
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updated areas zoned for Multi-family Zoning highlighted in neon currency green for
them.
While I tried to be complete with my concerns as one who has served on
;ommunity committees dealing with Salem Schools expansion, OPA's Real Estate
Committee since the Fieldstone plan back in the late 90's to current issues including
Ridgeline, The Cemetery, Salem again, and other issues I am aware of my
limitations. I also sat on the `Grindle' Coalition until the schisms and politics of
Ridgeline rendered it less than a lackey for the Developer's interests. While I am not an
expert on all CEQA and all these issues that must be addressed, I see a deeply flawed
project with a poorly done DEIR that should be discarded to start over. I find that it is a
serious shortcoming that the DEIR process does not have a detailed, delineated form
that ensures that all issues are fully met and addressed prior to submission. It is
appalling that City Staff has to do and re-do the work of the developer and that it
requires citizen vigilance and intervention to protect the public. 57.19
In the 50's when I lived a few doors from Bristol in southwest Santa Ana, bean
fields and cow pastures were all you could see for miles to the west. South of Delhi,
now Warner Road it was open fields to where Harbor intersects Newport in Costa
Mesa until into the 60's. I do not long for those days. However, then, there was
seemingly unlimited miles of buildable property in the County. Today, with some
exception in South County, essentially with the entitlements approved City and County
wide, Orange County is basically built out. Here in Orange with its Recreation and
Parks shortfall there is almost no land left to make it up. The Sully site was planned
�nd could still be cut to fit some of that need. The fees in lieu of land deal that finished
Grijalva but stole park space from the Irvine land in the East still leaves a stench in the
air. Politics, developer money and compromise have left some deep wounds on the
landscape. Before the gavel is dropped and land designated as open space destined
for parks in Orange is forever lost it may be worthwhile to pause and look at what
Orange gets with the ill-fitting, risk overrun, impossible to correct, un-mitigatable, toxic
time bomb we are discussing. ORANGE GETS PROBLEMS.
In the Traffic section the DEIR notes that the City is responsible for the Streets. Is it
not the City's responsibility to require that the Developer in creating future impacts
creates compensate the City for the additional time and road enhancements the
Developer's Project will thrust on the area? I reacll many hours of nexus discussions in
Planning and Council meetings when the Irvine Company sought approvals. I
understood that mitigation may mean dollars from developers to make improvements.
This project has huge potential liabilities and dangerous egress issues. When the s�.2o
cumulative effect of approved projects and potentials created by the massive over
population per square acre asked @ Rio are put together Santiago Canyon Road from
the 55 to Jamboree will become a giant parking lot. That is if the Project is approved.
Since the Developer sees it as the City's problem the City needs to acknowledge the
problem and deny the Project. Unless the Developer provides full and responsible
nitigation for the enormous problems it creates for its future residents, the
surrounding communities and Cities (Villa Park and Anah. Hills) and the already
existing 100 of thousands of Commuter trips per day it looks like the Developer is
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asking the City to realize that the proposed project is bad for the City, its now and
future residents and should not be approved.
There are no entitlements save a small section of R-1 zoning North of the Santiago
Creek on the site subject property. The property was bought in 2008 'AS IS' with
knowledge of the sites defects, encumbrances, hazards, proximity next to a closed
and hazardous landfill with the potential methane and other toxins migrating to the site
property. Representatives of the current property were involved in the same meetings,
discussions and risk assessments that were part of the Fieldstone effort to develop the 57.�
site. A poor decision to purchase outright, land slated for Open Space, with all the
warts and defects hazards, risks, environmental sensitivity and overwhelming impacts
to the City, its surrounding Communities and the sole responsibility of the Developer.
No further entitlements should approved until after Full and Proper mitigation for all the
known and unknown risks hazards and issues have been truly mitigated. None of the 4
Plans that were previously Adopted, Approved or Accepted such as the Orange City
Council Approval of the Santa Ana/Santiago Creek Implementation Plan as noted in
the following May 18, 1976 Council Meeting.....
Please note the attachment above for minutes of the 18 May 1976 Orange City
Council Meeting approves/adopts the Santa Ana River, Santiago Creek 'plan'.
Nor the OPA Plan, the East Orange Plan or the Greenway Plan should be
corrupted, removed or cut from the property's conditions or approvals. The City
General Plan when updated was set set with the current Resource/Open Space
designations as correct. Thus it is and thus it should remain. 5�2
It is time for Orange to hire unbiased, qualified engineers. Mining, Bridge,
Hydrology, Geology, Landfills (toxicity mitigation and clean up), Air Quality, Water
Quality, Dam Safety, Flood Control, Toxic Ground and Ground Waste Engineers need
to be consulted and report on this site. In addition, experts in Ecology, Endangered
Species, Fire Safety, Noxious and Explosive Gas, the Light and Noise fields need to be
consulted and weigh Orange's Traffic Engineers need to really research and estimate
the cumulative effects of currently entitled projects and what compounding effects this
proposal would create. This all needs to be Done before the first DRC meeting is
scheduled. Filled body bags are not what this development should give in return for
approvals to build in Orange.
Thank you,
Charles Leffler
10693 Orange Park BI.
Orange, Ca. 92869
714 538 6350
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Page 3 CITY COUNCIL MINUTES May 18, 1976
IN RE FEES FOR CARNIVALS AND SPECIAI. EVENTS:
The City Manager remarked that the Jaycees would li.ke to be present
at the discussion on carnival and speci,al events fees. Councilman
Peraz announced the President of the Jaycees had requested a con-
tinuance so they may offer other alternatives.
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Moved by Councilman Perez, seconded by Councilman Barrera, and duly ��,'�
adopted, consideration of fees for carnivals and special events was
conCinued to the meeting of June 8, 1976, per request of the Jaycees.
IN RE SCHEDULE OF PiIBLIC H�ARING ON PROPOSED PRELZMINARY BUDGET - FY 1976-77:
The City Manager explained to the new Councilmen Che procedures and
schedules which are followed in the preparation of the annual budget.
He suggested that the public hearing commence at 4:00 p.m, on June 1.
Council discussion ensued relative to the most appropriate time for
the public hearing; with a concensus that it should be heard in the
evening for citizen participation.
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Moved by Counci3.man Perez, seconded by Councilman Beam, and duly \'�
adopted, to set for public hearing at 7:00 p.m. June 1, 1976 con- f%��
sideration of the Proposed Preliminary Budget for FiscaJ. Year 1976-77,
with the understanding that should budget consideration not be com-
pleted at that time, Council may have to carry this matter over to
Wednesday night.
IN RE APPRCJVAL OF SANTA ANA RIVERfSANTIAGO CREEK GREENBELT PLAN:
Associate Planner Norvin Lanz presented a status report on the progress
to-date of the Greenbelt and ImplementaCion Plan. Ae indicated on a
Greenbelt 5tatus Map the projected developments and on a Development
Schedule Map the estimated time for development of the various phases.
He further iterated that our staff had developed the overall plan
for the City of Orange, City of Villa Park, and the County of Orange
and that there had been no remuneration given the City for this work.
There was Council discussion whether or not a policy had been con-
sidered by the Greenbelt Commission as to maintenance; and the concept
of an executive golE course at the Bixby borrow site with the deter-
mination that the city cannot assist financially in such a plan and
it would have to be done by private investors. In response to a
questi.on from Council on whether there was an area large enough for
a golf course under fee title, Mr. Lanz remarked that there were
approximately 100 acres in the northeast section of the Greenbelt area.
Moved by Councilman Perez, seconded by Councilman Barrera, and duly
adopted, the report on the Santa Ana River/5antiago Creek Greenbelt
Plan was accepted, and Council upheld the recommendations of the
Parks, Recreation and Cultural Arts Advisory Commission that the
City projects be adopted as part of the Greenbelt Plan and that they,
be placed in the highest priority as £ollows:
1. E1 Camino Real Park Devel.opment '- }��
2. Secondary Bike Trails
3. Hart Park Extension
4. Hitching Post at Hart Park
5. Cerro Villa Park
6. Hitching Post in the Upper Trail aC Yorba Park.
IN RE FIRE TRUCK IN EL MODENA PARK - TO BE REMOVED: �%'�
Moved by Councilman Barrera, seconded by Councilman Hoyt, and duly ;�h" � ,
adopted, authorization was given to sell to the highest bidder, the`- . '�
stripped surplus fire truck presently located in EL Modena Park.
IN RE BICENTENNIAL COMNIISSION ANNUAL REPORT - TO BE CONTINUED:
The Gity Clerk announced that Mr. Gene Beyer, Chairman of the
3.0 Comments and Responses
LETTER 57
Date: June 28,2013
Charles Leffler
Response to Comment 57.1
The Commenter's opposition to the proposed project is noted. This comment does not raise CEQA
related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.2
The Commenter's statements related to zoning on the project site are noted. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.5,Land Use and Planning, related to zoning. The Commenter's statements related to
Santiago Creek being a liability are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues from the
relation of the comment to speculative City liability concerns or offer new information related to the
proposed project. The Commenter's statements related to former mining operation creating a revised
creek course that will correct itself are noted. The Draft EIR evaluated the proposed project based on
existing conditions at the time of the issuance of the NOP as required by the State CEQA Guidelines.
This comment does not raise CEQA related issue or offer new information related to the proposed project.
The Commenter's statements related to placing residences in a dam inundation area are noted. Please
refer to Master Response 2.4, Hydrology and Flooding related to potential impacts to hydrology and
water quality from project implementation on the project site and the surrounding area, including dam
inundation issues. In the course of the preparation of the EIR, the City consulted all known references
related to the potential odds of seismic activity as a catalyst for dam failure. As of this writing there is no
known data that would provide the potential odds of the potential seismically induced failure of one of the
above mentioned dams. Therefore, at this time it would be speculative to provide the odds of failure.
Please refer to Section 5.9, Hydrology and Water Quality of the Draft EIR, specifically page 5.9-51
regarding Dam Failure for additional information.
The Commenter's statements related to liability, negligence, and buyer's rights are noted. This comment
does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. However,
should the City Council contemplate approval of the project, staff will be recommending a condition on
the project to such effect:
"The CC&R's shall include a disclosure that the site is located in a dam inundation area. The
CC&R's shall include requirements for owner notification of the dam inundation risk at the time
of sale or transfer of ownership of any property in the project area. The CC&R's shall include
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the site specific evacuation plan that the City approves for any and/or all of the Planning Areas
which may be above and beyond the provisions of any Project Design Features or Mitigation
Measures."
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.3
The Commenter's statements related to City and County plans for the project site are noted. Please refer
to Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, related to adopted plans in the City. This
information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise any
issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is noted
and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.4
The Commenter's statements related to authority for decisions related to the proposed project and project
site are noted. The City provided a Notice of Preparation and a Notice of Determination to all applicable
agencies and the State Clearinghouse. A list of agency distribution is available at the City Planning
Division. Some agencies such as California Fish and Wildlife and the Army Corps of Engineers do not
initiate project review unless approval first occurs. Those approvals would still be required even if the
City Council approves the project. The Commenter's opposition to the proposed project is noted. This
comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project.
The Commenter's statements related to the previous project(i.e., Fieldstone),unavoidable impacts related
to dam inundation and opposition to the proposed project is noted. This comment does not offer new
information related to the proposed project.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.5
The Commenter's statements related to "plans for his site" are noted. Please refer to Master Response
Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, related to adopted plans in the City. The Commenter's statements
related to economic justification of property rights are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related
issues or offer new information related to the proposed project.
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This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.6
The Draft EIR evaluated the proposed project based on existing conditions at the time of the issuance of
the NOP as required by the State CEQA Guidelines. The Commenter's statements related to returning
Santiago Creek to its "historic natural course" are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.4,
Hydrology and Flooding related to potential impacts to hydrology and water quality from project
implementation on the project site and the surrounding area including issues related to Santiago Creek.
The Commenter's statements related to groundwater impacts are noted. Please refer to Master Response
Section 2.4, Hydrology and Flooding related to potential impacts to hydrology and water quality from
project implementation on the project site and the surrounding area including groundwater related issues.
The Commenter's statements related to potential impacts on the former Villa Park Landfill and the Bond
Pit are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3,Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section
5.8,Hazards and Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR related to potential hazards and hazardous effects
from the project implementation on the proposed site and its surrounding area. It should be noted that the
landfill, a creek coarse, contaminants, chemical reactions and leaching baselines would all occur with or
without the project. The DEIR has analyzed the effect of the aforementioned dynamics against additional
impacts to the environment caused by the project. Many of the dynamics cited would persist with the no
project alternative.
The Commenter's statements related to effect of the project on the adjacent landfill are noted. The
County is responsible for what occurs from its site. This would include establishing a baseline and
determining, if the proposed project affects the baseline. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3,
Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8, Hazards and Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR
related to potential hazards and hazardous effects from the project implementation on the proposed site
and its surrounding area.
The Commenter's statements related to water pooling under the buildings are noted. Based on the
information presented in the EIR, water pooling under building is not anticipated. Please refer to Master
Response 2.4, Hydrology and Flooding related to potential impacts to hydrology and water quality from
project implementation on the project site and the surrounding area including groundwater related issues.
The Commenter's statements related to compaction and how would it affect methane migration are noted.
The County is responsible far the former Villa Park Landfill. The Commenter's statements related to
effect of the project on the adjacent landfill are noted. The County is responsible for what occurs from
their site. This would include establishing a baseline and determining, if the proposed project affects the
baseline. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3,Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8,
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Hazards and Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR related to potential hazards and hazardous effects
from the project implementation on the proposed site and its surrounding area.
The Commenter's opinions related to City's qualifications to evaluate the proposed project are noted.
This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed
project. The Commenter has not provided any data to support in change in this analysis.
The Commenter's statements related to the effect of potential methane mitigation on groundwater are
noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3, Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8,
Hazards and Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR related to potential hazards and hazardous effects
from the project implementation on the proposed site and its surrounding area. The Commenter's
statements related to potential subsidence are noted. Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5. 6, Geology and
Soils related to existing geology and soils conditions, the related geologic hazards on the project site, and
analysis of the potential effects with implementation of the proposed project. This section also identifies
mitigation measures, when applicable, to reduce any potentially significant impacts and describes the
residual impact, if any, after implementation of mitigation measures.
The Commenter's statements related to hydrated soil eroding and allowing Santiago Creek to relocate are
noted. Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5. 6, Geology and Soils related to existing geology and soils
conditions, the related geologic hazards on the project site, and the potential effects with implementation
of the proposed project. This section also identifies mitigation measures, when applicable, to reduce any
potentially significant impacts and describes the residual impact, if any, after implementation of
mitigation measures. Additionally, please refer to Master Response 2.4, Hydrology and Flooding related
to potential impacts to hydrology and water quality from project implementation on the project site and
the surrounding area.
The Commenter's questions related to what would happen to the Bond Pit water quality are noted. The
proposed project impacts on surface and groundwater are provided in the Draft EIR in Section 5.8,
Hydrology and Water Quality. Additionally,please refer to Master Response Section 2.4,Hydrology and
Flooding related to potential impacts to hydrology and water quality from project implementation on the
project site and the surrounding area including groundwater related issues. The Commenter's question
related to the Bond Pit after the changes made by the project have been in place...5, 10 or 15 years are
noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.4, Hydrology and Flooding related to potential impacts
to hydrology and water quality from project implementation on the project site and the surrounding area
including groundwater related issues. Based on this data no impact on water quality at the Bond Pit
would be anticipated. The Commenter has not provided any data to support in change in this analysis.
The Commenter's questions related to the City's understanding of the long term effects of the proposed
project are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to
the proposed project. The Commenter's questions related to the City being prepared for pollution of the
Bond Pit and the aquifers are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3, Hazards and
Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8, Hazards and Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR related to
potential hazards and hazardous effects from the project implementation on the proposed site and its
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surrounding area. The Commenter's questions related to the City protecting and insuring, and insured the
residents against the impacts and negative effects and damages from this project are noted. This comment
does not raise CEQA related issues ar offer new information related to the proposed project. The
Commenter's statements related to water issues being above the City's skill set and requiring State and
Federal Agencies to make determinations as to water quality, dam safety, mining land recovery criteria
are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the
proposed project.
The Commenter's question related to a complete list of all County, State and Federal Agencies to be
contacted is noted. Please refer to Section 3.0, Project Description of the Draft EIR. The following is a
list of other additional agencies that are expected to use the Draft EIR for their review of the project and
the project component under their review and approval:
• County of Orange, Resources & Development Management Department - potential for
incorporation of one of the proposed on-site regional trails into the County's Master Plan of
Trails and potential for incorporation of Planning Area A into Santiago Oaks Regional Park
• Orange Sanitation District-to provide wastewater and sewer to the project site
• Regional Water Quality Control Board(RWQCB)- for Section 401 certification
• South Coast Air Quality Management District (SCAQMD)- review for consistency with Air
Quality Management Plan
• State of California, Department of Fish and Wildlife — for issuance of Section 1602 and 2081
permits
• United States Army Corps of Engineers (ACOE)—for issuance of Section 404 permit
• United States Fish and Wildlife Service(USFWS)—for Section 7 consultation
The Commenter's question related to oversight,jurisdiction, monitoring, and management skills at each
Agency are noted.
The Commenter's questions related to Santiago Canyon Road, streets, and homes if saturation causes
subsidence are noted. Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.9, Hydrology and Water Quality specifically
Threshold HWQ-B and Master Response Section 2.4, Hydrology and Flooding related to potential
impacts to hydrology and water qualiry from project implementation on the project site and the
surrounding area including groundwater related issues.
Overall the Commenter's questions relate to concerns with geology and soils. Please refer to Draft EIR
Section 5.6, Geology and Soils related to existing geology and soils conditions, the related geologic
hazards on the project site, and the potential effects with implementation of the proposed project. This
section also identifies mitigation measures, when applicable, to reduce any potentially significant impacts
and describes the residual impact, if any, after implementation of mitigation measures.
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This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.7
The Commenter's statements related to ground water saturation issues at an off-site location at a distance
away are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the
proposed project. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.4, Hydrology and Flooding related to
potential impacts to hydrology and water quality from project implementation on the project site and the
surrounding area including groundwater related issues. The Commenter's question related to the
potentials, risks, and safety factors are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer
new information related to the proposed project.
Overall the Commenter's questions relate to concerns with geology and soils. Please refer to Draft EIR
Section 5.6, Geology and Soils related to existing geology and soils conditions, the related geologic
hazards on the project site, and the potential effects with implementation of the proposed project. This
section also identifies mitigation measures, when applicable, to reduce any potentially significant impacts
and describes the residual impact, if any, after implementation of mitigation measures.
The Commenter's questions related to risk approval at the City are noted. This comment does not raise
CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's
questions related to indemnification to the City, future property owners, and neighboring properties from
the project applicant are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new
information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's questions related to the City and citizens
taking on risks for the benefit of the developer are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related
issues or offer new information related to the proposed project.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.8
The Commenter's opinions related to wiping out existing plans and open space designations for
development of an over built high density project on ecologically sensitive, dam inundation risk, altered
creek bed watershed that feeds a drinking water reservoir and flows to the Santa Ana and then Pacific
should be a no starter are noted . Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning,
related to adopted plans in the City. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.6, Open Space related to
open space concerns. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.12 Biological Resources related to
ecological sensitivity. Please refer to Section 5.9, Hydrology and Water Quality of the Draft EIR
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specifically page 5.9-51 regarding Dam Failure for additional information. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.4,Hydrology related to the proposed project and flood and dam inundation.
The Commenter's opinions related to proposed project that it destroys too much for too many and in
return gives only high density, traffic, visual and noise pollution while putting future homeowners in a
flood risk dam inundation area that cannot be properly mitigated are noted. The Commenter's opinions
related to upholding the General Plan, OPA Plan, Greenbelt Plan, East Orange Plan and Santiago Creek
Implementation Plan. The Comment "Reject the Rio Santiago Development Plan" are noted. Please refer
to Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics Subsection 2.2.2, Rural Character/Community Character
related to the proposed project and the surrounding Community Character. Please note that the proposed
project as a significant unavoidable impact related to aesthetics. Please refer to Master Response Section
2.8, Transportation and Traff c and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and Tra�c related to traffic
issues. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics Subsection 2.2.2, Rural
Character/Communiry Character related to the proposed project and the surrounding Community
Character. Please note that the proposed project has a significant unavoidable impact related to
aesthetics. Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.12,Noise related to noise issues and concerns. Please refer
to Section 5.9, Hydrology and Water Quality of the Draft EIR specifically page 5.9-51 regarding Dam
Failure far additional information. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.4, Hydrology related to the
proposed project and flood and dam inundation. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use
and Planning, related to adopted plans in the City.
The Commenter's statements related to existing plans and open space designations are noted. Please refer
to Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, related to adopted plans in the City. The
Commenter's statements related to egress, one road access in and out for potentially over 1000 residents,
or need assistance, living in a high density high rise faciliry, families in the East portion, first impact area,
plus perhaps 200 day users in a flood, dam inundation and fire risk site surrounded by a methane leaking
former landfill on the West, a steep creek embankment on the North and a fortress walled community on
a hill to the East with a berm and walled obstruction to the South are noted. Please refer to Draft EIR
Section 5.14, Public Services related to fire risk and services at the project site. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.3, Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8, Hazards and Hazardous
Materials of the Draft EIR related to potential hazards and hazardous effects from the project
implementation on the proposed site and its surrounding area. Please refer to Master Response Section
2.8, Transportation and Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and Tra�c, related to
increase in traffic. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.4,Hydrology related to the proposed project
and flood and dam inundation. Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.6, Geology and Soils related to the
proposed project and soils.
Please note that the Draft EIR discusses at length impacts from a dam failure (starting on Page 5.9-53).
The Draft EIR states that in a highly unlikely circumstance a dam break were to occur, the project site
would be in the path of inundation that would cover the majority of the proposed project site. Therefore,
the proposed project would have the potential to be in the path of inundation were a dam break to occur.
The Draft EIR provides mitigation measures (MM HWQ-1 and MM HWQ-2)
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Additionally, PDF PS-4 requires that prior to the issuance of the grading or building permit, the project
applicant shall submit to the Police Chief or designee, and Community Development Director or
designee, a Construction Phase Emergency Access Plan. PDF PS-5 requires that prior to the approval of
the grading plan or issuance of the first grading or building permit, the project applicant shall submit to
the Police Chief or designee, and Community Development Director or designee, an applicant funded
Operations Emergency Access Plan for on-going proposed project operations showing all proposed means
of emergency access for both police and other emergency personnel into and around the proposed project.
Additionally, PDF HAZ-8 requires that individualized Emergency Evacuation Plans (EEP) shall be
prepared for each planning area by the project applicant to the satisfaction of City Emergency Responder
Department reviewing Staf£ The EEP shall be based on initial anticipated occupancy of the planning
area. The EEP shall be reviewed and revised every five years or when a significant change in structure
use occurs within a planning area. The EEP shall be reviewed by the Directors of Community
Development and Public Works and approved by the Police and Fire Departments prior to the occupancy
of the first structure in each individual Planning Area. Even with implementation of the
recommendations in the EEAS, it would not be possible to completely eliminate the risks associated with
potential dam failure.
The project design component for mitigation to dam break failure has been considered and it is concluded
it is unfeasible to raise the site grading to a level that would mitigate this significant unavoidable
condition. Mitigation Measures HWQ-1 and HWQ-2 would not reduce the potential impact (Impact
HWA-1) and this potential impact remains a significant unavoidable impact. This is because no
mitigation measure can completely eliminate the risk of loss, injury, or death involving flooding as a
result of the failure of a levee or dam. Further, future property purchasers or occupants will be informed
that flood insurance is available to insure their properties against loss in the event of inundation from a
dam break and purchasers or occupants are encouraged to purchase such insurance policies at their
discretion. The disclosure would state that the project lies within the inundation zone and that emergency
response plans are in place and if needed would be implemented. The notification would be made
through escrow instructions at the time of purchase or sooner as needed and would be attached to the
proposed project as a condition of approval prior to occupancy.
Based on the City's General Plan Safety Element,these dam facilities are maintained and safety-inspected
to ensure that risks are minimized; the information provided in Draft EIR, Appendix G, Geotechnical
Investigation suggests that only a very low risk of catastrophic failure exists considering the past
favorable dam inspection reports, the remote location of active faults in the area and the factor of safety
and stringent design criteria used in modern dam design and construction; and, with the incorporation of
Mitigation Measure MM HWQ-1 and MM HWQ-2, the potential impact would be reduced; however, not
to a less than significant level. Therefore, this would remain a significant unavoidable impact due to the
potential for a significant risk of loss, injury, ar death involving flooding, including flooding as a result of
the failure of a levee or dam. With the inclusion of Mitigation Measures HWQ-1 and HWQ-2, the
proposed project impact(Impact HWQ-1)remains a significant unavoidable impact related to being in the
path of inundation were a dam break to occur.
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The Commenter's questions related to the proposed project being designed for a Disaster Movie Script
are noted. This comment does not raise new CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the
proposed project. The Commenter's questions related to the number of lives the City is willing to risk to
make a buck are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information
related to the proposed project. The Commenter's questions related to lowering standards on air, rail and
vehicle travel, removing seat belts, child seats, drinking while driving, and phone use while driving laws;
if they will better serve the Developers bottom line are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related
issues for the project or offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's
statements related to the project site having serious problems in and surrounding inadequate egress for
emergency uses having a multiplier effect on the proposed project are noted. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Tra�c and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and Traffic
related to traffic issues. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information
related to the proposed project.
The Commenter's statements related to nowhere in the surrounding area to the project site were there ever
or are there now any 3 story commercial/multi-family units or commercial buildings planned, permitted
or built and that the 3 story senior units are most properly identified as apartments, multi-family units are
noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, related to adopted plans in
the City. The Commenter's statements related to the change in zoning in this area to accomplish these
results in spot zoning are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning,
Subsection 2.53, Physically Divide an Established Community related to zoning and particularly spot
zoning. The Commenter's statements related to the 80,000 sq. ft., 40,000 sq. ft. footprint multi use
commercial/recreation building also resulting in spot zoning are noted. Please refer to Master Response
Section 2.5,Land Use and Planning, related to zoning.
The Commenter's statements related to the proposed project not fitting the single family residential and
rural residential nature of the surrounding communities are noted. Please refer to Master Response
Section 2.2, Aesthetics Subsection 2.2.2, Rural Character/Community Character related to the proposed
project and the surrounding Community Character. Please note that the proposed project as a significant
unavoidable impact related to aesthetics.
The Commenter's statements related to no Spot Zoning are noted. The Commenter's statements related to
the City already having Spot Zoning problems it is trying to rectify are noted. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, related to zoning and spot zoning. The Commenter's
statements related to creating new problems are not just unwise. It is against current Ciry standards and
guidelines for development are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new
information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's statements related to denial of the Rio
Santiago Plan are noted. The Commenter's opposition to the proposed project is noted. This comment
does not raise CEQA related issues ar off new information related to the proposed project.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
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noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.9
The Commenter's statements related to the previous Fieldstone development plan of the Sully Miller site
are the underground vapor barrier, monitor and warning system plan at the west end of the project site
abutting the former Villa Park Landfill/Methane producing site are noted. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.3, Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8, Hazards and Hazardous
Materials related to the proposed project and the Villa Park Landfill.
The Commenter's statements related to meetings and records reviewed at the time of the Fieldstone
project are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to
the proposed project. The Commenter's statements related to personal observations related to methane
escaping as far away as the tree wells on the south side of Santiago Canyon Road across from the former
Villa Park Landfill site are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3, Hazards and Hazardous
Materials and Section 5.8, Hazards and Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR related to potential
hazards and hazardous effects from the project implementation on the proposed site and its surrounding
area. The Commenter's questions related to testing and agencies involved and making recommendations
for the oversight and mitigation of risks from the methane leakage are noted. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.3, Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8, Hazards and Hazardous
Materials of the Draft EIR related to potential hazards and hazardous effects from the project
implementation on the proposed site and its surrounding area. The Commenter's questions related to
residences in Jamestown, south of the former Villa Park Landfill site testing and test results are noted.
Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3,Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8,Hazards
and Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR related to potential hazards and hazardous effects from the
project implementation on the proposed site and its surrounding area. The Commenter's questions related
to the distance east of the former Villa Park Landfill site between the bedrock and newly re-compacted
dirt for methane travel in 1, 3, 5 or more years are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3,
Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8, Hazards and Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR
related to potential hazards and hazardous effects from the project implementation on the proposed site
and its surrounding area. The Commenter's question related to how long will methane leach from the
Villa Park Landfill site and when will it peak are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3,
Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8, Hazards and Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR
related to potential hazards and hazardous effects from the project implementation on the proposed site
and its surrounding area. The Commenter's questions related to other toxins present at the Villa Park
Landfill site are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3, Hazards and Hazardous Materials
and Section 5.8, Hazards and Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR related to potential hazards and
hazardous effects from the project implementation on the proposed site and its surrounding area. The
Commenter's question related to airborne toxins from the Villa Park Landfill site is noted. Please refer to
Master Response Section 2.3, Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8, Hazards and
Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR related to potential hazards and hazardous effects from the project
implementation on the proposed site and its surrounding area. The Commenter's question related to water
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soluble entering the water supply via the Bond Pit as a result of changes to the conditions at the Sully
Miller site with the proposed development are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3,
Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8, Hazards and Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR
related to potential hazards and hazardous effects from the project implementation on the proposed site
and its surrounding area.
The Commenter's questions related to the health hazards to residents living downwind of the Villa Park
Landfill site when these changes in the topography occur are noted. Please refer to Master Response
Section 2.3,Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8,Hazards and Hazardous Materials of the
Draft EIR related to potential hazards and hazardous effects from the project implementation on the
proposed site and its surrounding area. The Commenter's question related to the effect of high or low
rainfall and ground saturation have on the air and water borne toxins migration is noted. Please refer to
Master Response Section 2.3, Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8, Hazards and
Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR related to potential hazards and hazardous effects from the project
implementation on the proposed site and its surrounding area. The Commenter's questions related to the
health risks and fire/explosion potentials from the methane and or other toxic gases that exist and are
escaping the former Villa Park Landfill site are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3,
Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8, Hazards and Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR
related to potential hazards and hazardous effects from the project implementation on the proposed site
and its surrounding area. The Commenter's question related to measures taken to modify or eliminate
leakage (such as the vapor barrier) push the methane towards existing communities where it may be
impossible to rectify the situation without huge costs and loss of property and property values are noted.
Please refer to Master Response Section 23,Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8,Hazards
and Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR related to potential hazards and hazardous effects from the
project implementation on the proposed site and its surrounding area. The Commenter's question related
to the responsible entity if Mabury Ranch was inundated by methane leakage and problems are noted.
Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3,Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8,Hazards
and Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR related to potential hazards and hazardous effects from the
project implementation on the proposed site and its surrounding area.
The Commenter's question related to City responsibility for problems with site development are noted.
This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed
project. The Commenter's question related to bonding requirements of the project applicant for potential
health, life and property loss due development of the project site are noted. This comment does not raise
CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's question
related to the City retention of experts on the risks, issues, mitigation, and liabilities attendant to the
methane and other toxic gas leakage that exists surrounding the former Villa Park Landfill are noted.
Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3,Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8,Hazards
and Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR related to potential hazards and hazardous effects from the
project implementation on the proposed site and its surrounding area. This comment does not raise
CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project.
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This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.10
The Commenter's statements related to the project applicant's due diligence are noted. This comment
does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. The
Commenter's statements related to personal observations related to the Fieldstone planning process are
noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed
project. The Commenter's question related to the location in the Draft EIR of inethane and potential risks
to existing neighborhoods from mitigation for the development are noted. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.3, Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8, Hazards and Hazardous
Materials of the Draft EIR related to potential hazards and hazardous effects from the project
implementation on the proposed site and its surrounding area.
The Commenter's question related to the domino effect of risk/damage/loss from the changing the
topography, aeration capability, and migration potentials for methane and other toxic substances existent
and escaping from the former Villa Park Landfill site are noted. The County is responsible for the former
Villa Park Landfill. The Commenter's statements related to effect of the "domino effect" are noted. The
County is responsible for the former Villa Park Landfill. Therefare, the County is responsible for the
control of any methane from the former Villa Park Landfill. The Draft EIR did not determine that
methane from the former Villa Park Landfill was impacting the project site. Additionally, even if
proposed project grading did change methane patterns, it would be the responsibility of the County to
control property so as to not impact adjacent properties. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3,
HazaYds and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8, Hazards and Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR
related to potential hazards and hazardous effects from the project implementation on the proposed site
and its surrounding area.
The Commenter's opposition to the proposed project is noted. This comment does not raise CEQA
related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project.
The Commenter's statements related to SCE with a peak energy savings plan and California being short
on power, water, heavily congested roads and highways during peak hours are noted. This comment does
not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. Please refer to
Draft EIR Section 5.17, Utilities and Services Systems related to the proposed project and available
infrastructure. The Commenter's statements related to the City essentially being built out are noted. This
comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project.
The Commenter's statements related to remaining sites like the old Sully Miller property not being
planned for development for the reason of too many liabilities and constraints are noted. This comment
does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. The
Commenter's statements related to sites being the only hope for making up the parks shortage and
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although other Cities and Counties in the State have adopted low or no growth measures in an effort to
keep pace with infrastructure and resources the City is faced with developers looking to maximize land
use with multi-family units that overrun roads and resources are noted. This comment does not raise
CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.7, Recreation and Draft EIR Section 5.15, Recreation related to the proposed project
and parks.
The Commenter's statements related to power, water, sanitation, police, fire, recreation, being squeezed
to add more units in less space are noted. Please note that the proposed project would be required to pay
offset impact fees. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to
the proposed project. The Commenter's question related to roads when the Irvine Company Santiago
Hills Phase II sees the dollar signs large enough to begin construction are noted. This comment does not
raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Tra�c and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and
Tra�c, related to traffic analysis and fair share mitigation of the proposed project. Please note that the
proposed project has significant unavoidable impacts related to transportation and traffic. The
Commenter's questions related to the City's consideration of the project benefits are noted. This
comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.11
The Commenter's questions related to any Orange City Plan are noted. Please refer to Master Response
Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, related to adopted plans in the City. The Commenter's statements
related to the quality of life in Orange are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or
offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's opinions related to open space,
density, trips per day, and unmitigatable hazards to life and property for future residents as well as current
citizens, loss of Open Space, false promise of open space, stream bed responsibility, and risk factors are
noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the
proposed project. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, Section 2.6,
Open Space, Section 2.7, Recreation, and Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic. Please refer to Draft
EIR Section 5.10, Land Use and Pla�rning, Section 5.15, Recreation, and Section 5.16, Transportation
and Traffic.
The Commenter's opinions related to other recreational opportunities, spot zoned commercial buildings,
dam inundation zone, methane leakage risks to the children, and project benefits are noted. This comment
does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. Please refer
to Master Response Section 23, Hazards and Hazardous Materials, Master Response Section 2.5, Land
Use and Planning, Section 2.6, Open Space, and Section 2.7, Recreation. Please refer to Draft EIR
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Section 5.10, Land Use and Planning, Section 5.15, Recreation, and Section 5.16, Transportation and
Traffic. �
The Commenter's statements related to risk reward are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related
issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter has not provided any data
to support in change in this analysis.
The Commenter's statements related to needing or wanting the proposed project related to health, finance
and resource risks, losses and dangers created by the proposed project are noted. This comment does not
raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter has
not provided any data to support in change in this analysis. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3,
Hazards and Hazardous Materials, Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, Section 2.6,
Open Space, Section 2.7, Recreation, and Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic. Please refer to Draft
EIR Section 5.10, Land Use and Planning, Section 5.15, Recreation, and Section 5.16, Transportation
and Traffic.
The Commenter's statements related to denial of the proposed project are noted. This comment does not
raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.12
The Commenter's statements related to the usage of the term "global warming"'being misleading or lead
to the idea that the total threat is an arid ar desert condition are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA
related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's statements
related to global climate change being more descriptive of what the global warming effect. In the last 500
years there was the little ice age, which NASA determines as from 1550 to 1850 although other experts
date it differently shows that weather anomalies are possible without the causes believed to be at the
center of current concerns are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new
information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's statements related to the potentials vary
worldwide are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related
to the proposed project. The Commenter's statements related to flooding may increase or drought may
prevail in an area. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to
the proposed project. The Commenter's statements related to a decidedly cooler spring are noted. This
comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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Response to Comment 57.13
The Commenter's statements related to evaluation of the comments by the City are noted. This comment
does not raise CEQA related issues ar offer new information related to the proposed project. The
Commenter's question related to City and County plans are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA
related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's opinions
related to dense population, mega vehicle trips per day, police and fire expense, light, noise and potential
toxic air and water pollution, dam inundation, toxicity, egress and other problems are noted. This
comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project.
The Commenter's statements related to spot zoning are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section
2.5, Land Use and Planning, related to zoning. The Commenter's statements related to contamination
risks are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3, Hazards and Hazardous Materials and
Section 5.8, Hazards and Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR related to potential hazards and
hazardous effects from the project implementation on the proposed site and its surrounding area. The
Commenter's statements related to flood are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.4,
Hydrology and Flooding related to potential impacts to hydrology and water quality from project
implementation on the project site and the surrounding area including flooding issues.
The Commenter's statements related to inundation risks are noted. Please refer to Master Response
Section 2.4 Hydrology and Flooding related to potential impacts to hydrology and water quality from
project implementation on the project site and the surrounding area including inundation risk issues. The
Commenter's statements related to plans are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5, Land
Use and Planning, related to adopted plans in the City. The Commenter's statements related to
surrounding established communities and the City are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related
issues or offer new information related to the proposed project.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.14
The Commenter's questions related to City plans are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5,
Land Use and Planning, related to adopted plans in the City. The Commenter's opinion related to
unavoidable impacts is noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information
related to the proposed project. The Commenter's question related to the City accepting the EIR that does
not consider the full effects of the project in light of existing entitlements like Santiago Hills Phase II with
traffic and impacts are noted. Please refer to Master Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic and Draft
EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and Tra�c, related to potential impacts to transportation and traffic
from project implementation on the project site and the surrounding area. The Commenter's statements
related to the proposed project and related project effects on water, runoff, creek flow, traffic, ground
water and air pollution are noted. See Master Response Section 2.9, Cumulative Impacts related to
comments pertaining to cumulative consideration of potential impacts relating to "water, runoff, creek
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flow, traffic, ground water and air pollution." Please refer to Master Response Section 2.4, Hydrology
and Flooding related to potential impacts to hydrology and water quality from project implementation on
the project site and the surrounding area. The Commenter's question related to potential risks, hazards,
and negatives that will impact the 50,000 plus users of Katella/Santiago including the City of Villa Park,
Toll Road, Jamboree Road, and regional parks users are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section
2.8, Transportation and Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and Traffic, related to
potential impacts to transportation and traffic from project implementation on the project site and the
surrounding area.
The Commenter's question related to what impacts from changes in topography, channelization, runoff,
and global weather changes would have on the Bond Pit downstream are noted. This comment does not
raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. Changes to project
site topography are not anticipated to have an effect on the Bond Pit downstream of the project site. No
data has been provided that would establish this as a potential project impact. Please refer to Master
Section Response 2.4,Hydrology and Flooding related to impacts from channelization and runof£ Please
refer to Draft EIR Section 5.7, Greenhouse Gas Emissions related to global weather effects.
The Commenter's question related to the potential increased sedimentation of the area north of the Katella
Bond Pit crossing and increased hillside saturation as water backs up and increased landslide as already
occurs impedes or takes out the Bridge are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.4,Hydrology
and Flooding related to potential impacts to hydrology and water quality from project implementation on
the project site and the surrounding area. The Commenter's statements related to the bridge crossing
being out as recently as 1980 are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new
information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's statements related to 2 previous bridges
that were never expected to fail are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.4, Hydrology and
Flooding related to potential impacts to hydrology and water quality from project implementation on the
project site and the surrounding area.
The Commenter's statements related the current traffic count increases are noted. Please refer to Master
Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and Traffic, related to
potential impacts to transportation and traffic from project implementation on the project site and the
surrounding area. The Commenter's asks how will the grading, construction, ROMP, compaction, vapor
barriers, building weight loads and increased traffic effect the toxic landfill, emissions into ground, water
and air, the creek flow after 4000 SH Phase II properties water runoff flows through Handy Creek and
meets Santiago Creek at the project site to silt and dam the Cannon ar Katella crossings and creating
ponding back up or wash out? The comment is noted. This comment does not raise new CEQA related
issues. The DEIR Geology and Soils, Hydrology and Water Quality, Hazards and Hazardous Materials,
Transportation and Traffic, Air Quality, and Cumulative Analysis sections have a mandatory thresholds
analysis related to the Commenter's questions. The question/comment does not offer new information
related to the proposed project.
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The Commenter's opinions related to the effects of global climate change on the water flow, flood
potential, dam inundation, the toxic landfill problems, and the potential flooding on the proposed project
are noted. Global Climate Change, in relation to the project's greenhouse gas contributions and in terms
of how global warming would affect the project site is discussed in Technical Appendix H of the DEIR.
This opinion requires speculative evaluation beyond the requirements of the State CEQA Guidelines.
This comment does not raise new CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed
project. The Commenter's question related to the number of body bags needed to prove that the present
project is not proper for the project site is noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or
offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's question related to does it take 1
million, 5 million, or 25 million dollars in property damage and loss to prove that the proposed site has
too many risks and problems to be suited for the proposed development are noted. This comment does not
raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's
statement related to it being unsuitable for any permanent structures to be on the project site with global
weather changes is noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information
related to the proposed project. The Commenter's questions related to what will happen with the level of
the ocean rising affecting ground water levels are noted. This question requires speculative evaluation
beyond the requirements of the State CEQA Guidelines. This comment does not raise CEQA related
issues or offer new information related to the proposed project.
The Commenter's questions and comments related to aquifer re-charge, water supply, monitoring, not
raising levels so much as to inundate low lying homes and businesses are noted. Please refer to Master
Response Section 2.4, Hydrology and Flooding related to potential impacts to hydrology and water
quality from project implementation on the project site and the surrounding area including groundwater
related issues. The Commenter's question related to Bond Pit re-charge of the aquifers with water runoff
stored is noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3, Hazards and Hazardous Materials and
Section 5.8, Hazards and Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR related to potential hazards and
hazardous effects from the project implementation on the proposed site and its surrounding area.
Additionally,please refer to Responses to Comments 57.6, 57.9 and 57.14 above.
The Commenter's questions related to changes in the sea levels or changes downstream are noted. This
opinion requires speculative evaluation beyond the requirements of the State CEQA Guidelines Please
refer to Master Response Section 2.3, Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8, Hazards and
Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR related to potential hazards and hazardous effects from the project
implementation on the proposed site and its surrounding area.
The Commenter's statements related to the Bond Pit, past flooding, past property damage, potential
landslides, potential road flooding/removal, potential destabilized slopes, cliff face erosion, risk
potentials, mitigation and financial responsibility, re-routed traffic, effects on residents and commerce
global weather changes, creek re-routing, compaction, runoff, absorption, and load changes are noted.
The DEIR Geology and Soils, Hydrology and Water Quality, Hazards and Hazardous Materials,
Transportation and Traffic and Cumulative Analysis sections of the DEIR have a mandatory thresholds
analysis providing CEQA-related answers to the commenter's CEQA applicable questions and comments.
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The questions/comments do not offer new information related to the proposed project and some of the
comments are not CEQA related issues. This opinion requires speculative evaluation beyond the
requirements of the State CEQA Guidelines Responses to non-CEQA related issues are not provided.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.15
The Commenter's statements related to personal observations on the purpose of planning, of CEQA, of
liabilities, risks, impacts across the board, mitigation, and proper reason to over-ride minor faults are
noted. This comment does not provide specificity or raise CEQA related issues or offer new information
related to the proposed project. The Commenter's statements related to potentials for failure and hazards
not addressed in the Draft EIR are noted. This comment does not provide specificity or raise CEQA
related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's statements
related to errors in the Draft EIR not being minor are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related
issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's statements related to
the project not fitting the communities or City are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related
issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's statements that the
proposed project is not safe nor an environmental fit are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA
related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's statements
related to health and safeties being serious issues are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related
issues ar offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's question related to the
proposed project fit with the surrounding communities is noted. Please refer to Master Response Section
2.5,Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.5.3,Physically Divide an Established Community related to the
proposed project and the surrounding community and zoning. The Commenter's questions related to the
City General Plan are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5,Land Use and Planning, related
to adopted plans in the City. The Commenter's question related to the East Orange Plan, Greenway Plan,
OPA Plan or any existing City and County plan are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5,
Land Use and Planning, related to adopted plans in the City.
The Commenter's question related to flooding risks, dam inundation risks, and other safety risks being
fully and properly addressed, corrected and/or mitigated are noted. Please refer to Master Response 2.4,
Hydrology and Flooding related to potential impacts to hydrology and water quality from project
implementation on the project site and the surrounding area. The Commenter's question related to the
City placing the lives and property of its citizens at risk is noted. This comment does not raise CEQA
related issues ar offer new information related to the proposed project.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
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noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.16
The Commenter's statements related to impacts from proposed lighting pollution are noted. Please refer
to Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics related to light and glare impacts. The Commenter's
statements related to commercial buildings are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5, Land
Use and Planning, related to the designation of buildings as commercial or residential in the City. The
Commenter's statements related to high density are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5,
Land Use and Planning, related to housing density. Additionally, please refer to Master Response
Section 2.2,Aesthetics related to density of the project and surrounding communities. The Commenter's
statements related to out of character residences are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.2,
Aesthetics related to community character. Please note that the proposed project has significant
unavoidable impacts related to aesthetics regarding lighting and buildings.
The Commenter's statements related to over building egress safety issues and huge traffic impacts are
noted. Please refer to Master Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16,
Transportation and Traffic, related to increases in traffic. The Commenter's question related to other
issues being corrected is noted. These comments do not raise CEQA related issues or offer new
information related to the proposed project.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.17
The Commenter's question related to safety and impact of the site access/egress being in agreement with
the use and flow of Santiago Canyon Road are noted. The Commenter's question related to impacts
already entitled but not in operation by SH Phase II are noted. The Commenter's question related to
constraints on the westbound route through the City of Villa Park where the road narrows and cannot be
widened without eminent domain and destruction of existing homes is noted. The Commenter's question
related to freeway access is noted. The Commenter's questions related to protecting surrounding
communities from impacts from traffic congestion are noted. The Commenter's traffic questions were
analyzed in the DEIR and the impacts have been disclosed. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.8,
Transportation and Tra�c and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and Traffic, related to potential
impacts to transportation and traffic from project implementation on the project site and the surrounding
area.
The Commenter's question related multi- family units egress, parking, and traffic are noted. Please refer
to Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation
and Traffzc, related to potential impacts to transportation and traffic from project implementation on the
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project site and the surrounding area. The Commenter's statements related to the senior designation and
units in the proposal not fitting the area are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.2,Aesthetics
related to community character. The Commenter's statements related to multi-family zoning having
greater impacts on traffic, schools,parks, and other issues in significantly greater ways than"senior"units
are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic and Draft EIR Section
5.16, Transportation and Tra�c, related to potential impacts to transportation and traffic from project
implementation on the project site and the surrounding area. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5,
Land Use and Planning, related to zoning.
The Commenter's statements related to senior or multi-family units and the City General Plan, any other
plan or the communities in the area are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5,Land Use and
Planning, related to adopted plans in the City. The Commenter's statements related to spot zoning are
noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5,Land Use and Planning, related to zoning.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.18
The CEQA applicable portions of the Commenter's questions have been analyzed and disclosed in the
Draft EIR, Master Responses, and in priar responses to this comment letter. As such, the questions raised
do not provide specific information that would lead the City to believe that additional analysis or
disclosures are merited. The project would be required to adhere to all other laws and agency
requirements cited by the Commenters. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new
information related to the proposed project
The Commenter's statements related to the Draft EIR missing more than it addresses and should be
handed back with the full current CEQA laws and rulings, State studies of the threat of the rising ocean
levels, studies on the health hazards of the former Villa Park Landfill and the dangers of landfills
information, copies of the California Health and Safety Codes, Orange County Health and Safety Codes,
AQMD, EPA, FEMA, SMARA State, Federal and County Flood Control Regulations, Wildlife, Fish and
Game Manuals and laws, Army Corps of Engineers Regulations, Federal Mining clean up documentation
and regulations, State and Federal Natives Peoples sensitivity information and Rights documents, State
and Federal Dam Inundation Rules and Regulations, oversight and safety issues, copies of the existing
City and County agreed Plans for the area which should include copies of the Greenway Plan, the East
Orange Plan the Santiago Creek Plan and the OPA Plan, a copy of the Orange General Plan with the 2010
plan updated areas zoned for multi-family zoning highlighted in neon currency green far them are noted.
The DEIR addresses all mandatory thresholds of CEQA and the City's Local CEQA Guidelines. The
project would be required to adhere to all other laws and agency requirements cited by the Commenter.
This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed
proj ect.
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This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.19
The Commenter's statements related to personal observations related to a "deeply flawed" and "poorly
done" Draft EIR that should be discarded to start over are noted. The Commenter's statements related to
personal observations related to serious shortcoming that the Draft EIR process does not have a detailed,
delineated form that ensures that all issues are fully met and addressed prior to submission are noted. The
Commenter's statements related to personal observations that the Commenter is appalled that City Staff
has to do and re-do the work of the project applicant and that it requires citizen vigilance and intervention
to protect the public are noted. The statements do not raise CEQA related issues ar offer new information
related to the proposed project.
The Commenter's personal observations related to Orange County development history, the City's built
out status, the project site's park potential, in-lieu park fees related to Grijalva, park space stolen from the
Irvine land, politics, developer money and compromise are noted. The comments do not raise CEQA
related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's statement
related to lost open space designated land destined for parks being replaced with an "ill-fitting, risk
overrun, impossible to correct, un-mitigatable, toxic time bomb, project is noted. This comment does not
raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.20
The Commenter's statement that the traffic section of the Draft EIR notes that the City is responsible for
the streets is noted. The Commenter's inquiry about the City's responsibility to require the developer to
compensate the City for future impacts created is noted. For the traffic related statements and comments,
please refer to Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16,
Transportation and Traffic, related to potential impacts to transportation and traffic from project
implementation on the project site and the surrounding area. The Commenter's recollection of Planning
Commission and City Council meetings when the Irvine Company sought approvals is noted. This
comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project.
The Commenter's statement related to how mitigation may mean dollars from developers to make
improvements is noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information
related to the proposed project.
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The Commenter's opinion that the proposed project has potential liabilities and egress issues is noted.
Without factual backing refuting the DEIR analysis, this comment does not raise CEQA related issues or
offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's statement related to the
cumulative effect of approved projects plus the project creating over population per square acre and
creating a giant parking lot form Santiago Canyon Road from the I-55 to Jamboree Road is noted.
Without factual backing refuting the DEIR analysis, this comment does not raise CEQA related issues or
offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's statement that since the
Developer sees the roads as the City's problem, the City needs to acknowledge the problem and deny the
proposed project is noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information
related to the proposed project. The Commenter's statements regarding the project applicant providing
full mitigation for the proposed projects impacts are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related
issues or offer new information related to the proposed project.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.21
The Commenter's statements related to hazards are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3,
Hazards and Hazardous Materials and Section 5.8, Hazards and Hazardous Materials of the Draft EIR
related to potential hazards and hazardous effects from the project implementation on the proposed site
and its surrounding area. The Commenter's statements related to"Creek Plans" are noted. Please refer to
Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, related to adopted plans in the City. This
comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project.
The Commenter's statements related to project site entitlements are noted. This comment does not raise
CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's personal
observations related to the project applicant are noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues
or offer new information related to the proposed project. The Commenter's statements related to previous
planning is noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, related to
adopted plans in the City. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues ar offer new information
related to the proposed project.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 57.22
The Commenter's statements related to previous plans are noted. The Commenter's statements that the
referenced plans should not be corrupted, removed or cut from the property's conditions or approvals are
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noted. The applicant has the right to propose changes to the City's General Plan, including the Orange
Park Acres Plan and East Orange General Plan. The applicant has a right to propose a Specific Plan for
the project area. The City has not made any predetermination on the project and the City did not initiate
the application requesting the project. The Commenter's statements statement related to the attached City
Council Minutes on May 18, 1976 are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.5,Land Use and
Planning, related to adopted plans in the City. This includes the dates the City reviewed and approved
adopted plans.
The Commenter's opinion related to the City hiring additional consultants for project review is noted.
Please note that the Planning Center was retained by the City to review portions of the DEIR. This
comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new information related to the proposed project.
The Commenter's question related to the number of body bags needed to prove that the present project is
not proper for the project site is noted. This comment does not raise CEQA related issues or offer new
information related to the proposed project.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council far consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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Jakki Tonkovich
�rom: Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb@cityoforange.org>
oent: Monday, July O1, 2013 12:13 PM
To; Megan Penn;Jakki Tonkovich; Fred Talarico;Jackie Bateman
��; Leslie Roseberry
Subject: FW: Rio Santiago Project Should Be Disapproved
FYI...
-----Original Message-----
From:J Allison [mailto:ieallison@sbc�lobal.net]
Sent: Friday,June 28, 2013 1:46 PM
To: Chad Ortlieb; dpauly@villapark.or; jhildenbrand@villapark.ar�
Subject: Rio Santiago Project Should Be Disapproved
I feel that this project as it is put forward is flawed and has a lot of problems with traffic, safety, landfill gas,flood,fire,
financial, recreational and ethical issues.
First is the traffic, already traffic is heavy morning and evening on Santiago Canyon Rd/Villa Park Rd and the density of
this project would make it intolerably worse. Most of the traffic from the project would be trying to go to or come from
the 55 freeway which would take it right through Villa Park causing extreme congestion. I live on a cul de sac off of Villa
Park Rd and it is already difficult to nearly impossible to make a left a lot of the time and even to turn right it is 58.1
sometimes a problem with traffic backed up from Wanda almost a half mile to the east. If it gets much worse, I can see
hat Villa Park will need to add stoplights at every street intersecting Villa Park Rd just so we can get out of our
neighbourhoods. This would then back the traffic up past Hewes to the east, almost back to the project itself. I don't
see people going down Hewes to get to Chapman to go the the 55. Also, increased traffic through Villa Park is a real
safety concern. During school time,there are kids crossing Villa Park Rd to get to and from Villa Park Elementary, Cerro
Villa,Villa Park High School and others and as traffic increases,the chances of someone running a red light or driving in
the bike lanes increases substantially, creating an intolerable situation of the safety of our kids, especially from the the
older drivers that would be expected from the senior housing and all the traffic to and from a large recreational
complex.
Another concern is the methane gas from the landfill, since the wind is often from the southwest,wouldn't the gas tend 58 2
to blow over to the multistory senior housing and pool/build up there causing safety concerns for the seniors.
Then there is also the issue of the housing being on a flood plain and the likelihood of a flood some time in the future
causing property destruction and a safety concern for the residents of the project. 58.3
Approval of the project would seem to put the city at risk financially as the city would likely be sued for approving a
project on a flood plain when the floods do happen.
Another concern is fire,there seems to be only one exit for project for all residents and if a fire came blowing in from
Santiago Oaks park, it seems that it would be a problem for all the residents to be able to get out in time with only one 58.4
entrance and exit.
Financially for the city, it seems that this project would be costly as a high density senior residence would require a lot of 58 �
city services that the city does not have now and would not receive enough revenue to cover the cost of adding more.
�here is also a substantial recreational impact from this project.
�
Currently many, many cyclists use Santiago Canyon Rd and it will become substantially more dangerous with all the
traffic from this project and there is a high likelihood of vehicle/cyclist accidents occurring, especially from the senior
facility. It will also make the newly completed Santiago trail section much more dangerous where it crosses Santiago 58�i
Canyon Rd at Hewes for walkers, hikers and cyclists.
It also seems that as this is an active watercourse, it would require approval from a number of Federal and State
agencies such as the U.S. 58 �
Army Corps of Engineers, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services, California Department of Fish and Game and many others
before the city could even consider the project.
Even more basic is the fact that the developer bought the property knowing the zoning and bought it would that
restriction. I believe in property rights but the developer got the property at the price they did because of the restricted
rights. Granting the zoning change is basically the city giving the developer millions of dollars for which they are not
entitled. If a person in a residential area requested that their property be rezoned to commercial making it worth more, 58.E
is the city going to grant their request, I don't think so, so why should the city do so on a larger scale. It doesn't make
any logical sense.
I will be recommending that the city of Villa Park go on record as being opposed to this project due to the substantial
negative impacts to Villa Park.
For all of these reasons, I request that this project be disapproved by the Orange City Council.
Thanks,
James Allison
10371 Kenwick Dr.
Villa Park, CA 92861
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LETTER 58
Date: June 28, 2013
James Allison
Response to Comment 58.1
The introduction comment in the first sentence is responded to in Responses 58.1-58.8 that follow. The
Commenter's statements related to increase in traffic are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section
2.8, Transportation and Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and Traffic, related to
increase in traffic. This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because
it does not raise any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR.
However, it is noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for
consideration. No further responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 58.2
The Commenter's statements related to wind direction from the southwest blowing methane gas to the
multi-story senior housing and pool/building are noted. Landfill gas naturally vented into the air at a
landfill surface is carried by the wind. The wind dilutes the gas with fresh air as it moves it to areas
beyond the IandfilL Wind speed and direction determine the gas's concentration in the air,which can vary
greatly from day to day, even hour by hour. In the early morning, for example, winds tend to be gentle
and provide the least dilution and dispersion of the gas to other areas.
Wind direction would not be anticipated to have an effect on potential methane gas migration in the soil.
Please refer to Master Response Section 2.3,Hazards and Hazardous Materials related to methane on the
project site. The Commenter has not provided any data to support in change in this analysis. This
information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise any
issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is noted
and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 58.3
The Commenter's statements related to flood plain are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section
2.4, Hydrology, Subsection 2.4.4, Dam Failure related to the proposed project and the potential of dam
failure. Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.9, Hydrology and Water Quality page 5.9-13, topic
Floodplain Mapping related to the proposed project and flood plain status. This information does not
change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise any issues related to the
adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is noted and will be
provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further responses are
necessary.
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Response to Comment 58.4
The Commenter's statements related to fire are noted. Please refer to Draft EIR Section 5.14, Public
Services related to increase in fire and police load. Additionally, please note that the proposed project
includes a Fire Master Plan (Draft EIR Figure 5.8-1, Conceptual Fire Master Plan). Please refer to
Section 5.8,Hazards and Hazardous Materials Threshold HAZ-G and HAZ-H (page 5.8-16 to 5.8-19).
This information does not change the analysis ar conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 58.5
The Commenter's statements related to density correlating to the cost of City services are noted. Please
refer to Draft EIR Section 5.14, Public Services related to increase in public services. This information
does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise any issues related to
the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is noted and will be
provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further responses are
necessary.
Response to Comment 58.6
The Commenter's statements related to traffic, cyclists, walkers, and hikers are noted. Please refer to
Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and
Tra�c, related to increase in traffic. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.7, Recreation related to
recreation of the proposed project. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.7, Recreation, Subsection
2.7.2, Trails related to trails proposed project. This information does not change the analysis or
conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise any issues related to the adequacy of environmental
analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is noted and will be provided to the Planning
Commission and City Council for consideration. No further responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 58.7
The Commenter's statements related to active watercourse with required approval are noted. Please refer
to Draft EIR Section 5.4, Biological Resources, related to permits required for the proposed project.
Additionally, the Draft EIR Section 3.0, Project Description, Subsection 3.4.10, Other Additional
Agencies Expected to Use this EIR, lists other agencies expected to use the EIR for permitting purposes.
Please note that the approval by the City of the proposed project is required prior to actions by Resource
Agencies. Resource Agencies are provided copies of the EIR and may comment during public review
periods. Additionally, the project applicant may begin the Resource Agency review process during the
City's review.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
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noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 58.8
The Commenter's statements related to property rights and rezoning the project site are noted. Please
refer to Master Response Section 2.5, Land Use and Planning, Subsection 2.5.3, Physically Divide an
Established Community related to the proposed project and the surrounding community and zoning. This
information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise any
issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is noted
and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
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LETTER 59
Jakki Tonkovich
From: Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb@cityoforange.org>
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 12:14 PM
To: Megan Penn;Jakki Tonkovich; Fred Talarico;Jackie Bateman
<<: Leslie Roseberry
Subject: FW: proposed Rio Santiago development
FYI...
From: Gaither, Maryann [mailto:Maryann.Gaither �mulex.Com]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 2:39 PM
To: Chad Ortlieb
Subject: proposed Rio Santiago development
Chad,
It saddens me to learn of the high-density units proposed in rura� East Orange and yet again no plans for open space.
Each year The City of Orange continues to grow but also continues to lose public open spaces.
A city needs a place its residents can relax with family and neighbors.
It doesn't need high density residential areas, "exclusive, luxury"apartments and crowded streets and schools.
59.1
We have sadly lost our Ridgeline County Club, the SuperSports Recreation area will all too soon be gone to high density
homes and now I learn of the Rio Santiago Development. PLEASE help stop the destruction of Orange.
I will only list my concerns over the Rio Santiago Development in this email.
1. Traffic! Santiago street even if made into a 6 lane road will have cumulative traffic issues since the Irvine company
already has plans for homes on nearby Jamboree.
2. There is no public free open space. I see plans for a privately owned park. 5g.2
3. It will have a trail to nowhere! Why would anyone want that? 59.3
4. The 395 units on 60 acres does not fit into the existing neighborhood. I envision homes that are too ctose and lacking
garages to house the owner's cars. There is nothing more unsightly than a neighborhood with the streets packed full of 59.4
cars.
5. Why the Senior Assisted & Skilled Nursing unit? This is nothing more than high density apartments. Also, there are no 59.5
nearby amenities that seniors need. This part of the plan really makes no sense.
6. Then there are the 50 acres of flood space that the developer cannot use and is trying to get the city to take. They are
trying to label it as a gift! I think that one very expensive gift! 59.6
Maryann Gaither
132 Caile Alta
Orange, CA 92869
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LETTER 59
Date: June 28,2013
Maryann Gaither
Response to Comment 59.1
The Commenter's statements related to increase in traffic loss of open space are noted. Please refer to
Master Response Section 2.8, Transportation and Traffic and Draft EIR Section 5.16, Transportation and
TYaffic, related to increase in traffic. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.6, Open Space,
Subsection 2.6.1, Loss of Open Space related to the proposed project impact on open space. This
information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise any
issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is noted
and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 59.2
The Commenter's statements related to no public free open space and privately owned park are noted.
Please refer to Master Response Section 2.6, Open Space, Subsection 2.6.1,Loss of Open Space related to
the proposed project impact on open space. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.7, Recreation,
Subsection 2.7.1,Parks related to parks and the proposed project. This information does not change the
analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise any issues related to the adequacy of
environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is noted and will be provided to the
Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 59.3
The Commenter's statements related to trails to nowhere are noted. Please refer to Master Response
Section 2.7, Recreation, Subsection 2.7.2, Trails related to trail connections and the proposed project.
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 59.4
The Commenter's statements related to not fitting into the existing neighborhood and lack of garages to
house the owner's cars are noted. Please refer to Master Response Section 2.2, Aesthetics, Subsection
2.2.2, Rural Character/Community Character related to the community character/environment of the
surrounding area, including density and the project site. This information does not change the analysis or
conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise any issues related to the adequacy of environmental
analysis conducted in the Draft EIR However, it is noted and will be provided to the Planning
Commission and City Council for consideration. No further responses are necessary.
Page 3-412 City of Orange-Response to Comments/Final EIR—December 2013
SCH No. 2009051072 Rio Santiago Project
3.0 Comments and Responses
Response to Comment 59.5
The Commenter's statements related to high density units and amenities for seniors are noted. Please
refer to Draft EIR Section 5.10,Land Use and Planning related to the consistency of the proposed project
with adopted plans and programs. The location of commercial and medical services and facilities related
to the proposed project is not a CEQA issue. For information only, it can be noted that the nearest
commercial center (i.e., shopping opportunity) is located 2.5 miles from the project site. The nearest
medical services (i.e., emergency walk-in) are located 5 miles from the project site. Major medical
services are provided in the City at St. Joseph's Hospital and CHOC Children's Hospital (7 miles from
the project site).
This information does not change the analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise
any issues related to the adequacy of environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is
noted and will be provided to the Planning Commission and City Council for consideration. No further
responses are necessary.
Response to Comment 59.6
The Commenter's statements related to Planning Area A and flooding are noted. Please refer to Draft
EIR Section 5.10, Hydrology and Water Qualiry, Threshold HWQ-D and Threshold HWQ-I, related to
the proposed project and flooding, including Planning Area A. This information does not change the
analysis or conclusions of the Draft EIR because it does not raise any issues related to the adequacy of
environmental analysis conducted in the Draft EIR. However, it is noted and will be provided to the
Planning Commission and City Council far consideration. No further responses are necessary.
City of Orange-Response to Comments/Final EIR—December 2013 Page 3-413
Rio Santiago Project SCH No. 2009051072
LETTER 60
Jakki Tonkovich
�rom: Chad Ortlieb <cortlieb@cityoforange.org>
�ent: Monday, July O1, 2013 12:18 PM
To: Megan Penn;Jakki Tonkovich; Fred Talarico;Jackie Bateman
Cc: Leslie Roseberry
Subject: FW: Rio DEIR questions and observations
FYI...
From: Charles Leffler [mailto:charlesleffler@ymail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 4:59 PM
To: Chad Ortlieb
Subject: Rio DEIR questions and observations
City of Orange Planning Department
Orange Mayor and Council
28 June 2013
ADDITIONAL LETTER RE: THE RIO DEIR
Thank you for the opportunity to comment on this important document
that concerns the health and safety of East Orange and the responsibilities of
the City of Orange. Due to the scope and magnitude of concerns I wrote 2
letters that may have some overlap but were intended to fully address the
negative factors I am aware of and the serious lack if proper mitigation and
agency notification addressed in the DEIR. I apologize if there are repetitions
to my other submission but there are new or different observations, questions
and concerns in each letter. At the bottom of my 60.1
questions are links and information that pertains to more current landfill
standards than we suffer with the closed Villa Park Landfill. The risks are
magnified here due to the fact that the VP Landfill was prior to many of the
oversights that started being put in place in the 80's and 90's. Some of the
risks to homes in the proximity of the Landfill may only be multiplied while a
false hope of 'protection' is instilled in the Public by use of Vapor Barriers on
.he proposed project site to isolate toxins escaping from the closed landfill.
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Creating a false safety valve that is guaranteed to fail as noted
in the LANDFILL, HAZARDOUS TO THE ENVIRONMENT pages at the
bottom of my perspective will cost the potential Rio home buyers, the
neighboring homeowners and the City of Orange huge in health, safety
and economic costs. Perhaps you are familiar with California's 10 year
construction defect laws? The time runs from the close of sale date on
the finished ready to occupy unit. That is 10 years past completion of
the project for the skeletons not properly handled while this developer
has moved on. Buyers who discover erosion, corrosion, toxic
emissions, seepage and then the ordinary and usual construction faults
will have time to wonder how this project made it through the Planning
and approval Process. Many in the City of Orange have to already seen
some of the shortcomings of this Plan for a highly sensitive site
adjacent to a valuable water asset that has already been corrupted by 6o t
an old improper decision to place a landfill next to a waterway. What is
that saying about not defecating where you dine? Later, a recharge pit
was constructed downstream. Am I the only one who sees a problem
here? How many more errors can be compounded before we are being
evacuated from the newest 'Love Canal'?
Recently near Norco there were ground and water
contamination problems from a business with poor hazardous waste
practices. Such practices were spoken of on the old Sully Miller
property going back prior to and possibly after such disposal of toxic
waste was illegal. Covering the illegal activity with 20 foot of fill does not
eradicate the problem. Since no proper oversight was was required with
the recent mountains of fill dirt dumped at the Sully mine site we can
only start where we are. What toxins, chemicals, pollutants from illegal
dumping, the asphalt operation or the concrete crushing operations
exist and need to be properly cleaned up from the site?
Read a bag of ready mix concretes warning label. Or inhale a
few pounds of concrete powder if you do not believe the warning. It is
not safe for human consumption. It is an skin and eye irritant and in
other words membrane irritant. Sinuses and Lungs are such
membranes. I am surprised some enterprising Class Action Legal
Group has not rounded up the residents downwind of the site for a real
shot at the big time. There may be a legal right to do the crushing
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operation on the former mine site. That right does not include polluting
the air and water or putting the health of people at risk. If people want
+hose risks they can take up smoking. However they cannot Smoke in a
Public Building or nearly any building or on Public Beaches, so then
does the concrete crushing operation have the right to pollute the air
and water? Does the City have the experts on Staff to oversee and
regulate the operation? Has the City kept the State and Federal Mining
agencies involved in oversight? Is Milan culpable as the landowner or is 60.1
the licensee fully responsible? Did the City or is it Now doing its due �°nt
diligence and protecting the health and welfare of the Public? What will
be the effects of the clearing of the site of the operation? What damage
is or will be done to the soil and adjacent creek? Who is setting the
standards for reclamation? Who is overseeing it? Who is paying for it?
Why has the concrete pile grown 3 fold or more instead of moving
constantly off the site if it is in such demand? Is the IRRITANT being
used a a negative pry to win public support for the project?. In so doing,
is Milan deliberately polluting the air and water, risking the health of the
affected neighbors in an effort to get approval of their project? At what
,�oint would such Corporate behavior be criminal? What is a acceptable
weapon to coerce public acceptance of Corporate aims? Does the City
of Orange recognize, admit and seek a resolution to the problem? Will
the crushing pollution be properly mitigated prior to and whether or not
the project is approved?
Keeping in mind, Recycling was hardly a thought at the time of
the Villa Park Landfill's operation. During the War, OK, but in times of
plenty. sorry. The chemical and toxin make up of current landfill
operations is merely a shadow of what may exist in the old Villa Park
landfill. The fact that the site abuts a Creek is a enormous concern. The
situation with that Creek not only flowing to the Ocean only after settling 60.2
in the Bond Pit which reloads the Aquifers on which many in the North
County draw on for Drinking Water is insane. All the recent dirt moving
at the Sully Miller site may have already seriously impacted the landfill.
Since no study was done and no base line was done due to the City's
non expert approval and no oversight of the process leaves questions
as to where we stand now and what the future impacts on the
surrounding area will be as well as what the risks for the Bond Pit and
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Water Supply. High Cancer rates in the East Orange area have been
questioned for years. Many questions have been raised as to a
possible link between the OPA Water, now IRWD service and water
drawn on the Bond Pit area aquifers. What the City does not know may
adversely affect generations. The City needs to get all the studies and
answers before approving anything at the Sully Miller Property.
Please read all the data from all the links provided and include them
as part of the Rio DEIR questions to be answered. The health and
safety of the Public is part of the City's trust. The landfill belongs to the
County and therefore the County, State and Federal Agencies need to
have awareness and input. County, State and Federal guidelines need
to be fully understood, addressed and followed.
On another note, during the operation of the Sully Miller Hanson
operations there was settling ponds that were rumored to be 'private 60,
dump sites' for discarded vehicle batteries, used oil from equipment oil
changes and other toxic materials. My information is all second hand
but it is up to
the City to contact and handle the situation with State Mining and or
Federal agencies.
I have heard that some group wants to help Orange Unified with a
potential school site at the project site. Seriously, with the Landfill and
Private Dumping, Dam Inundation and Sinkhole Potential on top of the
Egress issues maybe Orange Unified should consider making use of
their existing Peralta site....but in no way should the Sully Miller
Property a School Site. Toxins in the ground, air and water, sinkhole
potential, dam inundation area....what a waste of taxpayer dollars and a
risk to our children.
All the information below including all links pertain to some of the
current 'think' on LANDFILLS. The Sully Miller site needs serious
investigation by competent third party oversight. The hazards of the
landfill, illegal 'private dump sites' and water contamination coupled
with 25 year, 50 year and 100 year flooding compounding with the dam
inundation risks are all huge factors that have not been properly
considered and handled or mitigated. The real risk of sinkhole or
subsidence putting lives and property requires real geological and
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hydrological investigation and mitigation. If anything like the proposed
retaining wall buried and back filled as proposed in the Fieldstone
�roposal were attempted, what would be the risks to Mabury Ranch as
a torrent of water after time exposes the concrete careens into the
Northern Bank. For every action there is a reaction. Did you see the
damage to Green River Golf area after years of no problems when it
flooded some years ago? It is not a matter of will a flood occur it is a
matter of when will it occur? If no full and proper mitigation is possible
who will guarantee the Insurance of these properties? Will Milan be
required to post bonds? Will the City indemnify the home buyers
because It decided it was more knowledgeable than all the experts who
have studied hydrology and geology and the Government studies that
indicate flood plains, flood zones and dam inundation areas? This site
has all 3 strikes against it on those items alone. Add the methane and
toxins plus whatever other toxic, greenhouse and noxious gasses, the
woefully inadequate Egress, violating Spot zoning laws, and violating
the trust of 3 or 4 County and City Plans for the Area with an improper
development that is not in character with the surrounding communities 60.2
�nd it seriously looks like it is time to STOP... and Start Over. �°nt
There is a serious problem with the proposed Senior Units. The
designation Senior is nice if you want to say there will not be 10,000
more car trips as they will be too heavily sedated to drive. The fact is
the approval will be for Multi Family Zoning and thus should have
parking, egress and air pollution consideration for how many average
people could occupy those 265 units. At 3 persons per unit that would
put 795 people in the multi family units alone. That would raise the 395
units to between 1200 and 1400 bodies with maybe 1000 vehicles with
at least some teen drivers. Egress? The place will look like the 55
Freeway at rush hour in the morning and evening peak periods. Now
how do all those vehicles merge with the 4,000 homes with 12,000
vehicles and 50,000 trips per day that Santiago Hills Phase II is already
approved for? Why is there no study of and mitigation for the
compilation of impacts that this potential and already approved projects
will have on the quality of life? The air, water, power and ecological
�mpacts of the Whole needs to be considered for real planning. How
many PCBs, how much hydro-carbon and other pollutants will run from
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the storm drains to the Santiago, to the Santa Ana and into Bond Pit?
How much in overflow will run to the Pacific? What are the multipliers in
damage to our local drinking water and pollution of our coastal
wetlands? What would 500 kids in the area require of our school
system?
One expects that all the mineral resources were stripped away
before the previous owners sold of the property. What about the Water
and habitat. The 'protection' offered by giving the Trojan Horse of Creek
responsibility and Maintenance to any qualified agency willing to
accept it is really in question. people will Give You Their Problems one
old horse trader once taught me.....what you do is give that horse, car
or piece of property a bath or a coat of paint and some other tweeks
and then Sell it and move on. Is the City going to be Responsible to the
future buyers of this property for the Zoning it gave with out real and
proper Ecological, Geological, Hydrological, Inundation, Ground, Air
and Water Pollution from both an existing Closed Toxic Landfill with
methane leaking and no one knows what else just upwind from the
proposed site, the illegal dump sites at the property itself, the
decimation of habitat and potential run off from vehicles not properly
accounted for in the DEIR to the Nexus of the impacts from 4000
already approved units to the East?
What will be the expense to Orange for the traffic? What about
Police, Fire and Paramedics? On the one hand having had a couple
elder family members in local Senior 'homes' I know first hand that
Paramedics with the attendant Fire truck entourage were frequent
visitors to the 160 bed unit we had family at. Do you know that
according to LAFD stats, over 80% of Fire Department responses are
Paramedic calls. How does that statistic jump with the Senior Facility?
Is this the burden of the Citizens of Orange or the people making a 60.3
profit from these types of projects or running them for profit? Hotels pay
a bed tax in most cases what is the policy on these Senior Units? If the
units become basic multi family units without the Senior tag, HOW DO
ALL THE IMPACTS CHANGE? The fact that multi family units would
be spot zoning, not fit the nature and character or aesthetics of the
surrounding area aside...how would the pollution, traffic, egress, health,
safety, biological, geological, hydrological, air quality, water quality,
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dam inundation, noise, population, Police and Fire.Paramedic costs,
Population, Recreation, utilities and Service System be changed,
�Itered, taxed, or different? What does this proposal take from the
Quality of Life, the peaceful enjoyment of one's property, the
Communities of East Orange? And since almost nothing is mitigated in
this seriously deficient DEIR is there anything Orange gets from this
proposal other than drain on its Police and Fire Departments, ecological
havoc, pollution, traffic, and numerous risks to life limb and property?
On existing Plans that are in Place that include the Sully Miller
Hanson now Rio property over 56 acres of the proposed development
property sits within the OPA Plan area. Those acres include all the area
slated for housing on the East of B St as well as the 'Senior' planned
multi family units on the South West of B Street area. This Plan has
been in place since 1973, was created by the City, County and
Residents in Co-operation and limits to 1 Acre lots any subdivision. The
site was designated Resource/Open Space however, if developed
under the OPA Plan the 1 Acre Lot Minimum is required. Trashing that
Plan and undoing the 1 Acre designation is a dangerous precedent. It
obs the existing Communities of value and trust in the covenants and
agreements that hold our Cities together. This may not have been
understood and considered fully in the past dealings with this property so.4
but it needs full consideration Now. If the OPA Plan is Extinguished for
the benefit of the holder of 50 acres how is that not the Right of every
property owner currently under the Plan? Does 5 acres of ownership
allow withdrawal from the a Community Plan or is 1 acre sufficient?
What is and where is equal Protection Under The Law? If Milan can
remove its 50 acres from the Community Plan then ALL PROPERTY
OWNERS, WITH EQUAL RIGHTS UNDER THE LAW, MUST HAVE
THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR AND IF GRANTED TO MILAN BE
GRANTED ZONE CHANGES COMMENSURATE WITH WHAT IS
BEING GRANTED IN THIS REQUEST. This sets a precedent for for
serious damage to some of Orange's 'protected' Communities. If by
buying a City block and being granted zoning and approvals a quadrant
of Downtown Orange could be transformed form Orange, to High Rise
�A without consideration of General, Community and Specific Plans by
just asking and receiving exemption or nullification of the Plan for that
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section of the property, where are the Rights of those who live under
the plan. Where is the equality? Why have a General Plan, Community
or Specific Plan if it only requires X amount of dollars by a handful of
investors to extinguish and decimate the Covenants, Agreements, and
Community that hold thousands of people for many decades in a
Community? And again, if one individual or group is granted these
changes, under the LAW, All deserve equal consideration, benefit and
zoning changes. If these existing Plans are ignored for the benefit of 60.4
this developer how is it not immediately applicable that every landowner �ont.
has a commensurate zone change and upgrade to multi-family or
commercial use if they so desire. With the Spot Zoning asked for how is
it that my neighbor cannot next week join with some such developer
scheme and open a new South Coast Plaza in the heart of Orange
Park Acres? Theoretically the City with it's General Plan, good planners
and wise Council holding the line on development in the City woutd
uphold the vision of the People of Orange. That vision is in the General
Plan, the Community Plans and the hearts and minds of the people
who live in Orange. Is it only a matter of dollars to trump all that? I do
not believe the recent Referendum, Ballot and court battles over Zoning
indicate that the people of Orange are behind the current Development
mood. When will the Voters of Orange be heard and actually listened
to?
What are the current impacts from the Toll Roads on Chapman and
Santiago Canyon through Villa Park Road to Katella? How many
people avoid tolls by running through our Community in the East to
catch Cannon to cut over to Anaheim or shave some time off the 55
drive to Corona and beyond? I have stood at B Street and Santiago at
peak traffic periods many, many times and seen the back ups that 60.5
occur at Cannon from both directions. I see the NO Turn signs into Villa
Park from Cannon to ward off the faint of heart. I understand These are
Public Roads. However the impacts that are coming with the 4,000
units in Santiago Hills phase II have not be factored in. Where is the
real data as to what the impacts of the current recession era traffic will
be with East Orange completed and the real potentials for the proposed.
Rio development? Is it possible to say that traffic impacts cannot be
fully or properly mitigated and therefore the project just gets a
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PASS? The truth is this project will impinge on existing traffic hugely.
Cannon will become a constipated mess. Villa Park will be over run with
~�eople seeking shortcuts. Orange Park Blvd and Newport will become
super hi-way connections at great risk to residents and animals.
Closure of Orange Park Blvd at Frank St should be considered. If you
have ever witnessed Orange Park Blvd when Santiago Canyon traffic
was diverted due to an accident at Dead Man's Curve you would have
some idea of potential for disaster. add to that peak traffic, Salem
School traffic, 4,000 times 2.5 vehicles per unit and now Rio. How is the
existing system going to handle it on a day to day basis. What
about extreme circumstances? How will Fire and Rescue vehicles and
operations be able to do their job in an actual emergency? How many
people will suffer or die and who would be responsible? How will the
asked for Development mitigate, pay for and indemnify the Citizens of
the surrounding communities and City for the impacts of their project.
The Nexus exists, they are situated in the heart of the problem are that
will only grow as the Irvine Company actuates its already approved 60.5
plans to the East. What are the real impacts of the actual number of ���t.
.rips that will be generated by the proposed project? What road
improvements will be required at what cost to the developer? What
community protections will be created? As with the mandatory Left turn
at Taft to Tustin Ave will Orange Park, Jamestown, Meads, Amapola
and other key neighborhoods be protected? How will the health. safety
and welfare of the tens of thousands of existing residents be provided
and even upgraded in the face of these impacts for the benefit of the
developers?
Come down to Orange Park Blvd at Santiago when Salem is in
session at the start of the daily session. Monitor the traffic North and
South on Orange Park, East and west on Santiago. Have a near death
experience or two and then add Santiago phase II and only Then
extrapolate with Real estimate of the potential for multi family dwellings
which is the truth of the Senior Units sans seniors and all the other
home and 'recreational' stuffed into this site and do the math....lf it does
not fit, you must flush it. This project does not fit the area, aesthetics, it
,�equires spot zoning, has huge risks due to the adjacent landfill, private
dumping that went on at the site, potential ground, water and air toxins,
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proximity to habitat that needs protection, native peoples sites that were
decimated during countless years of violation and exploitation, serious
unresolvable egress issues, strains of local roads and neighborhoods,
over building, little or no mitigation, flood and dam inundation risk,
pollution of a protected creek and human water reservoir, pollution that
runs to the Pacific, huge drain on water, power and other community
resources which are in short supply, extreme impacts for Paramedics
and local medical resources and more. All of that agter just being a
project that just does not fit the hole they are trying to shove it into.
The most logical action would be to tell the developer to go back
and design a project that fits the existing plans and zoning for the
property. Since they have the right to run the course first, the next step
appears to be for the City to involve Native's Peoples Advocacy
Agencies, Army Corps of Engineers, Wildlife, Fish and Game, Coastal
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Commission (Santiago flows to the Coast and impacts the wetlands),
County, State and Federal Ground, Water, and Air Quality Agencies,
State and Federal Mining Agencies, County, State and Federal Landfill
Oversight Agencies, Dam Oversight Agencies, Flood Control agencies,
Superfund Clean Up Agencies, any Waterways Agencies, and figure
out what the real risks and potentials are for the limited resources huge
liabilities that exist on this property and the adjacent landfill and Bond
Pit Recharge Station. Once you know where you really ARE, an actual
CEQA, Environmental Impact Report for the property could be done.
Another point as to Resources. This Property represents one of
the last Open Space designated acreages of its size left in Orange
which is seriously short of its Parks Space per Citizen. As Mitigation
property for development in a more appropriate area of the City or as a
private pay to play operation with City involvement/participation this
property should be seriously considered for acquisition by the City or in
partnership with the County or some other entity. This touches on a
questionable section in this questionable DEIR. A Private, Public Park 60
scenario is expressed. This same developer destroyed a Private, Public
Park called Ridgeline in its path to development here in Orange. What
protections would this NEW, Private, Public Park have when this or any
future developer decided that killing the 'Park' would better serve them
financially? This is amazing doublespeak and needs to be openly and
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honestly dealt with. What next? The city will pay for upgrades to a
private park? This is a seriously strange position that needs to be
;larified, categorized and legally spelled out. It is vague and misleading
and contradicts the stance of Milan on the value of Ridgeline to the
community and Orange. Seeing the connection here begs the question
of a comprehensive cohesive paln for the 2 properties which Milan
controls but maintains the stance that they are separate thus avoiding 60.�
the joint impacts to East Orange. The potential impacts of both �o�t.
development affect waterways, air and ground pollution impacts streets
and roads that are shared and therefore there is a nexus between the
2. The City may not be able to completely join the projects but due to
the over riding impacts for the same Streets, communities, roads, major
arterials, schools, Police and Fire the City has a responsibility to
consider overall impact of the 2 projects and multiply them by the
impacts already set in stone with the Irvine Company's approvals.
Nothing at Rio should be considered without the connection to and
impacts of a development of Ridgeline and neither of these 2 should
not approved without being scrutinized against the already agreed but
�s yet not material Santiago Hills Phase II impacts. How much easier is
it to take the time and extra steps in Planning taking into account the
reality of the developments that are on the table and properly mitigate
or deny projects than to have to try to undo the results when
construction is done?
The pages below address some of the available information on
current Landfill 'think'. All the pages and all the links if fully opened in
this e-mail would not transmit so it will be necessary to open links and
copy pages to get the full information that is intended in my concerns
on this DEIR.
Thank you,
Charles Leffler
10693 Orange Park BI
Orange, Ca. 92869
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